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Even if we take a moment to set aside the fact that AVP and AVPR are terrible films, I still don't like the creature element in each one. For my money the problem stems from Cameron's A L I E N S. The addition of the Queen really removed all the mystery from the Alien and sort of spoiled it a bit (I should point out: I still think Aliens is a great film to watch). In A L I E N the Alien was such a mystery and we had so many questions to ask; what the hell is it? A reptile? An insect? How did it get here? Where did the eggs come from? Its life cycle was horrific yet incomplete, and we had no idea what it was aiming to do. (The egg-transformation scene in the directors cut was especially eerie and distressing). In A L I E N S the Alien was reduced to a "bug". Thats it; a bug. The Queen lays eggs, they hatch, the Aliens swarm. There are plenty! Here; why not shoot some with this pulse rifle! ...That's just...mundane to me, too pedestrian, too un-original. Back to AVP & AVPR... I think there was no benefit adding extra creatures to the life cycle. The Predalien was just added as a set piece, simply because nothing else interesting was happening in the film.

Granted AVP and AVPR weren't executed at all very well, but their ideas, especially regards "Princess" solved issues from Aliens. Regards the bug idea, I agree... to a point. Yet me elaborate, Some people think there may be an Alien homeworld, whereas I don't. If the Alien was an indigenous creature on some planet it would have wiped out all suitable hosts on their homeworld. Upon using up all viable hosts the Aliens would have died, and in time too their eggs. This is why I believe the Alien is a creation of the Space jockeys, the question is why, and there is the mystery. Are they a weapon, a tool, a security force, an army? The mystery is still there, we just need to look and think harder to realise it.

Still remember that the "intellectual" property of alien is of Ridley scott and Giger .. im not talking about a law standpoint ( the FOX hold all the rights ) , im not interested in that , im talking about who is "morally" the owner . So if ridley scott want to change everything ( who are the aliens , how they evolve etc )and relate only to Alien i think he have the moral power to do that ...and everyone who dont like that can ignore the movie ( intellectual freedom ) .

Totally agree Mentos,couldnt have said it better myself Snork-I agree that i think the aliens were created and therefore dont have a homeworld at all. Yeah ,their true purpose still remains a mystery, im in favour of it been a planetcleanser/available weapon (if needed)

I was under the impression that the "intellectual property" of the alien and all associated with it was held by Giler, Carroll and Hill - Brandywine Productions, purchased from the late great Dan O'bannon and Ronald Shussett. If the property was Scotts and Gigers Aliens-AVPR would not have been possible with both their say so, and we know that is not true because the last time Giger was truly involved was Alien, and Scott had no involvement in any of the sequels or crossovers. That said I seriously doubt Scott will change anything, after all Prometheus is being billed as a seperate story set in the same universe that links to Alien, but is not an Alien film

Thadus, I agree with the theory, in fact I envision the Alien as means to create an artificial extinction event, to encourage a leap in evolution from the surviving lifeforms on a planet, leading to the eventual evolution of intelligent life.

i think that an intellectual property is of who put things to work and make if famous ... without Ridley Scott and Giger all the alien thing can be total different ...was the art of Giger that gave the unique look and the maestry of Scott to put in on the screen . You talk about what the law say ...im talking about what eyes and heart should say .

Sentimentality in other words. Yes it was Giger and Scott that gave us the film, based on a script by Brandywine, which was manipulated many times from O'Bannons original script and screenplay. Scott has always reverred his achievements in Alien, but has also stated that there were missed opportunites that he never got to explore, that was the birth and IMO what Prometheus is. But thats not what I'm taking about here, The "Princess" idea in AVPR solves the problems of the Queen and solves and explains the existence of two types of xeno - Warrior (ridged head) and Drone (smooth head).

Artificial extinction is a viable theory and could also suggest the Space Jockies have their own agendas in mind, destroying all natural lifeforms Yeah the Alien creature was gigers/scotts baby. Remember Giger wanted to totally redesign the creature for Alien until Ridley stepped in. Legally speaking tho,20th century Fox hold all the rights to the franchise.Its only now the shit has hit the fan,so to speak,that they have gone on bended knees to Ridley/Giger to rejuvenate the franchise

This is how I view the theory I mentioned... Space Jockeys are ancient, very ancient. Venturing into space they expect and abundance of intelligent life but find very little. Using their genetic know how they create a substance, an artificial primordial soup that will generate life when coming into contact with any substance (say water on primeval earth). Then, learning that Intelligent life usually forms on a planet that faces multiple extinction events (forcing evolution to adapt and mutate) they develop the perfect means to achieve such events artificially - the xeno.

so and so perfect ...one xeno was beaten by a woman and a cat . :D and without a gun ( yes she shoot with an harpoon but a book would have obtained the same results ) ... i wonder one tank what could do :p ... i think if they were so advanced a virus would have been a much faster and lethal choice ... Maybe then in Prometheus we will see How the "classic" aliens are born ...if as a weapon or for an error or horrible dna mix or vicious experiments

I know they(Brandywine) re-wrote it but at the end of the day wasnt the shooting script Dans?...Based on the story by him and Ron...On a side note they(Brandywine) again were crafty buggers when it came to getting money from a partial written script by cameron....Im not a fan of the three of em I must say. But they did get the ball going...

@ Frantz, If you are refering to the theory I just put up the context states it is against wildlife, not intelligent life. My theory proposes that the xeno was used against wildlife to create extinction events to encourage the development of intelligent life. Thus, maybe it is possible that the Space Jockeys never intended to use them against intelligent lifeforms, and therefore were unsure how effective they would be. @ Marty, then milked it for every penny, just look at the interference they caused in Alien 3, causing Fincher to disown it.

I agree with Mentos in that Aliens (sequel to Alien) removed most of the mystery behind the creature. What's funny is the predator franchise had this same exact problem, where predator 2 removed most of the originals mysteries. It just didn't seem logical to me that the entire race of the so called predators would be hunters, to me the creature in the first film was just some rouge of his species looking for a good time. To think that all of them were just alike is really boring and completely uninteresting. Adding the queen to the alien franchise was a bad move in my opinion, the creature in "Alien" seemed really organic at the start but became more mechanical later, as if it were adapting to its climate (the ship). This opens up way more possibilities and more interesting subjects. I don't have a problem with the two franchises colliding with each other, I have a problem with their individual sequels.

Thus as I've said AVP and AVPR were essentially damage control, just a shame they weren't better executed.

I would be a purest when it comes to Alien movies. I would totally disregard the AVP movies and what they introduced to the series. I dont believe they will be at all linked with Prometheus. Scott will keep it low key just like the original. We all seem to assume the jockeys are some kind of super being. But where is the evident? All we know is they drive an impressive space ship and are huge. But succumb to the Alien also. My bet is that they are the creators of the Alien. Such a creature could not have a home planet unless there were other forms of life on it bigger and more aggressive or populated with beings which could live with it. The Alien is a thoroughbred and I bet has a very short life hence it's aggressiveness. But I just can see Scott delving into princesses etc.

People still stumped on this one?

don't get it

You can't make a Xeno omlette without breaking a few facehugger eggs.

how many face hugger eggs did they break on set? at a guess 2?

"Tweleeeve" was my best guess!

You are very close Spartacus. Here's another clue, 130 eggs were made for the set of the derelict.

10

Eleven Eleven x 12 = 132

Snorlebottom You got it right! & I just relaised why/how!!! The question was how many bakers dozens does it take to make a Xeno Omlette There were 130 Eggs in that hive. a bakers down is 13 10 x 13 =130 The answer was/is 10, you are 100% correct and I say this with confidence. "EP", is not around right now so go ahead and ask another question, with a picture if you can to jazz it up a bit for fun...if it turns out I am wrong I will subtract 5 points from my own total, and we'll return control to "EP" at that time but I can pretty much assure you that you got it dead bang on the money so let's get this party started again !!!

Okay, the picture will be posted with the answer as proof of point... In James Cameron's Aliens there is a discrepency that foreshadows one of the movies seen later in the franchise. What is it?

Alien Queens egg sack

Spot on Spartacus! Snorklebottom has the con!

@ Thadus12 - Nope @EP - thanks man.

wow awesome question... The discrepancy is -> Ripley's maternity leave takes place only 2 years prior to Alien. According to Aliens, her daughter was approaching 11 years old at the time of her arrival post-Nostromo. Weaver was 29 when cast in Alien, and Ripley brought aboard the Nostromo at the age of 28. Her child, if 10, would have been born when Ripley was 18/19, around the time Ripley attends college/university, and not a couple years before Alien. The only way to resolve this error is to assume that her child's birth is off-record, with maternity leave being taken to spend time with her daughter between missions. This could equally explain the successful lawsuit against Weyland Yutani, considering that Ripley was a single parent, continously absent due to work. It also further explains the need for Ripley to promise her attendance at her daughter's birthday. In James Cameron's initial treatment of Aliens, Ripley's daughter still lives, albeit elderly and bitter at Ripley's 'abandonment' of her. The two are never reconciled.

interesting sparky, but wrong.

Ok I got it now I think, It has been brought to all of our attention that it is believed that when a face hugger attaches it self to a being and gestates, it will come off and then die after it was done doing its thing only once. This was established in both Alien & Aliens. Well in the case of alien 3, the face hugger attached itself to ripley, did its thing, and then attached itself to the dog. It gestated twice. How's that answer?

nope, there were two eggs in alien 3. sorry sparky.

Its gotta be something to do with the queen?

maybe, maybe not?

Is it something to do with Ripley was supposed to have Hicks' baby?

nope, afraid not

is it gateway station that surrounds the earth? its not in alien res

nope again.

what du mean by 'discrepancy'?