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Tiwaz You are correct that he says lots of things. I cannot site a specific interview. 

The Rapture idea sounds interesting and something RS would excel in, given his repertoire of such films.  

I don't want another movie focused on AI. I want a movie with good human characters. He is trying to make a movie that is worse than Covenant, I bet that it is what he is trying to do. Keep him away from this if it will be the AI show. Sorry for being emotional but I want to puke on the direction where they are going, someone stop him please.

Who can see themselves in an AI? I can't, that is why it is important to have sympathetic human characters.

He did, dk? Must've missed that one. On the other hand I started ignoring Ridley's "lost plots" since he says a lot of "things" when the day is long. TBH I just hope this is just another blackout...

I mean this called ALIEN not TERMINATOR IN SPACE. What comes next, Schwarzenegger in a wheelchair, throwing toothpicks at a queen while shouting "I'll be buck!"?

MonsterZero i respectfully disagree about the beast being cooked. The classic "drone" might be a bit overdone, but the introduction of the Deacon and Neomorphs add a whole new dimension and layer to the Morph dynamics.

It just needs some imagination and a little understanding of ecosystem trophic cascades to open a whole new level of horror and threat from the beast :) 

RS didn't do the beast any favours with that lacklustre climax on the Covenant though 

Congratulations and well done on publishing Manticore.

Tiwaz I thought RS alluded to hundreds of Davids or Walters in an interview last winter?

Oh no, not more shit.

I would rather see a poop monster try to infect people turning them into poop monsters to erase humanity rather than seeing a whole Alien connected movie only about AI. He is really trying to sink the whole franchise with the AI crap.

No chance that I would support that. That idea sucks so F it.

Someone should tell him to handle the visuals and stop interfering with the story. Understand that there are people (other then me yes) that don't like the focus of David at least try to balance it and not make it into a AI crap show.

That is pretty abstract for me and so I could not say that you are wrong. It appears as an equation with your own terms as variables.

To me, it seems rules can still be broken- maybe not as much now since we are pretty jaded. 

Sure. An idea isn't physical, and a movie is physical. The movie encompasses ideas, which means that a rule has been broken; if just one idea was the case, no rule would be broken.

Alien Covenant = rule-breaker

idea = prerequisite for standard

The rule-breaker is without choice, as it's not possible for a movie to encompass just one idea. Therefore the rule-breaking is a fallacy, making the fallacy an inevitable value

Rule-breaking = fallacy/need of copy

Prerequisite of standard = fallacy/need of copy

The need to copy is simultaneously wrong and inevitable. If Alien Covenant is the symmetry of falsehood as a difference, that would mean its ideas are the same difference of value. 

The ideas within Alien Covenant are values that are the same yet can behave differently 

Please elaborate. I don't know what you mean.

Bring it on! The AI direction could be very interesting.

Hehe A whole movie with only Fassbender-Droids. lol XD

I have no problem with the A.I. direction.

Xeno's are cooked and not really 'evil'...just scary bugs. Jump scare monsters.

Don't really want the stumbling bumbling Weyland corp sending Space truckers or small families to secure the 'Perfect organism!' as a driving plot..that's been done........(You'd think a trillion dollar company can secure and find their own perfect organism/xeno...not rely on luck)

Well good luck Sir Scott. You could have only one actor ... 

An AI Xeno.......I wonder how that might work...

PEREZ: (To himself) A military strike... Christ Jesus...

*facepalms*

You're very welcome!!!

Thank-you in-kind also!!! :D

Congratulations and thank you! 

I would be ok with that.

Except that Santa is dead- tomb was recently found in Turkey. The impact would be lesser with that knowledge.

(Perez finds a wounded lieutenant)

Perez- Status!

Lieutenant- Containment is impossible sir...I think they swept the barracks.

As for the 'engineer homeworld' question, I've found another interesting comment by Matt Hatton:

'Another after/before, going from Giger's babyhead landscape to an Engineer version. Swipe to see original!'

'I guess we only saw a couple in Prommy (and they were played by the same guy). But remember the alternate opening (which I like better)? With the other engineers? They were all dressed in burlap and there was the old dude too... I know some people out there think the ones in A:C must be an entirely different race. That's a pretty extreme reaction I think!'

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVsAzmSldPo/?taken-by=matthatt0n

Thanks for the comments, awesome ideas!

It can be claimed that the notes of the David's Lab videos seem to be contradictory:

'the mind that reverse engineered the superior lifeform'

'The synthetic. The creator.'

'he takes the legacy of the Engineers, and their home world, and uses their knowledge'

'David succeeds - the Xenomorph is born'

'ALIEN: COVENANT is much more than a prequel to Ellen Ripley’s ALIEN. It is the origin story.'

I believe the ambiguity is intentional, let's look at Matt Hatton's words from his instagram page again:

'Yep great guess and I absolutely did the flora stuff intentionally making a bridge not just between the native life and Giger shape language but also as my way of explaining the discrepancy between the different aesthetics we've seen and giving an internal logic. But also wanted to honour the ambiguity inherent in Giger's work where you have an idea but it's not spelled out literally. So it's funny the face-sucker art which was pretty ambiguous (and Ridley liked for that reason) has been taken so literally as not just rebreathing prototype but insemination = eggs from Shaw. A lot of people are being reductive and very literal and yes I like the idea but I like it thematically. Like Blade Runner it's not that Deckard is or isn't, the point is he MAY be. Metaphorically much stronger. Same here! Does that make sense? I think Ari is pretty on the money!'

The key phrase is: ambiguity!

I think there's a glaring connection between the Sacrificial Engineer, the Deacon, the Mural, and the Pathogen. What if the species that created the Pathogen were, in fact, the Deacons? It would make more sense if the Engineers - although superior to humanity - had merely stumbled upon the biotechnology, and the Deacons were in fact the Space Jockeys the whole time. The Hive Consciousness that David unlocked on Planet 4 through his experiments (they were more theocratic than scientific, however) was in fact a derivative of the Deacons which had transferred their collective consciousness via the Pathogen into organic life, and had become immortal. But, they needed a new body. A new "form" if you will, the Xenomorph. The Xenomorph is the Supreme Being, basically, of Gnostic Creation Myth - that the creator of the universe is evil, and the angels (Engineers) had been cast down for attempting to steal fire from the Gods (Deacons). And, in attempting to fallaciously 'tame' evil (just as the humans attempt to do) their technology had turned against them, the moment they used it to "grow" their ships, their experiments, and assert themselves as the new Gods. Nature came back, and seized control of the technology that they had infused themselves with, and thus - seized control of the Engineers. Now, the Engineers realize that they are being used as pawns to create hosts for the Supreme Being, the Deacons. So, basically - the Hammerpedes were Proto-Facehuggers. David has been being utilized by Weyland-Yutani, and the Engineers are the power behind the throne, so-to-speak. The Deacons, through the Engineers, recruited Weyland to unlock the signal. The Deacons of the Queen Mother are effectively cross-species royal guards, and the Xenomorphs (which includes multiple species such as Neomorphs, Hammerpedes, Protomorphs, Pathogen/Xenovirus the Trilobite, etc) are a genetic nation-state attempting to reclaim their fire.

Who agrees?

Hmm... There's one thing that bugs me, the LV-426 derelict (again). It's signal been known prior to the Prometheus mission.

It's said David reverse engineered the morphs. Ok, but why going through the hassle of reverse breeding instead of fetching a living specimen from Acheron? Did he not know there were eggs? Didn't he have the opportunity, wich is unlikely given Shaw's stasis. David had plenty of time while she was asleep. 

Were the eggs on the Derelict placed at a later point, if so by whom? It seems, on the derelict, there happened a lot more than just the Jockey being killed by a chestburster. Wich is actually suggested in A:RoP.

I'm inclined to go for the "simplest" answer. He knew the signal was there but didn't want to risk his ship and Shaw in an attempt to investigate. Or maybe he deemed it unnecessary since he was heading for "their" home world already.

I hope, we will saw the full biomehanical Alien in next movie. No more flesh aliens (excluding neomorphs - they good with flesh).

This is definitely not official official. I mean, we know Scott is back and that Logan has at least worked on (or is working on) drafts of a screenplay/story. It is also pretty much assumed Fassbender is returning and we know from Scott's comment that the Engineers may well return.

Hopefully they deliver on a wonderful, thought-provoking, horror-filled Alien, Engineer, David final adventure. 

*A guard fired wildly at the ceiling, connecting with an Alien going into a vent. The acidic blood falls and bruns through him*

*Ripley sits in her dark cell. She can hear the chaos going on. She is laughing*

*Perez is mostly dressed and awake. He bring sup the visual at the comman doncolse, but only sees smoke and hears screaming*

Perez - Ensign! Damage report! Ensign!

The David's Lab:The engineers video contains clues as to the possible story to come.  https://www.alienuniverse.com/post/engineers

It would appear to be parts of a transmission from the Covenant by David to the board of Weyland-Yutani explaining what he has done and why.

"I come to you with an olive branch" 

David wants to be left in peace to continue his experiments so is offering WY a deal?  Perhaps he offers WY xenomorph eggs? 

"However, i did discover a suprising..."

Suprising what? The goo comes from a long extinct race of aliens? and not the Engineers?

"files told of ancient ceremony" "very cruel"

Did the early Engineers use facehugging (the sketch shown at the same time suggests this) techniques to implant fellow Engineers.

"once thrived" "long since frozen over"

A non-Engineer alien world now gone? 

"given passage to timidity"

Is David talking about how the Engineer race became less cruel and more peaceful?  after a civil war long ago?

"the cost of progress"

Again, the engineers became soft and not worthy of existence?

"must be absolute" "not for the weak"

Maybe David wants WY to seek out and destroy the remants of the Engineers for him?

"If you do this, there will be no turning back"

Did WY refuse to help David destroy the Engineers? or does he mean once they agree there can be no u-turns by the company? 

"my creatures will be set loose, to rule this galaxy"

David's explicit threat to Weyland-Yutani (and humanity by implication).

@BlackGooDrinker - I agree with dk, as I never thought about it until you just mentioned it, too?  I am led to assume Weyland/Yutani have more in 'development' that we are aware of?  I wonder if these colonists are indeed clones?  Interesting observation on your part!

@chli - This sounds really good!!  My only wish is to somehow get 3 more movies instead of just one?  HAHA!!

IMHO - I am looking forward to David having a serious reality-check once the 'Real' creators i.e. 'The Engineers' show up!  Sir Ridley's suggestion that we will see a 'War of the Worlds' scenario is very appealing to me.  What is best for the Big Chap?  CHAOS!!!!

For me this just confirms what's said in recent material (https://www.alienuniverse.com/davids-lab) and Novels (A:OotS/SoS/Bughunt/RW/A:C). Maybe also A:RoP, depends on how you connect the dots.

Why not have Santa Claus Vs a giant poo while we are at it... Certain things go together and if it's done well great but some things don't and currently alien stuff is way off the mark! Now if Denis Villeneuve is directing possibly theres hope... Arrival was brilliant!

Hi !

Thanks, well definitely interesting but too promotional to be used.

Daniels is often cut with footage of the real film so not realy useable, Tenessee as in a lot of promotional stuff is too much of a joker and can't be taken seriously as a scientist and the other messages not so interesting.

I like it but not pertinent enough in my opinion; also kind of odd and forced to have this between last supper and the beginning of the movie.

If I have access to the whole footage without intercut of the film or the bad transimissions effect, could be interesting.

Thanks anyway ;)

I'm glad the Protomorph is so fleshy and the chestburster is different from the one in Alien 1979. This leaves room for more surprises in the next film.

I agree he wanted to gain her trust and get her faster into the cryosleep, but the phrase is twisted. He could have told her the same he told Lope about his wound: it's fine.

There was nothing un-kind from the crew on planet 4, however the planet was mostly un-kind to them. Because of David's doing. And David is in charge again and he intends to be the god of the new world.

Probably that size and shape that contained the embryos and the incubators were standardized for many years, not specially designed for the Covenant. Not sure if the facehuggers embryos needed the incubator, that scene was used most probably as a metaphor: a deadly predator next to the human embryos who represented the future of the mankind. Like the wolves guarding the sheep.

Why David would try to reanimate an engineer only to extract a worm that was already inside the engineer's bowels? I believe the engineer was unconscious after the worm entered his body, David found him and woke him up, not from the dead, but from unconsciousness. 

I don't believe David had with him the electrodes and stuff they used to reanimate the Engineer's head from Prometheus.