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I don't know, since apparently he never said a word about Cameron's "ALIENS", and the rest, but he was surprised to be mentioned on AvP ;)

I like the road too but it seems like people just don't want the origin or mythology building and instead a rehash of Alien 79 or worse Aliens. I love the originals but we gotta move forward. The numbers are only important to those wanting a sequel or those who are looking for 'facts' to bring the film down.

Apart from tragedies, and misfortunes, (and I'm really sorry to hear those) let's go numbers... No! Let's go release schedules.

May - most of the so called European and American countries.

Any given month - the rest of the world.

I ask, and I mean it: why was that?

Im Durp I am talking about people who don't list any positives, thay simply hate it. And they can hate it as long they are honest and not part in a campaign.

 @Lawrence of Arabia,

I agree, but some people keep on going, "Boo woo, it's not what I wanted!", and I seriously doubt if they know what they want at all...

ScorpioStar

If anything Covenant was like every Alien film thus far merged into one film. (excluding AvP of course.)

Seriously, it's not an "Alien" movie? What's an "Alien" movie? Please, be specific: That would be like, "It's not ALIEN" or "It's not ALIENS", or "It's not A3", or "It's not A:R", or, let's go for it, "It's not AVP"?

I have to say I don't know what it was felt "domestically or internationally", but I liked PROMETHEUS very much, as I liked COVENANT, ALIEN (the one and only, if it is about an "Alien movie"), and A3, for its "Alien" atmosphere. I don't think ALIENS was an Alien movie at all, it was just Cameron exterminating (Yup, I meant it) something once perfect!

daliens

Seems like you just want to read reviews you happen to agree with. As I've said everyone has different opinions(the things reviews are based on) and some could dislike David or not like the direction they see RS taking this series. 

The fact is people have problems with this movie no matter how small that may be, and they are just as justified as the people that like it and all the small details they recall back when listing its positives.

I don't hate AC, I simply dislike the film. my issues r, to me, not minor issues but big enough issues to ruin it for me. I agree many people r simply looking for problems but id say on the whole people r maybe finding little issues to moan about just for the simple reason they are soooo disappointed in what was delivered. remember on here, the weeks if not months of theorising n everyone coming up with their own ideas. to me, that has been the best part about AC. I am only speaking for myself but taking the hype and just how much I was looking forward to the film more than any other I can remember for years, the film SUCKED. id go as far to say if I wasn't such a big alien franchise film id wash my hands of the prequel series altogether. forgetting the hype and putting it to one side, its not a film I would rush to see again for many reasons

Can't wait to see more Alienverse ships turning up in the future. The Sulaco is one of my favorites, then it's the Prometheus, then the UD-L4 Cheyenne Dropship, then the Covenant, then the Juggernaut/Derelict, then the Nostromo, (insert Alienverse EU ships), then the Auriga.

The Conestoga-class Sulaco is one of my favorites, then it's the USCSS Prometheus , then the UD-L4 Cheyenne Dropship , then the USCSS Covenant , then the Juggernaut/Derelict , then the USCSS Nostromo , (insert Alienverse EU ships), then the Auriga and Betty.

People hate A:C (for the most part) and the David storyline because of what it does to the lore and not so much the execution. People don't like that he created the Xenomorph and are now looking for any minor criticism to make into a mountain. 

I was disappointed.  When Ripley featured in the franchise, it was about her struggle to survive and beat the unbeatable.  Alien 3 broke a rule.  It began with the premise that the prior film was of no consequence and it did that by telling us that Ripley's quest to save Bishop, the girl, and the soldier had failed as a kind of BTW.  The second release was a necessary improvement.

However, again mistakes of narrative were made in Covenant.  Since the days of Ripley, in every Alien film everyone dies.  This instills in the audience the expectation that everyone will die which made Prometheus a welcome change.  But again we get the "Oh yeah, Shaw died." as if her living or dying was not worthy of drama.  And then, we get the well-worn and tired Dues Ex Machina of mistaken identity.  The moment David/Walter appeared back at the ship I thought, "Don't do it Ridley" but the fact that we didn't see the end of the fight between them or who prevailed...  Yeah, the fix was in and we were going to get the same old switcheroo that got tired in Giligan's Island.  And, we are back to everyone dies in an Alien film. 

Great work. Thank Dark Nebula.

I agree IRaptus.

"I'm still convinced that the suit is just the Engineer mutated with the black goo in a controlled enough way that it changes them the way they want to be."

I am leaning towards what you wrote above drucea. 

David 8 may have been able to use a genomic design harnessed from the aspects of the Engineer suits (skin mutation) to construct the biomechanical xenomorph.

Building on that, yes, I believe the Engineer suits were either grown on the Engineer skin or the Engineer was designed with the mutation "on" his skin that makes up the "suit".

The pressure suit in the above hologram (and below in Fifield's feed and the Engineer pilot images) is a separate layer from the Engineer suit/skin.

personally I love RS and I think David has been the saviour in both movies from a character stand point. id love to see RS get stuck into 2 more prequels to tie us into alien. I love alien, aliens and Prometheus. I like alien3 and AR. I have them all on dvd and I have the 9 disc quadrilogy box set that is the pride and joy of my collection. I have seen AC a couple of times now and I WONT be buying the dvd or BR. my opinion of the movie just hasn't changed. maybe in the future but for now I m sorry, but I wont be spending more money on it as I simply cant justify the cost. I don't like the film. visually stunning, Fassbender again brilliant and I loved the creatures. but the nagatives just ruin it for me too much. I hope the next instalment gets the budget it deserves to give the fans the epic we deserve so fingers crossed.

Im Durp when I read a review I like to learn something about the movie, information, fair analysis like in Chris' review after the world premiere.  Or a review written by Michele Jonston, just to name two honest reviewer from this forum.

I said many times that AC is not the perfect movie and I was myself critic with some issues. But to read all that nonsense from people who hate David (?) or Ridley Scott, that I cannot do.

This below is more of the Dane Hallett images (amazing, tearfully breathtaking) that Ati introduced me to Davefried81.

This mutation above appears to show aspects of a neomorph (upper right) and Engineer infant (upper left), both facing away from each other.

In David's Illustrations, he wrote of refining the rib cage in regards to internal organs and the internal ribbing and lateral ridge bone structure (below). The mutation above looks a little like "Frankie" in a mutation in an attempt to refine the "head" of the organism.

Frankie looks like the start of the xeno skull!

That is awesome news Ati.

I believe the organism is "Frankie" from "David Illustrations" on the Blue-Ray.

I was like "This is awesome!", and then realized the queen...this is bad

It would be better if the Deacon mural was on its place

daliens

I'm not sure your point tbh. If you don't see a movie by its rating why do you care that some people didn't like it and wrote reviews for it? It doesn't effect how you see the movie anyway.

If you're just saying you don't think people should write bad reviews then that kind of defeats the purpose. Every movie would just have 100%'s on every site and there would be no other opinion, and that kind of defeats the purpose of discussion and creates and echochamber of positives.

I think you're throwing too much of yourself out and treating that as a standard. Even if you don't write negative reviews for movies you don't like some people do, obviously a large number, and I think it's fair to say you should take their opinions in just as much as the positive ones.

Im Durp I cannot wait 40 minutes for a movie to get better, I don't see movies based on ratings either. Even if I watch a movie I don't like until the end, I don't write a negative review about it. And AC has so many of them, just browse the first pages of the review section from Imdb if you have some time to waste.

red0guy@gmail.com you better be honest.

I couldnt find the Oram death gif so instead here is everyone's little buddy Chesty McBurster

daliens

How do you know a movie will leave you with nothing before you see it. Also as I said people wait because they want the movie to get better. There are plenty of movies that take about 40 minutes-1 hour to really get started then you have a great time. And with ticket prices what they are people want to see the thing all the way. As I said a movie has to be a special type of awful to actually make a decent amount of people leave.

I probably won't go out of my way to see the Mummy again, just the same as I won't go out of my way to watch A:C again. I found both of them fine, enjoyable enough to give a chance. If I see them on tv or something I might watch them.

No I didn't write a negative review because the movie didn't leave me feeling any way(negative or positive) about it that made me want to give my opinion on it. It was an average movie I saw it and I was done. Some people write reviews though. If they really like it they'll write positive reviews and if they don't it will be negative, it just so happens the reviews you read were negative.

red0guy@gmail.com

I am not sure we saw the same movie.

daliens

Art is supposed to produce emotion so a reviewer must say what he felt about it and what he understood it meant, etc. Art criticism is not objective. That works only in theory for technical stuff. 

Ati 60km, that madness!! 

Definitely compensating for something ;-) 

joylitt I stopped long ago writing negative things about Aliens because it's no fun and it hurts other people feelings. I never wrote a review for AC and I believe reviews should be as much as possible objective.

Im Durp I would not compare the Mummy with Alien Covenant. And I would not go to see a movie that leaves me with nothing. You hear that, nothing. Going to every movie and sitting there until it's over only to build up your hate for a review, that I cannot understand. 

How many times will you see the Mummy?

Did you write a negative review for AC?

daliens

Well, I am one of them but I don't know anybody else you commented on the movie. I truly despise it because I like Prometheus and the directions it was taken. I recognize that writing here is note completely healthy.

Judging the distribution of the Imdb grades as a Gaussian sample distribution (which it is for 150k+ reviewers) the number of 1s (2.9%) should be somewhere below 1.7% the number of 2s.  The difference of 1% to 1.5% (1500-200) more 1s for me is not very conclusive. This phenomenon appears also with Prometheus with 1.4% 2s and 2.2% 1s, the difference between real and expected is say 1% or 5000 reviews. Saying this, against Prometehus could be argued that there was a bigger hate campaign.

If you want a true hate campaign, look at death note, there 21.6 % of the 41k ratings are 1s, as opposed to the 8% of 2s. 

Ps. Everyone was the right to enjoy whatever movie they want as long as the movies obeys the laws (so no Nazi propaganda or child pedophilia ).

Im Durp You are right. Most of the times the truth prevails. Consider all the hate movies like "Get out" get (from people who happen to be racist) or "It" (from people who wanted to boycott Stephen King). And yet those movies maintain a high score because they are good. There is a reason why Alien Covenant received a lukewarm response from the fanbase and a good share of hate from people who honestly disliked the movie.

daliens the 2.9 One star votes ratio from Alien Covenant is not much higher than the 2.3 from The Force Awakens. And yet that film's score is 8.1, while Alien Covenant's is 6.5. Therefore, the 1 stars are not the the only problem. Mother! has a whopping 17.1 One star ratio and yet the average sits at 6.8. That means Alien Covenant did not get enough love from the fanbase to make up for the low ratings. The part of the audience that is really passionate about the David storyline is maybe 5%.

I don't get this type of movie goer who pays for the ticket, then regrets the waste of money, who waits until the end then regrets the waste of time 

Do you leave a movie the second it does something you don't like? If so I'll clarify that MOST moviegoers will watch a movie they paid for all the way through if only hoping it will get better as it goes on, or think it's a waste to walk out completely. If the reviews had said it was so bad they walked out, then you would just criticize them for not giving the whole movie a chance.

If people don't like a movie they say it. It's not so secret conspiracy that everyone is against A:C and secretly got together before the movie came out and just said, "hate on it and don't like it just because." That doesn't happen, in fact that's never happened. If a movie is good typically the reviews say so. You don't always have to agree with the public opinion of a movie, but you still have to acknowledge what it is.

I had a fun enough time watching the new Mummy movie. It's getting terrible reviews, across the board, is it just popular to hate on the new Mummy? No, people just didn't like it. Same goes for A:C(except its average scores are much higher indicating more people liked it)

red0guy@gmail.com

Can you explain how come a movie with a 6.5 rating on Imdb has so many 1 star rating negative reviews? For me it looks like a trolling campaign, I can't believe those movie goers found nothing worthy of a film and still waste their precious time to write down their negative feelings. I believe, forgive me if I'm wrong, you are one of them, so maybe you can clarify what drives you into this. Are you an Alien fan who cares about the future of the franchise? 

Kethol I did not mean the average rating but the pages and pages of negative reviews and suggestions / recommendations to avoid the film.

Even on the film page from Imdb the review is titled "2 hours of my life I'm never getting back" written by someone with a very meaningful life but who waited until the end of the movie or at least saw 2 hours of it and got bored to death. 

I don't get this type of movie goer who pays for the ticket, then regrets the waste of money, who waits until the end then regrets the waste of time only to waste more time to write a negative review. Like he was not allowed to leave the theater if the movie was not what he expected it to be?

There are so many reviews of these type. Is it a trend, does it happen with other movies too, is it fashionable to be a badass reviewer? 

red0guy@gmail.com oh alright. Anyway, Japan cannot save Alien Covenant. It's already like

I hope the ending is somewhat remaining mysterious but also flow well into the 1979 Alien film. I personally against a direct explanation of Space Jockey because it may take away the imagination. What is great about the first half of Alien is exactly its unresolved atmosphere, so some little clues mentioned in Awakening would be nice, but not with a complete explanation. 

On the other hand I always feel the character Ash can be a great way to connect both final prequel and the original. And a little cameo of Jonesy doesn't hurt  :p

joylitt

The wide release is only on the 3rd of November. what you said there is only it's run during The Down Town Taito International Comedy Film Festival

Hi Sherris,

I bought the £19.99p 4K Ultra HD version and it does not include Advent and on the HMV website the steel book has the same menu as my copy. In addition it does not include the Crossing.

To go for the luxury high end output and not include either may or may not be a comment on David as the unreliable narrator. If you were not a member of this site or one of the other fan sites but simply went to the movie (the majority) it would suggest for that majority neither of those elements are part of the story or considered an important contribution IF Fox make the next film. 

For me when David narrates in the film to Walter in the garden you can just feel the cut that Pietro referred to earlier this year. However when you then move to the sub pornographic fantasy drawings and the reveal of her cadaver thats the point where the movie indeed the entire series moves from engagement to a clinical study of a robot who will do anything say anything and none of it mean anything so the absence of both the Crossing and Advent is an interesting comment on the story values and character narrative that is holding the entire story together now.