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Agreed on Sir Ridley and David Fincher!

Danny Boyle's Sunshine is one my favourites too as are George Miller's Mad Max films

ScorpioStar - 'I am a Sir Ridley person, although I love David Fincher as well'

As I stated in the previous topic started by you, we visit the same club. :)

IRaptus - 'Definitely compensating for something ;-)'

Ha! Perhaps his face. :D

I really enjoyed Covenant, especially the addition of the Neomorphs as a sort of chaos-sowing meso-predator to the stalking beast Protomorph. I liked David as an antagonist but felt they needed to add some of the parts from the Advent clip to really show how apathetic and indifferent he was. Advent was really a chilling clip! 

But IMO Fox tried to appease as many of the divided fan base expectations as possible - but with a 2 hour screen time that probably required at least another hour. To have really pulled it off there needed to be another half hour dedicated to the engineers/Shaw story, and another half hour on the Protomorph hunt at the end. That end sequence was so cut down and rushed it lost all suspense.

Also, If you have seen some of the animated gifs getting around on here of the chestburster, bloodburster, and the adult Protomorph there is SO much detail in the cgi creatures - but they go by in a flash on screen without giving you a chance to truly appreciate how amazing they look.

Covenant was a quality film, great atmosphere, top class soundtrack, stunning visuals, some interesting new additions and I like the direction it is headed and cant wait for Awakening!

I still maintain we will look back at Covenant after these prequels are done and then truly appreciate it for what it set up.

It is a bridging film in a trilogy that sets up the final chapter.

Lawrence of Arabia and ScorpioStar - The third member of the club is here! :)

Xenotaris nice collection of pictures!

The reason I ask about the dimensions is because I am working on an Alien fanfic that heavily features an abandoned Conestoga ship so I would like reliable/canonable specs on the ship to work with.

ScorpioStar I like to be surprised, entertained, have my imagination stimulated. I would have appreciated a follow up to Prometheus, more about Elizabeth Shaw and her quest for answers, body horror, metaphysical dread. Visually, I would have liked more Giger and less victorian drawings, more sophistication in the Alien design, more weirdness. I would have appreciated it a movie that expands the known universe, not one that made it smaller like Covenant.

IRaptus

Thank you for the awesome gif :D Didn't realize how much gore the chestburster was covered in, truly horrific. I also dug the transparent look the little Xeno had, could that harken back to Giger's original look for the titular beast?

@joylitt

So you'd rather have what, exactly?

ScorpioStar I know what I did not want, and that is David taking over the movie. I also did not appreciate the dumb and disposable characters and all the cgi. And the unscary, easy to kill xenomorph. Next to Covenant, Prometheus is a total masterpiece.

@Lawrence of Arabia

Same tune here :)

I don't know, since apparently he never said a word about Cameron's "ALIENS", and the rest, but he was surprised to be mentioned on AvP ;)

I like the road too but it seems like people just don't want the origin or mythology building and instead a rehash of Alien 79 or worse Aliens. I love the originals but we gotta move forward. The numbers are only important to those wanting a sequel or those who are looking for 'facts' to bring the film down.

Apart from tragedies, and misfortunes, (and I'm really sorry to hear those) let's go numbers... No! Let's go release schedules.

May - most of the so called European and American countries.

Any given month - the rest of the world.

I ask, and I mean it: why was that?

Im Durp I am talking about people who don't list any positives, thay simply hate it. And they can hate it as long they are honest and not part in a campaign.

 @Lawrence of Arabia,

I agree, but some people keep on going, "Boo woo, it's not what I wanted!", and I seriously doubt if they know what they want at all...

ScorpioStar

If anything Covenant was like every Alien film thus far merged into one film. (excluding AvP of course.)

Seriously, it's not an "Alien" movie? What's an "Alien" movie? Please, be specific: That would be like, "It's not ALIEN" or "It's not ALIENS", or "It's not A3", or "It's not A:R", or, let's go for it, "It's not AVP"?

I have to say I don't know what it was felt "domestically or internationally", but I liked PROMETHEUS very much, as I liked COVENANT, ALIEN (the one and only, if it is about an "Alien movie"), and A3, for its "Alien" atmosphere. I don't think ALIENS was an Alien movie at all, it was just Cameron exterminating (Yup, I meant it) something once perfect!

daliens

Seems like you just want to read reviews you happen to agree with. As I've said everyone has different opinions(the things reviews are based on) and some could dislike David or not like the direction they see RS taking this series. 

The fact is people have problems with this movie no matter how small that may be, and they are just as justified as the people that like it and all the small details they recall back when listing its positives.

I don't hate AC, I simply dislike the film. my issues r, to me, not minor issues but big enough issues to ruin it for me. I agree many people r simply looking for problems but id say on the whole people r maybe finding little issues to moan about just for the simple reason they are soooo disappointed in what was delivered. remember on here, the weeks if not months of theorising n everyone coming up with their own ideas. to me, that has been the best part about AC. I am only speaking for myself but taking the hype and just how much I was looking forward to the film more than any other I can remember for years, the film SUCKED. id go as far to say if I wasn't such a big alien franchise film id wash my hands of the prequel series altogether. forgetting the hype and putting it to one side, its not a film I would rush to see again for many reasons

Can't wait to see more Alienverse ships turning up in the future. The Sulaco is one of my favorites, then it's the Prometheus, then the UD-L4 Cheyenne Dropship, then the Covenant, then the Juggernaut/Derelict, then the Nostromo, (insert Alienverse EU ships), then the Auriga.

The Conestoga-class Sulaco is one of my favorites, then it's the USCSS Prometheus , then the UD-L4 Cheyenne Dropship , then the USCSS Covenant , then the Juggernaut/Derelict , then the USCSS Nostromo , (insert Alienverse EU ships), then the Auriga and Betty.

People hate A:C (for the most part) and the David storyline because of what it does to the lore and not so much the execution. People don't like that he created the Xenomorph and are now looking for any minor criticism to make into a mountain. 

I was disappointed.  When Ripley featured in the franchise, it was about her struggle to survive and beat the unbeatable.  Alien 3 broke a rule.  It began with the premise that the prior film was of no consequence and it did that by telling us that Ripley's quest to save Bishop, the girl, and the soldier had failed as a kind of BTW.  The second release was a necessary improvement.

However, again mistakes of narrative were made in Covenant.  Since the days of Ripley, in every Alien film everyone dies.  This instills in the audience the expectation that everyone will die which made Prometheus a welcome change.  But again we get the "Oh yeah, Shaw died." as if her living or dying was not worthy of drama.  And then, we get the well-worn and tired Dues Ex Machina of mistaken identity.  The moment David/Walter appeared back at the ship I thought, "Don't do it Ridley" but the fact that we didn't see the end of the fight between them or who prevailed...  Yeah, the fix was in and we were going to get the same old switcheroo that got tired in Giligan's Island.  And, we are back to everyone dies in an Alien film. 

Great work. Thank Dark Nebula.

I agree IRaptus.

"I'm still convinced that the suit is just the Engineer mutated with the black goo in a controlled enough way that it changes them the way they want to be."

I am leaning towards what you wrote above drucea. 

David 8 may have been able to use a genomic design harnessed from the aspects of the Engineer suits (skin mutation) to construct the biomechanical xenomorph.

Building on that, yes, I believe the Engineer suits were either grown on the Engineer skin or the Engineer was designed with the mutation "on" his skin that makes up the "suit".

The pressure suit in the above hologram (and below in Fifield's feed and the Engineer pilot images) is a separate layer from the Engineer suit/skin.

personally I love RS and I think David has been the saviour in both movies from a character stand point. id love to see RS get stuck into 2 more prequels to tie us into alien. I love alien, aliens and Prometheus. I like alien3 and AR. I have them all on dvd and I have the 9 disc quadrilogy box set that is the pride and joy of my collection. I have seen AC a couple of times now and I WONT be buying the dvd or BR. my opinion of the movie just hasn't changed. maybe in the future but for now I m sorry, but I wont be spending more money on it as I simply cant justify the cost. I don't like the film. visually stunning, Fassbender again brilliant and I loved the creatures. but the nagatives just ruin it for me too much. I hope the next instalment gets the budget it deserves to give the fans the epic we deserve so fingers crossed.

Im Durp when I read a review I like to learn something about the movie, information, fair analysis like in Chris' review after the world premiere.  Or a review written by Michele Jonston, just to name two honest reviewer from this forum.

I said many times that AC is not the perfect movie and I was myself critic with some issues. But to read all that nonsense from people who hate David (?) or Ridley Scott, that I cannot do.

This below is more of the Dane Hallett images (amazing, tearfully breathtaking) that Ati introduced me to Davefried81.

This mutation above appears to show aspects of a neomorph (upper right) and Engineer infant (upper left), both facing away from each other.

In David's Illustrations, he wrote of refining the rib cage in regards to internal organs and the internal ribbing and lateral ridge bone structure (below). The mutation above looks a little like "Frankie" in a mutation in an attempt to refine the "head" of the organism.

Frankie looks like the start of the xeno skull!

That is awesome news Ati.

I believe the organism is "Frankie" from "David Illustrations" on the Blue-Ray.

I was like "This is awesome!", and then realized the queen...this is bad

It would be better if the Deacon mural was on its place

daliens

I'm not sure your point tbh. If you don't see a movie by its rating why do you care that some people didn't like it and wrote reviews for it? It doesn't effect how you see the movie anyway.

If you're just saying you don't think people should write bad reviews then that kind of defeats the purpose. Every movie would just have 100%'s on every site and there would be no other opinion, and that kind of defeats the purpose of discussion and creates and echochamber of positives.

I think you're throwing too much of yourself out and treating that as a standard. Even if you don't write negative reviews for movies you don't like some people do, obviously a large number, and I think it's fair to say you should take their opinions in just as much as the positive ones.

Im Durp I cannot wait 40 minutes for a movie to get better, I don't see movies based on ratings either. Even if I watch a movie I don't like until the end, I don't write a negative review about it. And AC has so many of them, just browse the first pages of the review section from Imdb if you have some time to waste.

red0guy@gmail.com you better be honest.

I couldnt find the Oram death gif so instead here is everyone's little buddy Chesty McBurster

daliens

How do you know a movie will leave you with nothing before you see it. Also as I said people wait because they want the movie to get better. There are plenty of movies that take about 40 minutes-1 hour to really get started then you have a great time. And with ticket prices what they are people want to see the thing all the way. As I said a movie has to be a special type of awful to actually make a decent amount of people leave.

I probably won't go out of my way to see the Mummy again, just the same as I won't go out of my way to watch A:C again. I found both of them fine, enjoyable enough to give a chance. If I see them on tv or something I might watch them.

No I didn't write a negative review because the movie didn't leave me feeling any way(negative or positive) about it that made me want to give my opinion on it. It was an average movie I saw it and I was done. Some people write reviews though. If they really like it they'll write positive reviews and if they don't it will be negative, it just so happens the reviews you read were negative.

red0guy@gmail.com

I am not sure we saw the same movie.

daliens

Art is supposed to produce emotion so a reviewer must say what he felt about it and what he understood it meant, etc. Art criticism is not objective. That works only in theory for technical stuff. 

Ati 60km, that madness!! 

Definitely compensating for something ;-) 

joylitt I stopped long ago writing negative things about Aliens because it's no fun and it hurts other people feelings. I never wrote a review for AC and I believe reviews should be as much as possible objective.