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'Charcoal study of an engineers head.'
I think that, if you disconsider the "prologue" in Alien 3 (showing Newt and Hicks dead for ever and never more, for there had been Cameron's unfortunate vision on the Alien universe, and that had to be addressed somehow in Alien 3), we could have had a great sequence with conspiracy and the sort. And maybe we could have a balance between what it was meant to be and what came to be.
I think Sir Ridley is doing his best, although he could do better being the director he is, and he is on the right track. In Covenant, he got some distance from this "conspiracy" and I liked it better that way.
I would love to see Danny Boyle do an Alien movie.
'More deformation. This one hung as a 1.7m 'banner' in the lab.'
For the record I love every single film in the franchise. I honestly don't have a favourite, they all have their merits.
The films themselves are great, its all the other stuff that is letting the franchise down. Major inconsistencies, contradictions, and half-cooked ideas/concepts caused from a lack of foresight and too much indecision. Like I said the franchise has a wonderful premise, they just to get the execution right, and that starts with some forward thinking and backing their writers, directors, actors etc.
Rant complete XD
'Heres a study of an organism native to the Engineer planet. It's also meant to give some insight into Davids willingness to terminate and mutilate on behalf of a greater calling.'
Nice collection, some of them were created by Dane Hallett, let me add some original ones from his fb site:
https://www.facebook.com/hallett.dane/
He writes:
'One of my favourites. David also experimented on the young...'
The Alien Franchise is in desperate need of a new vision and fresh blood. Ridley Scott has been trying to give us that in his own way, but keeps getting shafted by the corporate execubots pandering to mooted audience reactions and archaic box office statistics that don't reflect the changing industry consumer patterns.
The franchise really needs someone at the helm with a clear vision and future path paved in concrete. No more piece meal and ad hoc scripts, have the next few films planned out and stick to it!
Giller and Hill have contributed much to the franchise and should be maintained as consultants, but its time for a shake up.
It honestly saddens me seeing this great franchise trip and stumble upon its own feet. The formula is there, the execution is not
Ha, awesome topic! :)
Are you talking about this spare-part owned by David?
WTF this is hilarious and very well done!
Karine, Tennessee, and Loupe. I would like to have said Jussie Smollet, but, like many of the characters, he was underused to the point of feeling like he was the "token black guy" in the cast, sadly. Daniels was annoying and I simply could NOT buy her as the heroine, and her diction and whining was/is intolerable to me. She did not speak clearly and sounded unprofessional most of the movie.
as long as was present, just to oversee for purely scientific reason u understand, id have Call do the examination
Well yeah, but like somebody said, you don't see our buildings being made, out of spaceship parts
Ingeniero Well, I suppose it would be the prudent course of action.......just to be sure.
dk, that is why we need a thorough examination of Ms. Vickers...to confirm our suspicions.
Ingeniero Agree about Walter- I said as much on a different thread lol!
I see Vickers' name mentioned but I thought there was no confirmation she was an android.
Yes, Ms. Vickers is need of a thorough exam to find anything synthetic.
"What about you? You are among friends."
OK, fine dk. I wouldn't mind having Walter around. Of all the things Walter can do, the top two things he says he excels at are in the kitchen and gardening. We would get along.
It is also interesting to see how the ships look completely unlike all the buildings and architecture.
Yes, he was crying. Discipline is very tough on those who must apply it. The Engineers didn't have time to cry.
David, Tennessee, Lope, Walter, Daniels and Oram
I hated those Dead Space infants! Especially in the zero gravity zones
Walter.
I have a soft spot for androids in general, especially dutiful ones. I relate to them and I admire their loyalty to their companions despite always being among but not entirely "one of" the group.
Plus, while I'm always hoping for things to turn out well for them in the end, in the interim it's enjoyable to see misfortune befall them. Their stalwart disposition in the face of adversity is endearing and enviable.
I love how Walter, like Arjuna, aspires to be dispassionate and take action rightly renounced...but fails, as he secretly has feelings for Daniels.
I love the tragedy of Walter being the most selfless member of the crew and basically doing everything right but still winding up badly injured and abandoned by everyone he cared about.
Though deep down, I really really hope he finds a way off that planet and saves Daniels.
...I know that's unlikely...but I'm going to be super devastated otherwise. Like, seriously, guys. I will cry.
If Walter dies in Awakening and you hear someone quietly sobbing in the theater, that's me.
TD your first language isn't english but what you are correctly identifying is whats known as mediation. A character or characters has to mediate the narrative for us to be engaged. Thats why Ripley is so iconic she is all our fears and wishes for survival and for beating the s..t out of Weyland Yutani's nasty agenda and she went all the way in 3 and sacrificed herself. We are on her journey. Right now we are on no ones journey
As to others remarks
This idea that nixing characters Hicks,Newt and Shaw is great because it makes the films dark is frankly arrant bollocks. The reason they were killed off was to change the direction of the next story and anyone being honest with themselves knows it is merely plot point convenient. That would not be an issue if there had not been excellent creative ways they could be carried over into the next phase to enhance the storytelling. These films are supposed to be symphonic building an over arching arc. We have lost Shaw, who I know you personally do not like, but nevertheless she mediated the revelations of LV223 with Janek's help and ultimately went to Paradise for answers which were set up in Prometheus and just to show how damaging that has been it has killed the natural momentum of the story and we then spend an hour in Covenant building characters who once again are all dead, riffing the first film. Time is precious in a story like this and huge amounts of time have got us to two conclusions.
1) David is dangerous and unreliable both in the narrative and more importantly as the narrator. Ironically if Advent is true you can skip Covenant and move straight to the next point on the board and you will not notice a thing.
2) He created the particular protomorph we see at the end of the film.
Every other really fascinating element set up in Prometheus remains mere conjecture, thats what happens when you waste time restarting and do not have a character who is mediating for you. David cannot he is a robot who will do anything, say anything.
Ridley may want to spin this out for financial reasons and he has put us off the scent by completely changing direction but anyone paying attention and giving themselves permission to be honest with themselves may find their attention wandering.
As Ridley has said you need a good script and whether its sci or any other story you need to be engaged with the central characters.. of which we currently have none. Thats not dark its a fog.
This is just more examples of Sir Ridley's beautiful world of horrors! I hope he does not have to make too many other movies before he can get back to this project!
@Ingeniero - I was wondering how he had those Face-Hugger embryos in his stomach? You know, we are still not definitely certain he is not Walter, after all? ;)
This was awesome hahahaha
This print is up for sale. I was intrigued by it, but I didn't spot it actually being a 'screen-used' drawing the last time I saw the movie. It looks slightly different to the ones that appear in the movie.
It would have been horrible. He doesn't make good movies.
I never got the idea Prometheus was about david, not 1 bit. AC yes but not Prometheus
Well, I wouldn’t argue with you if you said that Shakespeare was a better writer than our Alien: script writers (or any writer for that matter). As you wrote, it’s not about the amount of blood (Macbeth and Hamlet are very bloody indeed) which makes a film belong to a specific genre - it’s probably the amount of dialog (and monolog). Even if Kenneth Branagh made a very good effort in making Hamlet more attractive to the general public, it wasn’t a blockbuster (it suffered a loss).
Do we want the who, what and why explained? Can they be explained? Prometheus was existential seeking, a philosophical journey. In a way, Shaw got her answers (but she couldn’t take it in). The engineers made us and wanted to destroy us because we had failed to evolve in the right direction. Who created the engineers and who created the ones who created the engineers . . . Why? Because they could . . . Prometheus was good when it comes to story and philosophical depth, but lacked in suspense. If Spaihts’ neomorph from the script had been kept, everybody would have been happy. Instead, they had to bring it back in AC (where they already had another monster - the protomorph).
What makes Ash’s remark so horrifying is that conscience and morality might be nothing but a delusion (Nietzsche - God is dead - existential nihilism). The ones still alive on the Nostromo can’t take that in (They want to believe that there is intrinsic good in the universe, but there is nothing but living or dying (Lambert desperately suggests drawing straws about the remaining places in the lifeboat). The notions of divine salvation, retribution, redemption etc are just projections of our own inner feelings and wishes. The alien creature isn’t evil, it’s amoral, living on the instinct of survival and propagation. Parker was killed because he felt the need to follow standard morals - to save Lambert. In order to survive, Ripley has to become a “monster” - follow the instincts deep inside. David isn’t the amoral creature Ash talks about because he doesn’t work on instinct. He is programmed to have a choice, like humans (He is free to use his will for "evil" purposes).
I’m not sure about having Shaw and David continue in the AC. I don’t see this as a serial, like following the Macahans. I see this more like an epic saga, stretching over time and generations. In Alien: Awakening there should be a new couple (Daniels and Tennessee dead) shouldering the burdens of destroying David and his wolves . . .
Since there were so many problems with the production of Alien 3 it is a mystery how they managed to get a final movie that is actually really good. It makes me feel a bit sad that they gave Fincher a crappy situation. Maybe it would have been even better of Fox wouldn’t have interfered as much as they did.
I like the Clash reference in the title even though I don't listen to them a lot.
taking into account how good alien was Giler and Hill brought a lot of positives to the franchise. starbeast isn't a good script and I personally see the positive changes made by them. they didn't have much to do with aliens as it was Cameron from first draft through to the end of production. alien3 as u say was a monster f**k situation for Fincher which taken into consideration makes alien3 even better. I think combinations of ideas make movies better, sometimes worse yes but in general having an outsiders view point helps. Giler and Hill have nothing to do with AR or any of the following films but where AR is concerned I think u can see it. I like AR for what it is but when people talk about stupid plots within the alien movies AR has the most for me but its the same problem over and over and over again which I don't think,had giler and hill been involved, would have been so apparent. when the group find out their in trouble and have to get to the betty asap, they don't run at any point and they keep stopping for detours. I don't think giler or hill would have had that happen if they had been involved.
