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The joy I've found so far is that Pop Music video with xeno jumping wall to wall in the red ship corridor then joined by the dancing neomorph.
I read a theory that the habitants on the planet were another one of the engineers' creations. And they saw the engineers to be gods, as humans did when we were in our early days.
Why must we be all stupid if we did not like/hate Covenant? I liked Prometheus from day 1 and now after re-watching all Alien movies, it is the only one I would watch again.
But could they make a voyeur erotic - horror movie. Maybe we could see intimate scenes between Dallas and Ripley as a concept RS wanted in the first Alien. He seems keen on picking up old ideas.
@hox well said, hox. I love it too. It's a good way of measuring someone's intelligence, quite frankly.
VivisectedEngineer, that is another good answer (see correct answer above). It is tough out there for the synthetic.
The answer is capturing Sean Fifield's smile dk. I figured each of us were familiar with the character and his abrasive disposition.
I'll have to go back and look I Moon Girl. I believe he was smirking when burning in his helmet and later after the black goo treatment his lips were melted off and that gave the appearance of a smile.
Thank you both again for your analysis/time.
Here is the link to the deleted scene cited above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHat2vtcfzU
I know dk. I didn't catch the scene until years later and thought it was great. BigDave and Thombach reminded me of it in regards to Rafe Millburn in another topic related to neomorph types and Millburn's attempt to pet a neomorph-like creature.
I would make something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tPRPKfZwNM&t=12s
or this
Songs would be some of these ( I love god is an astronaut) :
God is an astronaut- when everything dies
God is an astronaut- from dust to beyond
Sorry I did not realize you just copy pasted the last link. You could have made it more clear. Hope that Alex Leadbeater (oh man, what is this name) won't mind.
red0guy@gmail.com, you know I'm not the one who wrote it? :)
No
One reason why AC was disappointing in a way was because of the focus on AI at the expense of humans. When I watched AC I realized how important it is to have human characters that we as an audience can see ourselves in. Don’t make the same mistake again.
This is not to say that we shall have a focus of 85% on humans but it must have a better balance than Alien Covenant gave us.
Thanks DK, interesting.
Combined with this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE_vNYyBwCI
I guess that it fits better with the Xeno Queen :D
This could be a David song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTC_fD598A
dk "I like the mean spiritness- it goes against the grain and rubs people the wrong way and takes chances. That is likely why it falls short in box office and popcorn sales."
If this is what you really like "Morgan" is going to be right up your alley. It is directed by Ridley's son. Maybe you can catch on Netflix. It is basically David's story while growing up even though Morgan is a girl.
dk sorry for going off topic. Anyway, if our opinion were so irrelevant Alien and Aliens wouldn't be on the imdb top 250 since like forever. Aliens is #65 and Alien is #51. And they compete with every new movie. No other Alien movie made it there.
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?ref_=tt_awd
red0guy@gmail.com I like the mean spiritness- it goes against the grain and rubs people the wrong way and takes chances. That is likely why it falls short in box office and popcorn sales. I really don't care about sales. I like movies like that. If they fizzle out of theaters and find a home in streaming services- I am totally on board with that.
joylitt You can dismiss the review I mentioned but know that I only cited it to highlight that the movies age well.
I agree with your sentiments on the movies- Aliens was my first and was a game changer- however, our stories are only anecdotal in this thread.
It looks like we got OT from the OP- but I am ok with it since the discussions are engaging and things have been respectful.
I no longer see where to take this thread. Seems it was about continuing the series through the eyes of synthetics.
For that to happen there must be a renew in the Sci fi genre as whole, or at least the script to be given to some who does not say it is a minor genre.
They want something to be more meaningful, Alien Covenant was the most mean spirited of the series and that was covering what I consider lack of imagination or spite (as a response for Prometheus). In the first Alien, almost die but finally the protagonist defeats the space "dickhead". In the second, 4 survive (I include Bishop as person). The third one was more bleak indeed, but Ripley killed herself for something meaningful, to prevent the evil corp. to obtain the Xeno queen. Well forth one is more comedy ....
Only in Covenant we have Xenomorphs created from the body parts of woman we love, victories that ultimately are meaningless and genocide. So no, this was not the tone of the series.
dk That was a totally bogus review. And I must disagree about the first two Aliens. Alien was so groundbreaking that even when relatives told me the story it totally fascinated me. Come on... the eeriness of it all, the surprises, the acid perforating the ship, so many things I could never forget... I went to see Aliens in the movie theater and it was like gangbusters. First sci-fi nominated for 7 Oscars. Never met anybody who didn't love that movie. Honestly, did you ever had a teenage classmate who told you "don't go see that movie because it sucks"?. A film that you can play to your dad and he would love it. The franchise is not in the same shape right now. We really need a break from all that is wrong about it asap.
red0guy@gmail.com That also brings up the question of weighing societal factors and personal responsibility. If David sees himself as more than human, he can't realistically pleed being a product of his creators when it is convenient.
I still think David, or at least Walter, will play a major part in the next movie. Like it or not, that is just my opinion.
David is supposed to be a disturbing character and I love that! Many casual viewers don't seem to like it and want happy endings, but Alien movies have never been that way. They might not command at the box office, but they age well and are looked on with fairly high regard. Remember that both Alien and Aliens were panned back in their day.
Someone posted a review of Aliens that looked almost identical to a typical review of AC. Go figure.
I can only bank on what RS actually said. Doesn't matter much what I would want to hear, it is as he says.
The danger is the unanimous praise Fassbender gets for playing David. Don't get me wrong, I like him too, but the studios seem to think: Ok, a lot of people couldn't agree about Prometheus but they loved Fassbender; so why don't we make a whole movie about David. Good idea, right?... Well I hope they learnt their lesson from Covenant and somehow rediscover that old Alien mojo again, because I am 100% certain that even those who now say they love the AI focus will be bored to death if they again tell a predictable story.
red0guy@gmail.com I think it just takes a little bit of imagination. They need to get the audience excited again somehow.
I believe you but I won't listen to RS as I don't want to give any money to things I hate. And if that was a fairly regular occurrence why did they not reappear in the years David was on the planet? Do the ships maintain any kind of contact with their home-world. I guess not, but this is very unconvincing.
Yet again with new human characters? Or will Daniels survive (this would piss much as they killed Shaw)? Will the evil corporation WY fight the nazi robot, is anybody really interested in that? And if the engineers reappear, wouldn't it be just for being slaughtered? Will we learn know anything about their morality or their religion, about what they think about souls and stuff... Of course not.
Well if he did not wanted to he certainly succeeded in it and that's why find people liking the character very disturbing.
red0guy@gmail.com RS said it was a fairly regular occurrence and there was no reason for inhabitants to be suspicious. I encourage listening to his commentary. I am not making this up.
red0guy@gmail.com Well, David certainly wants to control and is involved in eugenics, and experiments that seem to mirror those of the 3rd Reich. I do not think that was ever Sir Ridley's intent though- to have David specifically compared to Nazis or its leadership.
red0guy@gmail.com That's ok maybe I misunderstood your previous post. To me this crazy version of David is not very compelling neither, that is why I hope in the next movie -if we get one- a secret agenda will be revealed, so we can see David under new light. It's been 2 movies already where David experiments with people with total impunity while everybody else is too dumb to guess what's going on. So, let's please move on form the same story.. I think you will agree with me on that.
And they was not suspicious about a ship missed more than 2000 years ago? I understand that the engineers don't evolve any more but they make absolutely no checks?
I don't understand where are you going with that question. All I wanted to say that before is that for me the AC David is not compelling at all, I can't have no sympathy for him, and sincerely I don't care about his final fate.
Ok... David as a personification (synth-etesis, pun intended) of nazism.
The RS commentary basically stated the populace was welcoming the juggernaut and that it was not an unusual occurrence. Those words are from RS and I will bank on it- until he changes his mind.....again.
Home Again, Home Again Jiggity Jig
This scene was in Blade Runner. OHH the Good times...
"Just like Prometheus, this is David's Story" this is false, sorry. Prometheus was way more multi-layered and you have must look also at the fact that in Prometheus, David was a unit, it was never case that he was the first synthetic built by Weyland. The prologue, induced meaning into P which we have no evidence that was there in the first place. This can confirm only Lindelof and/or RS.
And why can't you accept that people would not like the story of a nazi robot in space? Is this something new ? No, it is already a trope. Of course, it makes you want to puke, it's disgusting but not scary.
As far as David's experiments go, maybe the focus should look at Himler and Mengale.
dk I know. I read it somewhere before you told me. It's just in my mind it plays like a scene from a Mel Brooks movie.
