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red0guy@gmail.com Do you think Hitler was telling people you are in this facility because I am going to gas you?
"Basically, he would be goose stepping up the hall among the 2000 cryo colonists".... HELL NO!
I only state the fact. It is there if you wish to check.
In hind sight and what is going on right now in the world, it may be for the best that it was toned down.
Well I'm not convinced and even that was the case why then not try to explain yourself before commiting genocide and "evolving" people? I know why because that would bore those that wanted carnage...
"Basically, he would be goose stepping up the hall among the 2000 cryo colonists".... HELL NO!
That would have been comedy. That's what I mean sometimes Ridley's ideas can be a little bit out there.
In the urn drop sequence, it does indeed look like they hit some kind of invisible barrier/shield, but I assume it's just a way of deploying the virus far away enough from the ship so it doesn't infect the crew.
It wouldn't make much sense to have a barrier over the city, if the juggernaut was going to land in the hangar bay below.
The hanger automatically opens as the docking ship and juggernaut approach each other, so I doubt there's any shield in place to protect the people below
And if there was, what a crappy shield it was! :P
As a product of Weyland corp. I think that not all of humanity is to blame for his genocidal madness, not even our brightest mind. In the prologue to AC, Peter Weyland is depicted as a complete moron. As a lowly programmer as myself, when a piece of code would produce disturbing results, as he seem for a second but after that goes back to his stupor, the first thing i would do is debugging.
And we most note, that for some from the middle ages we already played God, with implants, transfusions and other medical devices and I don't think that those are bad things at all.
So no, David is the prime responsible for his actions as he became "free".
A madman inspired by beautiful classical music to embark in a genocide.
joylitt Yep- it is in the director commentary.
red0guy@gmail.com About Shaw and David. I was just referring to the fact that even the kindest person like Shaw would probably consider a synthetic nothing but a tool. And you are totally right, the depiction of David, with Wagner soundtrack and all is very reminiscent of the 3rd reich. I read somewhere that there was something else they cut from that last scene that was going even further into that direction.
thanks that you reinforce in me that David is a space nazi robot.
Interesting. I didn't want to say it first but RS stated in the AC commentary that the final scene had a Hitleresque vibe that was toned down. Basically, he would be goose stepping up the hall among the 2000 cryo colonists. Check it if you think I am exaggerating.
No, Shaw was expecting to die at the end of Prometheus and was skeptical about him after the squid incident (I would think she would have been about any thing related to Weyland). If anything she might have tough of him as some child (with the robot line). But by the Crossing the "relationship" seems to have evolved, maybe towards more understanding? But then he wanted to evolve her? What misogynistic piece of s**t would want that?
Albert Einstein was Jewish, so he emigrated to the US because of the Nazis and would definitely not worked on the A-bomb (for that you must have had pure Aryan blood, being member of the party). But your comparison applies way better to a certain Adolf Hitler, who in his youth wanted to become a professional painter but his ambitions were cut short because he failed the entrance exam to the Viennese academy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintings_by_Adolf_Hitler). So thanks that you reinforce in me that David is a space nazi robot.
I need to watch Paul again LOL! Besides Weaver is in it!
Eleven posts in this thread with only two contributing members so far. Sad.
Imagine if Walter had this reaction
OK. I am ripping from a previous Silliness thread to try to set the tone.
joylitt LOL- I suppose the only way to parody would be with a suggestive soundtrack- maybe with slightly overdriven guitars with a wah pedal!
Great post by Nastdane. For me it's Covenant for the same reason. Prometheus was fantastic, but Coventant was gripping in a way not many movies are.
dk What I mean is that was funny no matter if you are gay or straight. How are you going to parody that. You just can't. Maybe you can add some Barry White soundtrack but that's it lol
Surprised there's no love for the Covenant version ITT
joylitt Interesting question. My better half and myself watched and I told her all about the scene before hand. When we watched, we both looked at each other and said, what is the big deal? We got it but don't think it deserved a big to do about questions of sexuality identity. We just don't GAF about that stuff. In a way, I think it adds to the complexity of David.
dk You mean unintended comedy. So what do you think about the flute scene. Is it unintended comedy? How were we supposed to take those lines. Fassbender says the lines with a straight face and yet it is funny.
Some of the best comedy is observing people trying to be serious and utterly failing!
How about shameless ripoffs. I wonder is Covenant will get one.
joylitt That was absolutely terrible and I love it! I am surprised MST3K hasn't covered this since I have seen them all.
I think the amputation and repair was likely bad filming and people not paying attention lol! I love those sh%tty movies!
"You are so blinded by your need to create and advance that you ignore the fact you have set a course for you own demise- illogical"
I don't know if this is "decent" but it sure is funny. And notice the amputation and self repair, I think it influenced Covenant in how the robots can heal lol
David is also known to lie or manipulate to further his own agenda.
- Well, there are probably as many preferences as there are individuals on Earth. As for earnings, AC has made 231 million dollars worldwide so far in theatres. Add to this Blu-ray/DVD-selling, streaming, collectibles etc and the production companies involved (Fox and others) must have made a pretty good profit? As for the xeno being cooked or not, it’s a question of the recipe for the broth? In my opinion, they should have settled with the neomorph (which in adult form was even scarier than the xeno). Imagine being stalked by that creature through the long corridors of The Covenant. This would also have spared us from the headaches from the “creating issue”. David could have been responsible for creating this monster on his way to recreate the perfect being - the xenomorph (created, or perhaps discovered, by the engineers eons ago).
- On the other hand, Alien was, in fact, a horror and gore movie. To this day, the scene when Kain gives birth to the creature is bloody disgusting :). I think even RS called Alien a B-movie turned into an A-movie? I think AC (which has done pretty good so far) could have been a blockbuster with a couple of changes, for example, a couple in the centre that we in the audience care for, and a more creepy ending in the dark corridors of The Covenant?
- In my view, Spaihts’ script was much better and would have saved all the fans the headaches of Prometheus and AC (although they are not bad) and could, with a couple of changes, turned the resulting movie (perhaps called Alien: Engineers like in the script?) into a blockbuster. RS would then have given the fans what they wanted from the beginning (the script is very creepy and scary) and RS could have developed the engineers, the question of man’s origin (philosophical questions/religious symbolism) as well? The characters in Prometheus were OK but not as good as in Alien (where you felt for all of them in some way). I agree with you, Michelle, that you shouldn’t tell everything in detail but leave some open for imagination (but I don’t want inconsistencies).
By the way, I hope you won’t give up on us here? :) That would be sad.
I give up. UNCLE! I think we need Ati to unravel that deliberately blurry pic!
This is free form silliness since we have been serious for some time. Please adhere to forum rules of basic decency.
Other than that- go for it!
We deserve the consequences of our creations?
Human arrogance and why we shouldn't play god?
A synthetic making it to the end of the movie intact.
I just watched that scene again with the brightness turned up on my tv. All the urns are exactly the same size. I did notice the writing on them is different in one shot. The same shot in Kethol's first screen grab.
From what I can tell, the urns float off the vertical racks of urns stacked in the walls and float through the air to the center of the bomb bay. They line up in concentric circles over the hole in the floor until they drop and hit the shield barrier thing. I guess the urns don't really explode, they just break on the barrier, then the goo atomizes and the small particles slip through.
joylitt Thanks- it is great to see these concepts discussed on the forum!
Ever since we've been introduced to Prometheus, the acts of cruelty, lack of empathy and discrimination he has been subjected to have been clearly highlighted and they are not very different from similar acts affecting human minorities, for instance. In Prometheus, David is subjected to a big embarrassment in front of the crew when he is introduced by Weyland as a surrogate son who lacks a soul and who will never be able to appreciate humanity's spiritual quest. He is mocked by Holloway who tells him that he was created just because humans could do it. Even Shaw would have left him behind if he didn't talk her into taking him with her. In Covenant David reveals how bitter he really is about how he's been treated. He mentions he is not allowed to create. I can think about so many comparisons in society and in politics. Imagine if Albert Einstein had lived in a different political climate and was not allowed to create because as an immigrant he was not welcome in America. Would he have developed the atomic bomb for Germany maybe?
joylitt Well said. How would you imagine' David's interpretation of humanity's kindness or lack thereof to synthetics? Kindness is a human notion much like the concept of morality. Ethics might register better with David?
I Moon Girl Well I think he is comparing two undiscovered worlds" Origae 6 and the synthetics world. Obviously the synthetic world will be humanity's worst nightmare because humans were not kind to them.
I don’t think AI has the same solution solving predictability path as a human which can be way more random.
Thanks for the insights!
The movie might be able to get around the highlighted quote by attributing it to David's lack of up grades? An unforeseen evolutionary step of sorts?
@ joylitt
How does that line lead to a direct connection to David's upbringing if you don't mind explaining that to me?
