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I kind of mean if we take the Bible and Paradise Lost into context, even if we look at the Bible it shows us Lucifer was once Gods most favored and yet Lucifer knowing how Perfect he was had let Pride get the better of him to the point that he saw him self as beyond equal to GOD.... so began his rebellion.. so his relationship to GOD is not to far from David and Weyland. And so we get to Adam and Eve, Adam who is strong with GOD and Loyal and Lucifer knows that tricking them to disobey GOD would get them GODS New Favored Creation kicked out of Paradise.
And so he used Eve to trick Adam, eating the Fruit that then gives Adam and Eve knowledge of Good and Evil.... and so its the case of KNOWLEDGE thats not intended to lead to consequences. If Adam and Eve did not eat from the Fruit we can ponder what limited knowledge they would have, they would serve GOD unconditionally and be like a Walter is, as opposed to David which Mankind became after the Sin.
As far as the Annunaki indeed Stitchin did come up with some of the stuff, but i still think as this touches the whole Chariots of the Gods stuff which Prometheus was based off, then i think exploring the Annunaki/Igigi relationship is something that could be applied to the Engineers Agenda.
Yes, some Ron Cobb designs and the second image is by Chris Foss. They were first included in The Book of A L I E N by Paul Scanlon and Michael Gross.
1st Edition
Titan Books New Edition May 2012
I have 2 copies of both editions as that's the kind of geek I am!
I don't find them odd at all. What you have there are some classic late 70's designs!
I would have not made Alien Resurrection, and i would have gone about to tackle the Prequels.
If i was FOX i would have contacted Ridley Scott, Dan O'Bannon and HR Giger and got them to Brain Storm where each would have liked to explored a Prequel that deals with the Space Jockey Race, the Xenomorph Origin etc.
Even if RS would not work on Directing i would have taken the Influence from what these 3 guys had on the subject so you had a broad Synopsis/Plan of Ideas and then get someone in to work on a Draft/Story that takes them on board.
Even if AR was made... i would certainly had explored a Prequel instead of doing the AVP movie..
But as Alien Resurrection had not gone down to well, it appeared FOX was not so keen on doing a Sequel and maybe lacked Confidence in how to tackle a Prequel that does not have Ripley.... or maybe never even once gave a Prequel consideration.
They saw the AVP Games and Comics as very interesting Market and decided that doing a Movie on these would be the way to go instead of returning to the Alien Franchise.
This proved to be a mistake of sorts.... mainly due to the Time-Line the AVP movie was set in and some of its Plot
Indeed Timmy a lot of that stuff would have been nice..
But sometimes as far as the deleted scenes, they are cut down simply to shrink a movie to a suitable running time at the box office... I cant see how adding some of them would have made a big difference though.
Also there are other extended scenes shot that we have not seen yet and are not included in even the deleted scenes as some of them are cut down versions of the full scenes.
But we had the same thing with Prometheus... we as of yet have not seen all the full uncut scenes from that movie too.
This was some Concept work done by Vitaly Bulgarov who worked on a number of Projects included the Robocop Reboot.
But as far as i am aware the Xenomorph in Question was just a Personal Project and he was never approached by the Production to do any designs.
I dont think it would have looked like that custom made Xenomorph figure/statue etc.
I would say a Xenomorph Face Hugger can not infect a Xenomoph and would not also infect one either.. now a Face Hugger on a Neomorph is a whole different kettle of fish.
However..... we have to wonder what happens if the Sacrificial Goo infects a Face Hugger and the results applied to a Xenomorph ;)
People can just Google "Ron Cobb Alien Concept" even add ships and it will find these for you.
Its interesting as some of his work was clearly influential in Alien Covenant, from slight similarities with the Lander and some of his work, to the same with the Covenant ship which i had mentioned and shared some of those images in a previous post prior to AC hitting the Box Office... Also the Covenant Bridge is very similar to some of Ron Cobbs Nostromo Bridge concept works.
Lucky they never used Ron Cobbs Alien Monster Concepts though lol
totally agree with IRaptus
The Fire and Stone comics were intended to be Canon, but they are Canon in a Persudo way as taking them as Canon would also mean that Predators belong in the Alien Franchise Universe.
Also Fire and Stone Comics to contradict/cause continuity errors with the Alien movies Canon. And so i never considered them Canon.
@ Thombach
Please stop being professionally wrong. Macro view means ZOOMED OUT, as in "Macroscopic". Micro view means zoomed in, that's why you use a "Microscope" to see small things *face palm*.
Those motes are tiny insects which fly about in tiny swarms. The swarm (macro view) can change shape, but not the tiny insects (micro view). Why is this hard to understand? Also ..the black goo in David's bombing scene, shows no sign of "swarming" at all...it is not flying about in a directed group or groups, which is what swarms are....it is raining down on mass and hitting engineers. You are using the wrong words. Raining drops of black goo do not make a swarm. Rain doesn't come down in swarms, it comes down in torrents. You'll be calling it a "flock" next. Jeez.
"small flying objects" - Those are small particles of black goo. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I honestly don't believe the beast or the engineers or the pathogen will play a big role in the future, Ridley is only using them like accessories to his stories now and yes, I like the way he tells the stories. They are beautifully crafted accessories that can easily distract the viewer from the story.
There have to be some continuity and coherence from one movie to another, but for me this is not the most important aspect. I rather enjoy each movie for what it offers.
I regret I got too involved in some of the arguments here and probably at times I am perceived as a loud hater but what really matters to me know, regarding the future of this franchise, is to have Ridley Scott do the next movie (s). John Logan too.
amazing attention to detail. Would just like to walk around and admire it all lol
Michelle Johnston I agree with your view of the creature as a weapon. I'm not sure now of Ridley's view after seeing Advent, where David threatened they will rule the Galaxy. Will they be made into a civilization?
They seem at best some kind of parasitic species that are so different from one another because they take the traits of the hosts they come across.
It seems illogical to think they can have a queen because eggs themselves are not sufficient to perpetuate the species in this particular case. They need hosts but with hosts eggmorphing is good enough.
I know you dislike this discussion about queen vs eggmorphing but we need to clarify some of the questions raised by Advent video.
Michelle Johnston I am glad you noticed that I try not to give a definitive answer because that leaves the door open for more things to discover. I am sure your vision and my vision can coexist. However I think your approach is much more humanistic and spiritual than Ridley's, which is a good thing, because it would polish the rough ends in Covenant. I also like how you describe the different chapters of your proposed Prometheus trilogy as "movements" as it it was a "symphony of life".
Redemption
The simple answer is because if you offer episodic cinema, for a character to constantly repeat itself without any movement is uninteresting. Oh thats the series with the mad robot.
Lets not look at all the great box sets that come out of American Television where characters evolve just go with the first three Alien movies.
Ripley
A very interesting analysis of survivorship, PTSD, repressed motherhood, repressed womanhood and sacrifice.
A L I E N creature
It is a parasite that has acid for blood and involved face huggers, chest bursters and possibly morphing and possibly Queens for creation. Is it any wonder the entire story of the franchise when it focuses on the creature keeps on stumbling and fanboys keep on quoting lines from A L I E N S and the glorious past. if you want to emerge out of the haunted house and grow your audience bad tempered creatures and mad robots will not do it.
I like the idea that you offer thought proving ideas with no conclusive answer on the actual question of how you define life but your ideas are for want of a better word engaging in the Prometheus way, rather than descriptive in the direction Covenant is heading. What is really important is you giving some proper meaning to the one survivor from Prometheus.
Personally I just do not think the creature is interesting enough to give it more prominence. It was the cargo not the pilot from the very beginning but your approach that the Engineers are in some way co equivalent would work much better for the fan base than my view which is the same as Ridleys - its a weapon or those who created it and engage with it think it is.
I dont think Alien needs sequels.I`d like to see 6 movies Ridley was planning.
Maybe that's why David created the facehugger, it's designed for blood-circulated organisms. :D
I love the first queen scene in AR. The way the camera pans from the scientists to the queen is so dope.
btw I think ALIENS vs ALIEN3 would be a great comparison.
I never thought of it but would love to see a series on the company, sounds good to me!
Imagine it, it would be one nasty f***er!
I thought the black goo was a form of AI from what we saw in the extras for Covenant and Covenant itself? Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm unsure and not trying to cause consternation! I'm just a bit confused, if this is true then the AI theory might not be relevant!
I think a TV series which tells a background/story about Weyland would be fantastic.
Blackwinter-witch Thank you so much, I always cherish your encouragement!!! That is part of my Draft #1 of a script I actually registered with the WGA. The good thing about it is that it can also turn into a film which doesn't take place in the Alien universe.
What if a Xeno stepped on a Mote?
And done, both have been edited-in to the front-piece area :D
Very nice, you have a really good idea regarding the Engineers, I like it, and your ideas are logical as well as very creative, and your descriptive ability is quite satisfying!
REALLY thought-provoking, and VERY Dark!! I like it!!! Very imaginative and original!
lol IMO anything with a "VS" is not canon. Extended Universe at best. Just no to this Batman vs Alien.
Dark Horse Alien Comics = Extended Universe
in case you want, here is the link for batman vs aliens. just for laughs.
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Batman-Aliens/Issue-1?id=68298#1
cool. good stuff Timmy the ultramorph. They definitely ended up with a winning design
alot of people would probably find this really boring but i would like to see a completely company based movie with very few xenomorph things. would pretty much put you through a day in an average weyland yutani worker. mabyr a scientist who is studying the xenos or something.
Is the next artical going to be alien vs alien 3. I feal that there is not really much to discuss although I like alien 3 assebaly cut just as much as alien.
queen isn't bad, just has nothing on eggmorphing.
aliens by far. there is something that has always bothered me in alien resurrection. I think its mostly the creatures. look at this image of a chestburster at the beginning.
they do not look like chestbursters to me and they look much worse than all the other designs. the regular xenomorphs are so slimy you cant see their biomachanical creatures and it takes away their beauty in my opinion. here is a comparison.
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1997:
the one really cool scene to me is when the xenomorphs are swimming.
I have always hated the newborn from the moment I saw it.
I also felt like the acting from sigorny weaver and winona ryder wasn't very good.
Alien resurrection: 3/10
aliens: 8.5/10
Definitely hope there will be an Alien Isolation movie soon. It would be pretty awesome if they keep the 70s setting/mood as appeared in the game. And I suggest Rebecca Hall to play Amanda.
probably just be fan art but it makes me wonder what exactly trying to make here. a mutated ultramoprh perhaps?
