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BigDave said, "so i am pretty sure with Gigers work there is something we can revert back to... and have the Engineers also merely being a Race Created for a Purpose.. a Sacrificial Purpose."
To me, this sounds like that is what the story is planned on being. The reason being is found in the first scene of Prometheus. The Engineer in the cloak is standing all by himself with the cup that will tear his DNA a part. He looks up at a spacecraft which we viewers have never seen before. It's almost like he is thinking as he looks back at the cup that will kill him, "This is what I am supposed to do whether I like it or not." As the spacecraft starts to ascend into space he thinks, "I better drink up. This is my purpose." He then starts dying and is in shock of what is happening to his arm. He's never seen this before. The pain doesn't matter as much as what is happening to him. He stands till his legs break and falls in the water until he turns molecular.
I think that is why they only left him on the planet and took out the other cloaked Engineer figures. The way it was released just would simplify the interpretation.
Hopefully we figure out what that ship was, but most likely we won't. I think a good prequel sequel will not connect the dots and have the movie stand on it's own in addition to being the connecting prequel to Alien and the final sequel to the previous prequels. Having the movies stand on their own is something I think Ridley is trying to do with all the prequels. I mean, Prometheus and Alien: Covenant are very different from one another. So, I am expected the same variety in the Alien: Awakening.
I do hope Fox doesn't blow the chance to reboot the Alien franchise without Ridley Scott motivating everyone. They have the chance to bring anything and whoever they want into it's production. It's exciting, really. Hopefully Ridley will put the Alien franchise down after Alien: Awakening.
VivisectedEngineer Aliens has so many good one liners- Have you ever been accused of being a man? No- have you? We have nukes, knives, sharp sticks! The list goes on and on!
This isn't even close. 1 of the best in the series vs 1 of the worst.
Aliens all day everyday
I enjoy both but I've got to go with Aliens because Bishop. :)
I really haven't sensed much hate for Aliens around here, but AR- yes. I would urge haters to give it another go as there is some of the darkest material of the Quadrilogy in there.
Ressurection! It's a bit mor eout there. Both are movies I enjoy, but why not go for the weirder movie!
joylitt Ouch!
OP- I definitely have to say Aliens- Director's Cut. I like AR just fine, but having to choose, it seems pretty obvious to me.
BTW- when will we ever see the final creature NOT get sucked into space?
joylitt I enjoy them both, for their own reasons. Aliens has a more exciting story but Resurrection just has a really slick artistic style about it.
I was tempted to say IRaptus, there is no moral equivalence!!!!
I don't hate Resurrection (I think it's fun) but my vote goes for Aliens of course.
Alien Resurrection for me
Good to see a mix of Covenant and Prometheus likers. Shows both films have their merits :)
I think you found a great balance between making the Neomorph threatening, whilst also showing the power and strength of the Engineers - particularly a Warlord/Commander.
I think the true strength of the Neomorphs is in their ability to rapidly multiply and overwhelm any prey in its environment with violence and chaos.
A swarm hunter.
Thanks- I accidentally stumbled onto a solution and it works now! I see the extras aren't there though.
ali81 I I imagine the Engineers see the Deacon Organism as either an Abomination, or with holy reverence (religious sacrifice?).
In either case, human intervention/meddling would only piss them off.
noooooo!
I've honestly never had that problem.
Most certainly IndyFront. Thank you for that. I'm one of the fans of Alien 3 too. That movie had such a strong cast.
Yes, the image does look a little like a bloom.
Sothoth, I think when Ali81 is talking about the swarming he means from David's bombing, not the leaky urns from Prometheus. I just watched Covenant again today in HD and I agree. There are definitely small flying objects swarming through the air.
I think you misunderstood kethol too. He was quoting from the John Logan script, which I read yesterday, not the movie canon. I does indeed say that about the mote-midge things changing form, and David says in the script that the insect form came later. Also the words MACRO VIEW in the script means an up close enlarged view. Zoomed in, not zoomed out.
Michelle Johnston you are spot on as usual. Of course my vision leans more to the materialistic. But there will be a human side to this story too, and a synthetic side. And in the end a moral dilemma, because humans and robots may get to a point when they will be in the position of the engineers. Do you own your soul forever? Could the spiritual be a phase you go through? Could you really ever understand God? There will definitely be a non violent encounter between humans and engineers.
David 8's comments on the Engineer's ways certainly makes me think there is much more to their horrible existence ali81.
That is another reason I'm excited about next month's prequel book release. It was a little hypocritical for David 8 to point a finger with his compassion record but I can't wait to find out what David 8 knows of the Engineer's ways.
We might get an answer as to which planet was shown (and where it is) on the opening of Prometheus too.
@dk
O_O Oh man! Now I can't decided whether I should wait to watch it with my friends, or go ahead and dive into the extras without them, lol.
VivisectedEngineer I plan to rewatch tonight and only got through about 1/4 of the extras.
plus their vengeance isn't aimed solely at david, his creators and the humans on the covenant will also pay
I don't think there are anymore blank versions of david or any active ones for him to download himself into so I think he can be destroyed. remember a typical engineer just twisted and popped his head off with little effort
Movie fan Elizabeth Shaw is David's experiment, a sort of a matrix which he hopes will help link the xenomorph and the human lineages.
so, it has been cut from the film, then there is no shield. so ur point on it is mute??
Do you mean the shield and satellites being canon? Not canon at all, since it was all cut. The movie basically made all that out to be a really bad storm.
I can definitely see why Ridleys comments would get u thinking, I got me thinking for a moment as well. id still say for the plot it would be earth. though a thought, maybe the opening scene is planet 4, and those who seeded earth were their offspring? a weird way for the engineers to procreate AND seed worlds after a point in time where they have grown tired of sacrificing themselves?
Thank you everybody who liked this. I value your opinion very highly. The objective of my story would be first and foremost, to "redeem" the xenomorph, rethink the role of David, and finally to incorporate new ideas that won't contradict any Alien movie or prequel. I think it is time for real sci-fi, drifting away from Mary Shelley's Frankenstein and going back to hard sci fi. Simply a much needed change of tone. The story would span 2000 years, following two different storylines.
I'm all in on IRaptus 's Grand Scale Trilogy idea, replete with those individuals mentioned being, quote, "in the room".
Lol @ joylitt stepping on Jonesy 's tail!
Tough call dk , but I'd have to go with Covenant.
I've just bought the DVD and haven't gotten to watch all the special features yet.
My friends and I are planning a little Covenant viewing party this weekend.
ur so right monster my man. Prometheus opened the universe right up. the general is going after the covenant then he plans to go to earth and finish the job he was tasked with.
Well, now I see why their budget went so high, but its a shame we didn't get to see the "quality" come through because apparently it ended up like shite on film after all that work. How else do you explain getting mostly CGI for the main print?
@dk
Still too soon to tell, unfortunately! I'm just under 11 weeks, and gender can't be discerned until 16 weeks. I do want to know - I'd like to find out with one of those gender-reveal cakes the ones that're pink or blue on the inside. I'm always in favor of any excuse for cake.
We've told my husband's family!
I told two friends at work, my first day back for professional development. One of them stood up in the middle of the library and made a big announcement during a staff meeting so now the entire school faculty knows.
That's actually fine because right afterwards a bunch of people volunteered to help me out if need be, or cover my duty if I had morning sickness. I probably never would have figured out how to tell anyone otherwise, and my friend probably knew that :P
Then I told all my temple friends.
I haven't told anyone in my family yet though, lol. ...Not my mom, dad, step-mom, nor any of my sisters... They all live at least four hours away from me, so it's not impractical. I love my family a lot but... if one of them finds out they all will, and some of them are literal David-level psychopaths...
"Thank you for the great discussion on black goo forms ali81."
Oh no ali81...I was sincere in regards to the discussion. I was sarcastic-huffy earlier in the topic when discussing the planets but please know I appreciate the contribution from you.
Black goo is definitely on topic but I wanted to point out Kethol's topic above on the subject because it is so thorough. For real, thank you and please discuss as you wish.
"yes ridley says he gets annoyed everyone automatically puts it on earth and true, it could be anywhere and just showing us the process. but then why not earth if, if the plot of Prometheus is humans, created on earth, are searching for our makers?"
Ridley Scott's comments were why I was convinced that the opening scene of Prometheus was not Earth.
"From within each seed, comes the promise of a flower".
When the urns melt, the black goo sort of churns about and flows out down the sides, onto those worms. I wouldn't say the stuff "swarms" dude. When David rains it down on the engineers, it just rains down on them....like rain would....also blowing in the wind. Rain never comes straight down. These are drops of black goo, not insects. Sorry dudes.
How does one get revenge on a synth?
Can David be killed? Wonder if he has back up bodies on Earth/Mars. His 'Soul' is probably uploaded. The Engineers might think they killed him(after catching the Covenant).....Best the Engineers destroy the Covenant and then Earth.
I'd probably have Walter kill the general...Protecting Earth and maybe his wayward brother?
So many plots to be written!
Definitely Prometheus.
cheers iraptus, like I say I can be computer illiterate at times and not sure how to create those individual links
