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I watched the second lab video after posting the topic Thombach...the link is in the comments above...and here below.
See the "Flora and Fauna" below.
Such beautiful creatures.
Thombach Thank you for clarifying. I did notice that the Xeno head and suit looked rather dry as did the 1979 model. In both movies, it can be observed how they are pretty much sprayed to give the wet and shiny look.
I don't mean the design. I mean the detail and paint colors look kind of, meh. Cheap. Giger's alien suit was a work of art.
But I know this stuff was mostly just to have on set, not to actually be used in the movie, so I suppose they did go the extra mile.
Excellent article. Thanks for the link.
The latest issue of Cinefex has a good article of the Covenant effects as well.
It makes you wish they had shown more of the Xeno/Proto to appreciate all the work that went into it's development.
I like the touch of the Neomorph's having vestigial eyes, Ill have to have a close look for them next watch
But you would almost need to know it is there, the texture is ever so slightly darker so when we animated it
That is a lot to take in. However, a brief scan shows just how much work, research etc went into what we see. Even studying how a tiger attacks is interesting to watch imagining it from a movie making angle.
Thombach They explained in the video it deliberately looked more biological than mechanical.
Am I missing something? Where is the Flora and Fauna part in the lab video?
Maybe it is just me, but that does not look that great. Kind of low quality compared to the head and suit used in the original.
There is a deleted scene on the Covenant DVD that I think makes sense of Milburn's behavior in this scene. He finds one of the little worms things swimming in the room they take their helmets off in. He holds one and is so excited about finding the first off world life form ever that he is almost peeing his pants. When he sees the hammerpede he is acting the same way. I think he is maybe trying to show off a bit to Fifield too?
Anyone remembering 4h 40min extended Lord of the rings 3?
My daughter had that- I called it LOTR 3, The Decubitus Cut.
Kudos to those airlines! Good to see Fox is covering the bases in that regard.
sherris- extended cut pay $ or a £ more. see how many the FULL version gets
That is a great idea. I imagine even casual viewers would pay extra since they might sense they are missing out on something.
I had discussed before where potentially the movie could go, and i can give a broad estimated Synopsis, as i think the potential is for the next movie to end up being something a bit close to ALIENS...
Example Company sends in a Ship that arrives at a Set Up Colony before the colonist discover Davids Dark Secret and so we have a Colony Partially Built where the Colonist are trying to Barricade themselves from Davids Horrors.. Be this be the other group are on the Covenant, or are on Origae-6
The Company arrive to find the Colonist trying to Protect themselves, and in other area of the Colony or a Cave near by David has set up his own little Nursery of Eggs.
And then latter we see the incoming Engineers maybe with Walter.
It would set up a 3rd movie, where the Company and eradicated maybe the Colonist too, or captured by the Engineers and then the Engineers attempt to take Davids Creation away.
18th September before i can order anyway as thats the UK release Date, and so i should be able to scrape £15 by then ;)
@Drucea
Daniels and Jacob had been planning the mission for 10 years and a lot of surveillance work etc had been done on Origae-6 and so i will assume Origae-6 is indeed Origae-6
The good thing in Australia is that it is Father's Day next weekend. Watch the DVD/BR sales go through the roof here :)
I hope they are not just going to use this as a Easter Egg and no more and that it indeed will link with the next movie.
Indeed its interesting with all these Special Orders and Transmissions. I am puzzled to why the video has Origae-6 mentioned?
A oversight?
Is David trying to persuade the Company that Paradise is Origae-6 which clearly the Covenant is far from Origae-6 and so the Company would know Planet 4 is not the location of Origae-6
So is David hiding where he was on Planet 4? Is he trying to show these Experiments and Life, as what he discovered on Origae-6.... which in itself must mean this Message is sent after David arrives on Origae-6
There are a lot of things to consider, because we know he is off to Origae-6 and it will take 7.5 years, does David want the company to intercept him before he gets to Origae-6?
Why does David not create and experiment on the Covenant and then take the Ship to the Company...
Nope it all appears David is trying to get the company to arrive at Origae-6, but is David merely going to Turn up at Origae-6 with Tons of Eggs on the Ship?
I will assume David has a Plan to Proceed as Planned and Pretend to be Walter, and help start the set of a Colony before David then sends such messages, or sends them allowing enough time for when the company can possibly arrive.. that David would have a Human Colony set up..
And then he proceeds to unleash his creations.
Darn it..... wish i had a copy... i have to save up to order one, i was hoping to get one this month but to more Serious Financial Outgoings i may have to wait another few weeks or a Month :(
Thanks Ingeniero, completely forgot about that little bit.
Just thinking in text now, I'm trying to come up with a scenario where David would have been able to swap Origae-6 and Planet 4 either in WY's plans, or somehow made WY think they were headed off to Origae-6 with the Covenant ship, only to be intercepted by David as they passed "near" his planet (Planet 4).
The only thing I'm not sure how to place, is at the end of the movie when David tells MUTHUR to head to Origae-6. Maybe the real Origae-6 is Planet 4, and the real Planet 4 or Engineer homeworld is Origae-6. It would make sense that they would have been able to scan and find a habitable planet, but not be able to detect if there is or was life there already. This is probably not even close to right but I wanted to type it out just in case.
Indeed Sherris... good point regarding the Age Certification, Alien Covenant could have been made more Gory that would require a Age 18 to see it, but this then reduces a potential number of viewers... hence a Cert 15 or equivalent opened up the Movie to the 15-18 year olds..
Its all about trying to cover a larger Market Share, rather than Pleasing the Alien Fanbase.
Very Nice Work...
I would like to see something like this explored in the future movies, it is what i assumed was the Engineer from Prometheus Trailers, when we saw the Engineer Standing over Dr Shaw.
As at this time this scene looked like the Engineer was not much larger than her.... when we thought the Engineers being Space Jockeys would be 10ft+
But alas once we saw the Movie in 2012 we find out it was just a 7.5ft Engineer, but i did back when the trailers came out.. i wondered if David combined himself with Engineer Bio-Technology and he managed to make himself more than a Robot... and so like Pinocchio wanting to be more than a Wooden Puppet and a Real Boy.
David Evolves himself and connects to the Engineer Suits and off he goes to Earth, but then he Ultimately gets infected with Shaws Baby Squid and i thought this was the Spoon Fed Xenomorph Origin Explanations we was going to get.
This however was not the case..... HOWEVER.. its not to say similar could be explored in Future.
Nice to see this video again... such a shame that not so much Practical stuff made it to the Movie... i wonder what a extra $10-20M Budget and 8-12 weeks more Production time would have allowed as far as Perfect and use more Practical Effects
I hope this kind of criticism is one of the Things FOX takes on board and gives us more Practical effects in the next movie
Well at the time of Prometheus i assumed the Acid Blood was a Trait passed on from the Xeno-Strain Black Goo Pathogen... and the Regeneration was simply the Black Goo taking the useful traits of a Organism and Evolving them while Replacing other Traits with Xeno-Strain Traits.
But indeed the idea in Logans Draft was that the Xenomorph had Regenerative Ability and Ridley Scott had suggested the Dead Xenomorph in Alien Covenant would Regenerate itself.
Indeed Milburn the Steve Irwin of the Alien Franchise ;)
To be fair though, there have a been a number of discussions on how to attempt to address a good reason for the Space Cobra Petting, being pretty excited, being hand selected by Vickers...
And well Yog thats not one i have heard before.. but that is interesting if the Organism has some kind of Hypnotic ability that causes a Host to Acquiesce to the Organism. Certainly would be a useful Trait to have for the Purpose of Procreative Life Cycle of a Face Hugger type event... if the Hammerpedes Procreate similar.
The Prometheus Re-write i was working on, had Milburn discover smaller worms like in the "Our First Alien" Deleted Scene, when they enter the room he discovers some small worms and goes to study them and put them into a container for Study when they get to the Ship and then he notices a Larger one like the "Our First Alien" Deleted Scene and is all excited, despite Fifields Hesitation, Milburn rushes over to capture it and Fifield says dont touch it... Milburn mentions they have their Suits that would protect them and he grabs the Larger Worm (Similar to the Deleted Scene size) and as its covered in Black Goo its slippy and it grows a bit in his hand and so he drops it, he then goes to get it again and Fifield is saying leave it... so he takes his eyes off where he is facing and slips over some of the Goo and Lands on all Fours..
This is when he then notices the Two Hammerpedes, and he comments on here must me Mommy... the Hammerpede Aproaches and Stands up to Fifield and Hisses and Milburn warns Fifield to not make any sudden movements, Fifield moves and the Hammerpede Turns towards him and so Milburn wistles at the Hammerpede and Waves his hand to get its attention. They both stair at each other (Milburn and Hammerpede) about 4-5 feet away... the Hammerpede then unfolds its raised/flared parts of its head... Milburn senses as with Cobras this is a sign its relaxed.
Then we have the dialog where Milburn is talking to it from the movie.... then Fifield gets Milburns Attention and as Milburn takes his Eyes off the Hammerpede it Darts towards him and as a Reaction Milburn puts out his hand and grabs it...
The Hammerpede then seems to calm down.... Milburn is very intrigued but then... BAM the Hammerpede Tightens around his Arm and the rest of the Scene is the same as the Movie.
Its little changes like this i was making to make better explanation to such scenes... that would have made much more sense..
DG, that is a great comparison in "a sense of wonder" that drove Millburn compared to the late (and very great) Steve Irwin.
Thank you also for the analysis. The black goo really brings out the worst in an organism. It seems to take away the need for nutrition other than a need to devour humans.
The bowl you mention above drucea is a lavender-like balm David 8 made to counter the ammonia smell from the eggs below. He convinced Captain Oram to rub some of it below his nose to relax him in preparation for the horror of a facehugger he met shortly after.
@Thombach - You are correct. It was Damon Lindelof who explained the Hammerpede origin on the Prometheus commentary.
"When this goop, as a result of being exposed to the atmosphere when they unseal it (the ampule room) interacts with these worms, those worms grow into much larger and nastier worms that have the capability of infecting the humans who come in contact with them - Milburn and Fifield."
Basically, just douse the animal in that form of the pathogen and it mutates. Same thing was happening to Fifield.
you're welcome fox :)
I think Milburn had good intentions as a person, but he was always naïve at heart. Look at how quick he was to make friends with Fifield at the beginning; other people would have gotten the hint at first glance that Fifield wasn't the friendly type, but Milburn sat down and tried to make nice anyway. On top of that, he's kind of like the late Steve Irwin in the sense that his innate sense of wonder and curiosity outweighed his sense of caution. Everyone knows how many times Irwin approached dangerous and aggressive creatures, knowing full well what they could do, and tried to handle them anyway (unfortunately, that eventually led to his demise as well). At the end of the day, I've settled into the conclusion that Miburn was probably a smart biologist, but too trusting for his own good.
In regards to the fundamental relationship between the Neomorph and the Hammerpede, I think you're spot on. If the black goo weaponizes living things down to the genetic level, whoever or whatever it affects would take on similar properties (white, translucent skin, regenerative capabilities, pure aggression, etc). I also noticed that the Hammerpede and Neomorph have mouths similar to anuses; I don't know if that was intentional or not, but there are already vaginal and penile attributes galore in the Alien universe, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched if that were true.
Was David 8's lab and "Flora and Fauna of Origae-6" sent before the Covenant crew left Earth or at least before they arrived on the planet David 8 is on?
Did David 8 send this message from a secure link inside himself to guide the mission to his planet?
How would David 8 film this on the way out?
There are multiple special orders flashed in David 8's message to Weyland-Yutani Corporation.
And why would it be labelled as Flora and Fauna of Origae-6 if they haven't been there yet? Now I'm hoping they release teasers like this all the way up to the next movie to keep me entertained at work.
Not sure if it was in the movie, but did anyone catch this as David went down into his lab? On the wall of the stairs looks like the Engineers sacrificial bowl with cup in it setting on a shelf. Also, I wonder what he means by the never meant to serve quote. Is David revealing there really is some kind of sub-programming waiting to be unlocked (to be able to create)? Or is it one of his delusions that he was actually meant to be a god?
dk cooking up some spam, I see! Thanks!
You're great Ati. I should have read closer.
Please tell me what "Flora and Fauna of Origae-6" means?
Is this an answer to planet confusion?
The issue is that David's studies appear to happen on Origae-6 according to the title flashed.
Cosmonaut-Copper - I'm looking forward to your next Alien Covenant project. :) Your deleted flute scene video is the number one for me at the moment. :D
Cosmonaut-Copper - I hope Fox will reveal their future plans after the Japanese opening in September.
I'm so happy! This are good news yes? Can we get a new movie now.. I don't want to wait years again.
