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33 minutes too long. 

Just read the novel if you need more details. 

I vote Carry On

I always liked that big tanker model- it was huge but we only ever saw less than ten people on board. That is fascinating to me.

also

Interesting how Lindelof says "infecting". Obviously that hammerpede was trying to have sex with Milburn (when it went in his mouth), and implant it's version of trilobite in him. Who knows if it was successful, cuz Milburn died anyway.

Oh OK @ Kethol. I retract my previous theory about hammerpedes coming from worm eggs. That is good evidence...I'm just still trying to work out what that thing was in Holloway's eye. I had a theory that it might be a baby hammerpede. But obviously that can't be the case. Maybe it was a tiny trilobite, before it left him during sex?

Prometheus = no 'Alien' pre-fix
Prometheus 2 = no 'Alien' pre-fix
Alien: Covenant = yes 'Alien' pre-fix

agreed and amended dk :) 

Looks like another one sided result Gavin

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Timmy the ultramorph Yes. R8 said I am a stranger here myself. Great way to spring board into another chapter.

 helps us gauge our own view of this franchise against those of others

What does that mean?

although I don't particularly like alien resurrection, I think there could be another trilogy braching off of it. the xenos are now on earth, the earth is destroyed and the weyland yutani corperation is gone. i was thinking post apoclipse kind of film with xenos

And i vote BigDave and Blackwinter-witch be in that room lol. 

I would put Michelle Johnston in there too.....It would be the only way to be sure.

And then Chris comes in to give final approval.

David was the only great thing about Prometheus. Carrying all that creative weight, there is little wonder why he was so angry and sadistic during Covenant.

my vote is Carry On.

The Ripley Trilogy 

The original trilogy + Resurrection as a future spin-off works perfectly fine. Although grim there is a neat, tidy, logical and satisfying story of Ripley going from a blue-collared spacer to the defiant, self-sacrificing heroine of Alien 3.

The David Trilogy

Same goes for the Prequel's, providing Riddlers can tie all the loose ends and overt ambiguity into one big epic tale. Covenant has the feel of a bridging film; between the expansive and insightful Prometheus, to whatever the third film ends up being....Hopefully definitive and grand.

But Fox can't be tempted into bringing Ripley or Family into these prequels. No pre-destiny crap. 

The Grand Scale Trilogy

Following the conclusion of Ridley Scott's prequels FOX have an opportunity to start a new chapter without need of a re-boot. The deliberate ambiguity of David/Engineer story and the mystery and personal vendetta of Ripleys story allows them to do whatever they choose going forward.

They should really do an expansive grand scale saga and really open the Alienverse up. Introduce us to the worlds and civilisations that exists within it, the threats, exploration and diplomacy of the major players etc.

Move away from the claustrophobic scale of the previous trilogies but increase the magnitude of threat from the xeno's and/or Engineers.

Put Earth on the line.

Set the franchise up to equal the scale and grandeur of other big franchise but keep to its suspense/horror/mystery roots. 

But no more piece-meal or ad hoc scripts. Lock a bunch of writers in a room and don't let them out until they have a comprehensive, logical well written saga that is not short-sighted and contradictory.

And i vote BigDave, Michelle Johnston and Blackwinter-witch be in that room lol.   

Gavin- I say Carry On. Alien has a history that should not be tampered with. Late comers can check for themselves. Sorry to sound less than objective, but the franchise thus far should not change to accommodate noobs quite honestly. The franchise can continue- fine. Leave what has been done.......done. 

I will go with where things go, but the past should not be changed imho.

Nice topic for discussion/debate. Up voted.

I have already been down the road trying to explain neutrinos, stellar flares, and novas on this subject, so I'll just  interject something from John Logan's script. The dialogue is basically what we got in the final film, but Logan's description adds to it. Make of it what you will.

DAVID
But if I may ask, Captain, why does your vessel contain terraforming equipment? Are you a mining ship?

ORAM
We’re a colony mission.

There’s a sudden flicker in David’s eyes. Excitement. Quickly masked. But DANIELS notes it.

DAVID
Really? How extraordinary. How many colonists?

ORAM
Oh -- 3,600 more or less.

DAVID
So many good souls! Well, well,
well ...

And later Walter and Daniels have this conversation...

WALTER
Why would he lie?

DANIELS
(leans in) I don’t know, but for someone who’s incapable of feeling pleasure or displeasure he seemed excited as hell to find we’re a colony ship.

And later when Walter confronts David, just before they fight  -

WALTER
You sent the message from Dr. Shaw. As a lure.

DAVID
Humans are so predictable, aren’t they? They cannot resist a mystery. Give them a knot, they must unpick it. Give them Pandora’s box and, well...

It is explained in the script that David could not leave the planet because of a planetary shield. That is why the Covenant communications did not work well. He says he did have some limited power from the metal device on the cathedral roof, but not much in the way of technology because the Engineers did not have much.

carry on. Ridley has a good thing going on with the prequels in my opinion. 

after the prequals are done, I was thinking a series of anthology movies or spinoffs that expand on the universe and suddly tie into the main timeline.

Very nice work and it fits well with what I'd love to see resolved in Alien: Awakening. Thank you.

...I don't want to wait until 2019 though. 

Now I regret not gathering more screen grabs from "The Secrets of David's Lab: Such Beautiful Creatures.".

One thing that stood out that I cited above was the number of special orders that flashed by (less than a second each) in the confirmation opening the link connecting David 8 and Weyland-Yutani Corporation.

I was able to get one (see above) and the screen below.

There is now a new video without "of Origae-6" in the Flora and Fauna slide (see below).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V9c7cb3w8E

"Experimental Trials"

Very good, I think I found the knowledge I needed. I will see and refer some information in your post. thank you.

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VivisectedEngineer yes curious, have you made the big announcement yet?! That is an exciting time :)

Yes I agree. I would say FOX will be nervous to invest much more in this direction. They'll want to wrap it up an move on pretty quickly I imagine

The video went private Thombach and joylitt.

I'm glad I was able to get screen grabs before it did.

Haha.  Good one!

tommyhulk Sincerely remove yourself and your spam post

I want closure before becoming worm food quite honestly.

I doubt he'll get 6 now. Looks like AC will make a tidy profit but not enough to warrant that many films.

We will likely get one more prequel movie to tie it all up, then off in another direction.....hopefully not involving Ripley, or any of her family, or clones.

VivisectedEngineer A month later from last post- drone or Queen? Newborn? Or do you just want to see what happens? At any rate, I am happy for you!

Six films to join up with Alien?........sigh.

Does this meen that ridley will be able to do his 6 planned films?

I am hoping they start shooting the next one within a year.

In what video does it say Origae 6. I just saw "Flora and fauna"

I believe that it is 100% conspiracy even if we just go by the events presented in the original 1979 Alien film.  The only doubt in my mind comes from nobody admitting it, but who's going to do that?

Weyland's personality has definitely rubbed off on David.

@Woolson

Thanks!!!

I think s/he'll be a little small for a xeno, maybe like a baby xeno/chestburster, or a facehuger. Also, I was thinking of wearing one of those shirts that has like, an x-ray of a chest burster?

Thanks I Moon Girl ! Oh man, it certainly was an awesome cake and a great birthday. I felt very blessed to host the perfect organism!

Like...not host it personally, but host it at my party :D

Nice pics. Keep in mind the video stated there were seven models and we only saw one. I have to give points to the original since design and available materials were likely more limited back then.

I don't know. Wet or dry, the crafsmanship on the original was all kinds of awesome. maybe I'm just too used to looking at it and everything else looks wrong.

Firstly, you talk about how solar flares and CME’s from our Sun aren’t very powerful, but you are ignoring the whole universe.  I thought I made it clear in my summary above that solar flares (and naturally CME’s) are can be much, much, much, much, much, much, etc., etc. more powerful than our Sun.  This has been even proven by unexpected findings in our universe where scientist only know of those super powerful solar flares because of chance accident.  Don’t limit your research to what our Sun can do because the universe is huge and there are multiple kinds stars which people are still learning about.  After reading what you have written, I think you already know this?

The reason neutrino bursts from our Sun haven’t been detected is because neutrino’s are very hard to detect, PERIOD.  People have to construction massive neutrino scanning machines in old gold mines just to get a clear reading since the only thing that could penetrate a deep gold mine from space is a neutrino.  Actually, I don’t know if neutrino’s from our Sun’s solar flares could hurt a human.  I don’t know, but what I do know is that the typical neutrino released from our Sun does not hurt a human on Earth.

When comparing to the size of universe, 1 AU is a very small distance.  I am sure the Walter would have noticed that the star that turned supernova (that’s if a star did turn supernova) was getting quite larger than the previous data recorded during the Covenant planning stages.  Walter is a computer, so I wouldn’t throw that past him and I woudn’t doubt it if he had to study nearby stars and planets for science and for safety or maybe Mother would do the studying with some futuristic technology.

The gravitational interference was described by Walter as the reason why the neutrino burst was detected so late.  The neutrino burst would have been detected sooner and the ship could’ve possibly been prepped for impact as much as possible if the sensors where scanner through space unaffected by gravitational interference.

I do see trying to avoid a supernova as being extra cautious, but I would assume that this mission, if it could, should be taking the safest route to Origae-6.  Supernova’s, as of our lives timeframe, are unpredictable, but, and it’s a big but, that might change very soon.  I might share this info a little later or you might have heard of it yourself.  Supernova’s are a fact of life and I am sure, for the missions sake, the Covenant was planned to take the path of least risk while also considering time.  This is a very important mission according to the movie and novel.

With studying neutrino’s and solar flares, I don’t know how much a person could predict a solar flare.  Maybe neutrino’s get released right before the flares explosion at a small increase in amounts than get released a whole ton when the explosion happens.  I don’t know, but what I do know is that scientists in present times are trying get a reading of neutrino’s with solar flares from our Sun.  So, maybe being able to read neutrino’s from a solar flare may do nothing to help increase our sketchy predicting time for solar flares from our Sun.  What reading neutrino’s from solar flares does, though, is it gives humans the ability to detect solar flares a different way.  So, on the Covenant, nobody has to be watching stars for solar flares because if the ship picks up a neutrino burst, than that means a possible stellar flare occurred.  With a quick analysis of where that burst came from, a person (or robot) could then investigate what is going on.  This is possible because neutrino’s almost travel at exactly the speed of light.  A solar flare and the solar energetic particles (SEP) released from it travels at the most of 80% the speed of light (the fastest of the fastest particles which makes up the SEP do this).  So, a computer can see that a solar flare is coming and would give some time to at least prepare after picking up a neutrino burst.  Still, like you mentioned what Walter said, “it was a random local event that cannot be predicted.”  Yes, solar flares can be predicted up to around 2 days from our Sun, (so in a sense, they are unpredictable), but the solar flares from the stars around the Covenant may not be able to be predicted since there is no reason to watch those stars like we do with our own Sun.  So, maybe the Covenant planning team just thought they would rely on neutrino burst detection for back up and took the safest route to avoid solar flares and CME’s (or supernova’s, if that is what actually happened).

David could learn all about the nearby stars probably through libraries on Planet 4.  I think any advance civilization would at least keep records of nearby stars for their own safety.  It only makes sense.

This is what I think of David’s surprise.  He acted just like we saw him lie to the Covenant crew in Alien: Covenant.  David is evil and I think most people would agree with that.  I don’t understand how anyone could trust David after watching Prometheus, but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.  After watching Alien: Covenant, every Alien franchise fan should know NOT TO TRUST DAVID FOR ANY REASON.  This can even be emphasized by the video that was just released where David is experimenting with Shaw.

The simplest explanation for Alien: Covenant is actually not that simple.  Embarrassingly, I can’t remember my thoughts on that (plus this post is getting long and taking a lot more time than I thought it would).

I would put more time in providing examples, but this post is already way longer than I wanted it to be and I am really don’t feel like spending the time.  Sorry.

The only way I will give up on my theory is if a space scientist explains it to me that what I purpose is impossible (or someone presents hard data that shows it is impossible) or after I rewatch Alien: Covenant and the reasons for creating this theory of mine turn out to be actually not what I thought they were.  That may not be till sometime next week though.  I am trying to wait on someone to watch it with me, but it looks like I will be watching it alone.  I’m watching next week, regardless!

P.S. - Sorry for the long post 

Thanks, but it just tells me the video is unavailable :(

I watched the second lab video after posting the topic Thombach...the link is in the comments above...and here below.

See the "Flora and Fauna" below.

Such beautiful creatures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yL22o9yo9k