I think there was a LOT of Evolution going on from WHERE they at FOX was thinking, to what Spaights had then given in his Pitch...  A lot of Emphasis seemed to be on the Engineers, it maybe is a case that FOX felt that the Xenomorph should play a ROLE...

Spaights had some Background with the Engineers and Mankind that would SPAN to FAR before our Xenomorph came into Play... which seemed to be that came about as some kind of PLAN to deal with Humanity who had became a Concern/Threat to the Engineers at some point.

We dont have the Full Alien 01 Master Narrative or any of Spaights First TWO Drafts... we are made aware that the 4th (Alien Engineers) is a Evolution of the 3rd.

The Impression i get with Alien Engineers and Alien Genesis is they are a PRELUDE to exploring the Engineers more in a Sequel rather than bringing us to ALIEN and Xenomorphs. I get the impression its a Introduction to HOW the Xenomorphs came to be and then we would be going where David and Watts/Shaw would be going.

What we have to REMEMBER is when making a Prequel, that they would be TIED DOWN to a Run-Time and so when you are going to the FINAL STAGE of what to Shoot you have to ask WHAT are we showing and WHERE are we going Next.

So if we have some Big Background Story/Plot about the Engineers and History that is NOT that Fleshed out in Alien Engineers/Genesis.... we have our Would Be Gods and Creation which we play a Role...

We have the Xenomorph which is some Experimental Biological Warfare that was to be USED on Mankind... but resulted in the Space Jockey event...

So they had to look at WHAT is the BIGGER Picture here and the Xenomorph seemed merely a Engineered Bio-Weapon.  With a Sequel do they then Explain WHY this Weapons was Created in more Detail? Do they show MORE of this Weapon? Do they Spoon Feed the Space Jockey Story more?

Or are there other THEMES/PLOT that should be Explored?

If you took ALIEN ENGINEERS etc and gave more Detail into the Xenomorph Origins and those Experiments on LV-426 then there are other NONE Xenomorph parts that would have to be Dropped or Cut  Back.

The Question is then..... WHERE NEXT?

After you have more Xenomorphs than in Alien Engineers, after you have the ORIGINS of them and WHEN/HOW they got on the Derelict (Alien Engineers teases this but its FLAWED.... it simply contradicts LV-426).

It seemed that the BIGGER PICTURE would be the Engineers and their Reasons for Creation...  and so THEY came to a point and FELT that THIS is what the should Concentrate more on and SET-UP to Explore more in Sequels...

We have after all seen the Xenomorph OVER and OVER.. and ONCE you have the ORIGINS shown its WHERE NEXT?

Each Incarnation seemed to be more about the Engineers than Xenomorph and WHEN they decided to get Lindeloff in to HELP to Rework the Story then he said they should  Concentrate more on the other PARTS of the Plot than the Xenomorph.

The Xenomorph was REMOVED and Connections were TONED DOWN... i think in Part it was the Right Move... but it was TONED DOWN too much.

We Ended Up with a MESS of Ambiguity...

Prometheus was the RIGHT IDEA... it just NEEDED to have a bit more of a Connection/Clue to ALIEN so that the DOOR to ALIEN could be Closed..... but the Story and Execution of Lindeloffs Paradise was also FLAWED.

Indeed the RESULT we have is from a Changing of Concept/Idea from the Inception by Dan O'Bannon to the Changes that gave us ALIEN.

By Virtue of the Theatrical Cut having NO EGG MORPH it allowed for James Cameron to think OK we have Eggs, and WELL we see that Eggs are LAID and so the Queen Concept was BORN.

The Original Concept being more ALIEN and more Parasitical

Before we had ALIENS we had those Eggs as something Ambiguous but Ridley Scott saw them as some kind of Bio-Weapon that the Space Jockey was using.

But it was NEVER really explained as to HOW/WHERE/WHEN the Space Jockey had got those Eggs... so all we could Speculate was...

1) They are a Pre-Existing Organism the Space Jockey would take to USE as a Weapon.

2) There was a Pre-Existing Organism the Space Jockey would take to Experiment/Evolve into what became those Eggs.

3) The Space Jockey had Created those Eggs from basically Scratch.

Ridley Scott had a FEW ideas of where he was going to take us back before ALIENS... he had proposed that the Xenomorph could become something Intelligent and KILL all the Crew of the Nostromo and then Mimic the Voice of Ripley to LURE in a Rescue Team.  But this Change/Ending was NOT what FOX and Walter/Hill wanted.

He had wanted to do a Prequel that would look at the Connection of the Space Jockey to the Xenomorph and saw those Eggs being he Remnants of a Once Alien Civilization,( Warlike and Self-Destructive) and he would Explain as to WHO they was and WHY the Space Jockey had them.

Ridley Scott had also wanted to go back to ALIEN after ALIENS but it seemed that he was more interested in Evolving/Exploring the Space Jockey....

James Cameron would have wanted to go to a Xenmomorph Hive World and Evolve on his HIVE Concept more.

with the Movies that followed and the AVP Franchise then it had became kind of a Accepted Fact that the Xenomorph Eggs are LAID by a Queen and so the Space Jockey would have either been a Species who had either.

a) Came Across the Xenomorph and saw their USE as a Weapon.

b) Came Across the Xenomorph and had intended to STUDY them and maybe Experiment with them.  (This seems the Story behind the Giant Race Discovered in STARBEAST).

But as it stood it was LEFT open to Interpretation by the Fans, the Prequels came along and attempted to STEER AWAY from the Idea/Origins but then also Changed Plan to give us a Different Origin Story.

So we DONT know what the Plans would have been to Explain those Eggs on the Derelict... i am NOT 100% that Ridley Scott would have based his NEXT TWO Movies around the Queen from ALIENS... and i would Suspect that the Egg Morph may have been USED to some extent had he been able to Continue.

Steering away from Ridley Scott one of the Concepts by Blomkamp for his ALIEN 5 Project did seem to look like maybe HE would also have Explored the Egg Morph but if thats the Case and to what Context we just dont know.

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I dont mind such a Queen it depends on the Context and what Role/Origin it serves, as Opposed to just giving us something because it kind of looks COOL...  such as the IMAGE that setaverde had posted above.  As in i would NOT be much of a Fan of that.

By Context i mean if its given some Origin Story/Background that would FIT and make sense.

For example as PART of the Engineers trying to EVOLVE themselves, as maybe a Race who Created the Engineers.

Or a Human Hybrid... for example they could have Continued with a Sequel to Alien Resurrection and have Ripley 8 go and EVOLVE to similar. Or have it where they USE some of Ripley 8's DNA in a attempt to CLONE the Successful Clone but they get something like SIL.

A Missed Opportunity could have been that Dr Shaw awakened looking Similar, she becomes Horrified but David informs her that he has Evolved her so she can Survive... and that he has Perfected her and SHE may be MAD about it.. but then he could Inform her that she can NOW go and Create Life.

I suspect David had similar Plan... but likely Dr Shaw refused and ENDED up being Killed.  Who knows if he wishes to USE poor Daniels for similar or those Human Embryos.

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PROMETHEUS (2012) Retrospective / Review

https://youtu.be/4LySUbOS18E

Fan art.

 SHE CAN FACE HUG YOU TO DEATH!

Im with BigDave,i don't think that queen idea is good.

In first place, cheers BigDave, we are Alive. Second, David can create a Queen, his Queen. A Queen that reproduces in an hybrid way, half human, half Queen from aliens 1986. We want to watch the horror and feel repulse about every scene where the new queen appears. Possibly, we can watch it in the Alien fx TV series, or in the Marvel's Alien comics. I hope to watch something new in the Alien Universe very soon.

I always thought the eggs in the derelict were the Eggmorphed space jockeys, and those from the nostromo would have resulted in a different creature, maybe a slightly different facehugger but not a queen. I like aliens but don’t really care for the queen concept itself.  I would love to see Ridley make a sequel similar to Halloween 2018 that discounts the sequels and see his vision for Alien 2.

I think their is a Market for a bit of FUN set within the Franchise we DONT have to take it too Serious or connected to the Movie Canon ;)

some of these Xenomorphs are a bit Generic... but they have teased there could be other Creatures and so if they are hinting at Deacons and Neomorphs and we see Hammerpedes well the Biology that Connects them to the Xenomorph and Black Goo does allow for a HUGE number of Variants that could STRAY a bit away from the Genetic Xenomorph Aesthetic.

Set in the FUTURE after Aliens... and with them Hinting that we would NOT be Faced just against Xenomorphs and the like.... so we will Face Various Human Factions, and Synthetics.... there is SCOPE to explore other Races too.

Maybe the player will get a Arcturian Ass Whooping or does that Species only have ONE use lol

I think the Egg Morph could be something that could have been Explored in Future... i wonder HAD we seen Ridley Scott be able to Continue with the Franchise would he have INTRODUCED the Egg Morph?

If the Egg Morph gets explored more then they could CHANGE its Purpose....

The Xenomorph would be Pretty Flawed if in ALIEN what we saw was going to become TWO EGGS... but i GUESS this adds a Weakness to the Organism.. and if we go back to Starbeast then its THIS Need for Hosts that had become a Downfall for their Species if they Egg Morph all Life then they would RUN OUT of any Hosts.

But its always NICE to give a Monster a Flaw/Weakness.

I had always looked at the Scene as Creating a Egg Morph and then using Dallas as a Host... but the FLAW i have with this would be WHY does the Xenomorph not do the same with Parker and Lambert as then it would have TWO MORE of its kind to Join it...

I recall that RS had said that he felt the Xenomorph in the Narcissus was trying to HIDE away to DIE as it had Performed its Task (Egg Morph) to me this would make SENSE if the Egg Morph would lead to a ROYAL FACE HUGGER... so that Dallas would have Gestated a Queen.

I guess the Egg Morph could be Explored in Future and changed somewhat.... for me as a Evolutionary Stand Point.. it would make more Sense if the Egg Morph would lead to a Metamorphosis into another Xenomorph or similar and thus REMOVE the Face Hugger from this LINK in the Chain of Procreation... but you still have someway to Obtain a Queen that can LAY more Eggs.

I think if we was too look at them, then we could look at them like ANTS and so they could be Connected Sub-Species that would FIGHT for Dominance over another Species....

I suspect when they was working on the Comic they had similar idea.... like Black Ants vs Red Ants

I am NOT a Fan of that Queen idea... i think it depends on the Context.... the Problem is the Mythos/Origins has become Messed Up and in Limbo with Alien Covenant.

That being does look like SIL from Species thats crossed with HR Gigers Lilith. Which both are his Creation.

We see that David had draw some similar things... the the Monster Designers/Artists for AC had drawn similar (some used for Davids works). So David could have Dreamed about turning Dr Shaw in to similar and maybe has Plans for Daniels....

I think such a Female Entity could work depending on the Context.... but Alien Covenant had kind of Muddied the Waters of the Mythos.

So the Introduction of such a Species could come from a kind of Evolution from the Pathogen/Xenomorph, or a Experiment.

Maybe Ignoring Alien Covenant, they could have gone with the Original Idea for the Engineers that they had LOST the ability to Procreate and they had Discovered something they had HOPPED would gain that again... but it just LEADS to a Mutant Female like SIL from Species who could then have Provided the Precursor to the Xenomorph etc.

Or you had such a Species as being Ancient and Enslaved or Created the Engineers for a Purpose and they Rebelled and Overthrown these Ancient Beings... and some Engineers latter tried to Evolve themselves to become more like their OLD MASTERS etc..

But ALAS...

A Number of Years ago i came up with a FEW ideas for a ALIEN V that would continue from AR and have it where Ripley 8 was slowly Transforming into something like WHAT we see in this COMIC...

such a Story Arc and Gradually Evolution would require LESS of a Budget/Time trying to make Miss Weaver look like she did in the late 90's.  As if she soon started to Turn like Holloway was before he was Toasted then the Make-Up etc would HIDE her Age.. and she then Progresses more and more to like a SIL then the Make-Up would HIDE that we have a Ripley who looks in her 60's etc.

"To bring back Bishop is an even worse idea than to bring back Ripley."

As SM had Mentioned this is Viable... and Especially in a Comic/Animation  as you can still GET There Likeness without Expensive CGI (or Naff CGI) a Synthetic is IMMORTAL as long as their Memory Banks etc are Intact of have been Uploaded prior to Destruction etc.

But YES the Comic just seems to be a Fan Service Fest!

@Thoughts_Dreams

what i mean by going back to Basics is essentially what SM had wrote " You go with what's familiar - Aliens, marines etc" so its NOT so much about just Bishop but that the Comics and Games will likely STICK to what we are Familiar with from the Original Quadrilogy rather than go too DEEP into Mythos and things like the Prequels... essentially YES its a Fan Service... but it has a Market and would appear to be more FINANCIALLY a Safe Bet than to go and introduce something thats NOT-SO Familar, this was tried with the Prequels but the Fanbase seems to NOT be as Receptive.

So they will LIKELY stick to what they DEEM had worked and what is WELL KNOWN about the Franchise... which i am NOT a FAN of as all these Comics/Novels do seem to just Re-Hash the same thing and they can  get Repetitive but there is a Market for it..

A Big Gripe for me is INDEED the bringing back of Characters who are GONE/DEAD from the Franchise, but these Comics, Books and Games would do so to MAKE MONEY and they are essentially like Retcons/Reboots of Sorts.

NOW i dont mind when we have Stories that are SET in the Franchise with certain Characters that are Loosely Connected like Amanda Ripley and her Adventures.. but i dont AGREE with Stories like where Ripley has other ALIEN/XENOMORPH encounters prior to ALIENS or after etc.

I would rather them do a Comic Continuation to Alien Resurrection where we could see RIPLEY 8 Evolve into that kind of Female we see in THIS Comic ;)

Regarding a BISHOP Story... well they could have Recovered him from Fury 161 and used his DATA to Study the Xenomorph/Findings.... you could have his AI then realize the Company are trying to OBTAIN a Specimen and then find a WAY or someone to UPLOAD him to a New Model in a attempt to SABOTAGE the Companies Plans.

Maybe we should NOT take the Comics too Seriously and just Enjoy them as Alternative Canon and Fun?

I would LOVE to see more Mythos, Engineers, Starbeast and a HR Giger meets HP Lovecraft kind of Universe but i am NOT sure we would ever get something like that.

Sadly as its Latex then if they DONT get regular Care then they can go HARD and Crack and Discolor....

With the Technology we have TODAY they could Finally Pull Off what HR Giger had Envisioned on Screen, Sadly in the Late 70's they could NOT have Pulled this Off Right.

such Sad News...

Highlights that LIFE is for living and Enjoying things which Includes Entertainment like Movies...  Actors get to be IMMORTALIZED on Screen. So we can always have Fond Memories by watching them on Screen.

I would like to thank Mr Kotto for giving us Memories from his Performances, my Condolences and Thoughts are with his Family.

R.I.P Yaphet

Dark Horse eventually drifted away from Newt and Hicks after Female War as they began focusing on original characters and expanding out the alien universe beyond Ripley, Hicks, Newt, Bishop, Colonial Marines, and Weyland Yutani.

I mean Weyland-Yutani Corporation didn't even come into the picture until what Alien Berserker which was Book 5 or 6?

The Earth War series was very gutsy since it had the xenomorphs ultimately take over earth and it took several stories later until the Earth was reclaimed again by completely different characters unrelated to the original trilogy heroes.

There were a few comics centered around an unknown extraterrestrial protagonist fighting off the xenomorphs and one comic were an extraterrestrial cook was cooking a facehugger like a hamburger patty.

Now there was a few comics that didn't follow or were loosely connected with the main comics' continuity and were therefore standalone stories.

Marvel Alien Issue #1 - First Impressions (And Theories)

https://youtu.be/KoBK6dXsO9U

Marvel Alien #2:

S. M

“Saying that bringing back a dead human character is just like bringing back Bishop is beyond asinine.”

I wasn't trying to be that exact, my point was that it becomes about recycling characters. Get a writer that knows how to make good stories and well done characters while bringing something new.

“You go with what's familiar - Aliens, marines etc. Bishop ties into that.”

I understand that but then there is a risk that you get too much stuck in the past. From a business thing I get it when people buy familiar things but to me it's not fun to have a franchise where we see the same things over and over again. Maybe it works for a while but eventually people might get bored by it at some point.

“Dark Horse did the same thing by having their first series revolve around Hicks and Newt.”

I haven't read anything from Dark Horse, so I can't comment on that in detail. About Hicks and Newt they have never been my reason for finding this franchise interesting even though they are alright as characters.

The horn-lady and the Hammerpede yeah but most of the characters were either reminiscent of old monsters or characters that were reminiscent of old (soldiers) but it still has the Bishop-character, and more marines. Not to say that marines must be something bad but there is a risk that you treat it too much like it has been for many years. I would like to see new things, not rely on what we saw in the 1980s or whatever. The past has had its share of good things but some time you got to move on.

My hope is that they use the comics to try new stuff, new monsters, new worlds and that. It seems to me to be a less risky thing than to throw them directly into the movies. If people start to appreciate new things in comics then it might spread to the movies also (appreciation for new things, or attempts at new things).

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I wrote a piece back in 2003 - I think for Absolute AvP - that used the term 'egg morphing'.  And I think it'd been around for a little while at that point.  The Anchorpoint Essays might have used the term prior to that as well.

I prefer much more an Humanoid Queen than a Bug Queen. A Sentient Xenomorph Being absolutely terrifies me, in a good way.

A Xenomorph Queen with the intelligence of Queen Taramis, from 'Conan, The Destroyer', would be amazing.

There will be a new breed of xenomorphs, the Alpha.

I wonder if they got that inspiration from BigDave, who had a topic titled Alien Alpha.

 The below image is actually a variant cover by Ryan Brown, and unfortunately my favorite will not be in the first Marvel Alien, which is illustrated by Salvador Larroca.

Such a pity.

Too sharp details of the xenomorphs and the blue background are something that I would have been avoided.

I would have blurred and darkened the monsters, in a lovecraftian way. What one can imagine from lesser detail could be a lot scarier that what one sees in spotlight. Rust and bones, decay, biomechanical Alien.

And there is no point to add the hammerpede, bad call, even if you use the Prometheus blue.

So, if Marvel want to get to the spirit of Alien, they have to get rid of the glitter and shine they are using for their superheroes. That's my opinion.

OK, we have some text samples of the new Marvel Alien. I have the feeling that the writing and the pictures don't exactly fit in the best way, except for, maybe the last image posted below, that's more in the spirit of Alien and resembling an image of Death itself, as portayed in medieval religious art.

An insatiable mass of writhing, gnashing death, hunting for any sprig of uncorrupted life.

Beetles on the corpse of creation.

Her eyes are blind, cloudy and still. Her breasts unburdened by breath or heartbeat.

Here we are few years later now! Hopefully I am making myself clear here:

In the film, it would be seen as a sort of metamorphosis as it looks as if the human victims are somehow transforming.  Or one could just go back to the original idea in the script of the cocoon transforming into a spore, which makes the spore almost like a chrysalis.

It wasn't as if Ridley would be that specific about what was going on but the alien beast is supposed to be an alien life form rather than just exactly a humanoid oversized insect, He went with the idea of showing human bodies being eaten away alive by the cocoon material putting Dallas in a state of agony, as the spore shell grew around the humans' remains and so this would result in the alien young devoured the humans from within their shells. I don't know what exactly what these alien young were and how they were created. We do see maggots crawling over Brett's body and sludge moving over his head, so something of that might as well have been the alien young.

Then online people created this 'Eggmorphing' term, perhaps it goes back as far as 2007 online, (I probably get it confused with 'EggMcMuffin')  it wasn't used in the old Usenet newsgroup and it seemed to have more to do with people who were who were Aliens fans saying how ridiculous the idea was, basing their idea on what James Cameron erroneously thought in an interview about the "human to egg" stage was all about the alien beast having "biological properties take up residence in a human being and change it" rather than slowly consume it. I suppose that no one was really that bothered about what Ridley was thinking anyway but I did what I could to collect the information about Ridley's idea together hoping that others might generally develop a clue.

See: Alien: Human To Spore

See: Aliens: Replacing the human to spore stage with the alien queen

Yeah the Warriors are iconic,they are in 2nd place for favorites.

Yeah they are.  It's from the Genocide comics where there were two rivals to be the next Queen Mother and they fought for dominance.

I always figured they were two rival broods

wait aren't Praetorians basically xenomorph princesses? anyways favorite xenomorph type...ooh thats a hard one. I kind of like them all....well maybe with the exception of the newborn/hybrid that thing is so fugly that not even the xenomorph queen wanted it.

But If I had choose a specific xenomorph breed it would the Warrior Aliens from ALIENS (1986)

K no one is responding but i played AVP 2010 and Colonial Marines 2013 recently and in the past i played the classic retro games.

Now, i understand That the death of doctor Elizabeth Shaw was inevitable. Since She had sex with the infected doctor Holloway (by the black goo), her days were numbered. David killed Doctor Elizabeth Shaw in the spaceship Prometheus. She was a victim of David's experiment, ordered by Peter Weyland. We all watched in alien covenant the devastating effects of the accelerant in Shaw's body.

Guys this topic i made glitched for me.

I don’t go on this forum, but what I do know about Xenomorphs is that their hierarchy is based on Hymenoptera.

That order includes insects like Ants, Wasps and Bees. (Does not include termites, and Yellowjackets and Hornets are wasps!) These social insects only have queens, because in the nuptial flight the males die after mating, so even if there was a “king” then it wouldn’t live very long. A way there could be a king is if Xenos were based on Termite colonies.

I saw this and wanted to say something scientific.

Oh ok,thanks for the help tho

alien covenant plot:

Group of people get attacked by medium boy with strange sausage for head and big organic boi with big organic sausage btw bad ending

prometheus plot:

Group of people discover tall bald boi which beats them up btw tall bald boi gets attacked by squiddy god