Lambert answered?

Can someone please point out where in the film you see Lambert again once she is taken by the Alien... birdman: are you not mixing up the thought that a panicked Ripley is just firing the flame thrower in an attempt to stop the Alien from following her onto the escape ship??? (without knowing that the Alien is already on board)

OK....Lambert getting raped. Never thought about that before.... But now I remember a scene in Alien. While Ripley was entering or close to entering the escape ship from the Nostromo (I forget the name), something or somebody was firing a flamethrower at her. Any ideas? Or did I miss something? Ash was gone, so I've wondered about that here and there for years and years...

You dont see her anymore ... and the same is for parker ...the alien didnt had the time to cocoon both since he start the chase for ripley .... Dallas and Parker where caught many hours before . All that rape thing is born from a joke of ridley scott in the commentary because was the moment when you see the tail behind her ...but of course you cant make jokes with a crowd of horny teens -.-

When Ripley goes to check on Lambert and Parker, she turns the corner to see Lambert hanging there, of course we see only her arm and Parker in the distance. The Alien has no time to cocoon them because he is making his way to the shuttle to get nestled in there....

I respectfully and completely disagree with the assessment here. completely. 1st of all SEX/RAPE IS 100% what Scott and Giger and even the studio intended i heard as much for my own ears yesterday watching the Quadrilogy box set dvd. Scott himself says "it's clear she is being raped or sexually assaulted" and Veronica Cartwright even says that's just what she always assumed was going on....as a matter of fact in the entire Last scene of the film they completely intended for Weaver to be nude. I have also looked at this shot over and over and over, and what I see is solid evidence that Parker is dead and very shoddy evidence that Lambert is. I am still not convinced that any part of Lamberts' body is hanging there in that mess of body parts. I think the makers of the first film did this deliberately and left the film open ended in certain areas so as to accept different interpretations of it and by not completely resolving certain things in the film. I could accept though the explanation that no, that is in fact her body, that's cool by me, but ultimately there is no way I am ever, ever, ever going to accept that Lambert was not raped, this is what these creatures do, this is what has been inferred by the makers of that film over and over and over again, there is 100% a clearly sexual aspect to this, the creature itself is in it's very nature a sexual predator and they intend 100% on taking that concept farther than that even in Prometheus. In fact they intended with "Alien" on this creature having scenes in which it raped both men and women, in order to freak out the men in the audience.

I suspect we have two different quadrilogy set cos i didnt find anything like that ... Ridley clearly say that there is no sex or sensuality in the movie and that the only concession is ripley half naked at the end . ( if you point me in which section he say that i will be glad ) Never i think he said that ripley was supposed to be naked at the end ..he said that in the awakening scene at the beginning they were supposed to be sleeping naked but that was not allowed . Plus there are clearly lambert arms in front of parker when ripley find them ... so or the alien didnt have a tongue erection or he did came too fast :D. Why all this need of sadic things even when they are not there ?? PS Giger can se penises even in street lamps . Hes smart he know that with sex he sell better

I would agree Spartacus. Scott wanted to do more with Alien on this but was probably put off by those financing it or by ratings. There has also been some strong hints that Prometheus would be gruesome and I expect some kind of sexual interaction betwwen god knows what.

i suppose ive the same quadrilogy set and the only thing i found is ridley scott sayng that the movie contain no sex ..and that the half naked ripley at the end is the only sensual thing . Remember that everytime you do a commentary or people ask you something you have to invent something different , and something said 25 years after is quite questionable . Giger can see penises in street lamps too and surely for him the skyscrapers are a symbol of virility against the big vagina that is the sky . Hes more smart that what we think and he know that sexuality is a good way to sell better . Regarding ripley nude i remember that scott talk only about the awakeing scene at the beginning , they were supposed to sleep naked , but that was refused . Never heard of him talking about ripley naked against the alien ..that would have been a bit over the top ... Plus there are clearly lambert arms in front of partker ... Btw see what you like to see ...

yeah same here, I have the bluray set and I have watch the documentary, well, let's just say alot, lol...and the only thing sexual mentioned is about the Alien when Veronica Cartwright is talking about the creature design and what not...but that's it.

Paddy101.... in the scene in alien I spoke of, it is not Ripley firing the flamethrower this time. Somebody or something is firing it AT HER... Down a passageway. But after thinking about it, maybe it is just part of the early stages of the Nostromo's self destruct process. Or Lambert is part xeno or something trying to kill her. who knows. But I agree where Mr. Scott left some open ended ideas. Thanks!

Frantz, it's on the 2nd disc of the 9 disc quadrilogy box set. I just watched it yesterday, go to the Main menu and set the thing to "PLAY ALL FEATURES" and you will eventually get to the part where Ridley Scott, Yaphet Koto, Sigourney, Harry Dean Stanton, and Veronica Cartwright are all discussing that scene. Ridley says, "You do not see it in the film, but you hear it happening off screen in the audio" He also says .."Whatever it is that you interpret it to be" {or something to that effect}, "if it isn't rape, that it was in fact all the same what they intended it to be anyways. there's alot going on off camera there" But he makes it clear that this is a Grey Area and was deliberately left that way because they did want more money to do many more things with Alien but the suits at Fox wouldn't give it to him...also and don't forget this one... He spent the better part of 16 months walking all around the set with a copy Gigers Necronomicon under his arm, the entire film was derived from one of Gigers sickest paintings. As the story/Franchise progressed, and during the pre production work for Alien 3, Giger developed a lot of artwork that was never used by Fox or the UK production company for that film, but Scott has inferred several times now that he may use some of these ideas in Prometheus including scenes of Erotisism between the Xenomorph and both male and female crew members. I have been wrong before and am the first to admit whenever I am if possible, but here I think I have to say that while you guys may be right in that if you just look at Scott's film straight up, their is no weird sexually deviant behaviour I agree completely from either Humans or Xenomorphs, but I am telling you that this is what was intended, and is still an underlying theme behind everything Scott and Giger do together.

Not sure if the original Alien was a drone or not. (incapable of reproduction?) I had not perceived the Lambert killing as a rape, although in retrospect the awful sounds that were broadcast to Ripley from Lamberts open mic could easily be taken for that. My first take on that, as I sat in the theater as a teenager so long ago, was that the Alien was cruelly toying with her as a cat might with a mouse before dispatching it.

okayyy spartacus we have a very different point of view and a different perception of things !..we will see in prometheus who was more close to it even if im sure that i will see my things and you yours and nothing will change :D ..shake hands my friend

Ok, this is just an observation.... I just stated it and stopped it because of one of the first things spoken at the beginning of the piece which is this... Veronica Cartwright's first sentence at the beginning of the first documentary is... "I think he {Ridley Scott} took a lot of techniques from Alfred Hitchcock in the sense that you do not really see everything, the imagination is used, and I think that is what made it so terrifying". To me that statement represents the spirit in which the entire film was made. Maybe we did not see what we thought we were seeing but it was definitley left open ended on purpose for us all to imagine it like that or to allow the viewer we see it that way if he/she wishes.

I cherish your opinion Frantz and am most found of you, I am always Fine with agreeing to disagree. And Just to be fair I will tell you what I am going to do right now. I am going to put it all on my PS3 again and watch it yet again, and freeze it when it gets to the right part and I will quote word for word what they all say. May take some time and patience but at least it will clear up if I am really reading too much into all this. see ya soon.

Ok, I figured out where I steered you guys wrong to start off. It is not on Disc 2...It's Disc 1, the Special Edition of the film, with Commentary set to "ON". Do that first. Then fast forward to Chapter 32 @ approximately the 1 Hour, 28 Minute mark of the Film. Ok, we have arrived at that scene and here is exactly word for word what is said and by whom. Scott: "Veronica was always great at controlling barely controlled terror, catatonic terror, she's always, like, 2 steps away from a heart attack...which I think she finally does at the end have a heart attack". and then later... Scott: {Ripley moves "Jonesy" from one position it's cage to another} "I had people saying...That was a clue...and The Alien was now inside the cat" then later Cartwright: "Yaphet is the one that keeps telling me to move but I can't move because I am between him and the Alien...and here it comes, and this is the thing, he's like fascinating ina weird sort of wayLook at him he's like looking at me and he's like CHECKING ME OUT so I was going off on the fact that I would end up in a locker somehow, but OBVIOSULY HE IS DOING OTHER THINGS TO ME..."Bellogi" who played the Alien, he was just amazing, I mean he was this graphic artist that they found in a pub He was 7 feet tall and he was 7 feet tall and he was {can't make out the word-sounds like "Mass-eye"} so he had very long limbs...so that suit fit him, and he'd walk around in these white sneekers, and Tom was the one who said, this guys gotta sit down and built him a special swing. But you couldn't sit down once you had that tail on... and now the kicker... Cartwright: {At the very scene we speak of 1 Hour 31 minutes and 51 seconds into the piece...} As the Alien Limb slips down between her supposed legs in this shot...." Ya see, those are Harry Dean's legs...cause I wore white pants and cowboy boots... then later... Cartwright: "You see this death scene was never completed, what I was supposed to do was crawl away...and I am supposed to die, of fright, in the same locker that supposedly Jones had been in, but that was never shot and uh, I kept asking them, when are we going to finish the scene, I mean the next thing I knew they were on to something else" Scott: I mean, we didn't know how she dies, but, The implication was that there was this sexuality to this androgenous Male/Female that could give birth itself but it could also impregnate so it;s like, they are insects like that so we based it on ya know, a little good old dose of Mother Nature and um was that some terrible ending some dreadful invasion of her body , some kind of RAPE, and therefore, would there be a version of the Cartwright character, or certainly that whatever happens, there would be more HUMANOID Aliens on this craft now. So you go into this unique drama, and it is difficult {to portray visually he means} ya know I just fell on Giger at this moment, who hadn't been seen that much and he had a follwoing however in Switzerland but he was just perfect {meaning for that scene} The right elemnts came tiogether at the right time" Ok, so I am stopping here because I have realised that I was 100% correct. Sorry !!!

Ok, problem solved, permanently. 1st of all my first mistake was telling you this was all on the 2nd disc. It is not. It is all on the first disc. You have to turn the commentary feature on for the Special edition of "Alien" To reach the discussion in question you now need to fast forward to Chapter 31 at 1 hour and 28 minutes in. Scott: "Veronica was always great at controlling barely controlled terror, catatonic terror, she's like always 2 steps away from a heart attack, which I think she finally does at the end have a heart attack". and later... Scott: "That is a clue, The cat meeeooooow as it's going inside {Ripley's little Cat Cage} is a clue and people were now convinced that the Alien was inside the cat" and now at 1 Hour 30 Minutes and 23 seconds into the piece... We arrive at our very scene in question Cartwright: "Yaphet is the one who keeps telling me to move but I can't really move when I am between him and the Alien...and here it comes...see...now...this is the thing...he4's like very fascinating in a weird sort of way...look at him, he;s like looking at me...he's like...CHECKING ME OUT... I was going off with the fact that I would end up in a locker somehow, BUT OBVIOUSLY HE IS DOING OTHER THINGS TO ME...Belagi who played the Alien, He was just amazing, I mean he was this graphic artist that they found in a pub and he was 7 feet tall and he was {sounds like "Mass-eye"} so he had very long limbs, and actually that suit fit him, and he would walk around in these white sneakers and Tom was the one that said this poor fella needs to sit down, they built him a special swing, but you couldn't sit down once you had that tail on" and a bit later... Cartwright: "Ya see, that's Harry Dean's Legs, cause I wore white pants and cowboy boots through the whole thing,"..."you see, this death scene, it was never completed, originally what I was supposed to do was crawl away and I basically die of fright in what supposedly the same locker Jonsey had been in, but that was never shot and I kept asking when we were going to finish that scene...I mean the next thing I knew they were on to something else. and then here is the best part...@ the 1 hour 32 minute 53 second mark... Scott: "I mean, we didn't know how she dies, but the implication was that there was this kind of sexuality to this endrogenous male/female creature that could give birth itself, but whom could also impregnate...so it;s like uh, there are insects like that so we based that all on you know, a little bit of good ol' Mother Nature. Was that some dreadfull ending, some terrible invasion of her body, a Rape?, and therefore certainly whatever happens from then on there would be more Human Like Aliens on board this craft". You go into these areas that are unique, and it;s difficult {He means to film these "Grey Areas"} I am going to stop right here because I think My Point has been made and proven at this point Sorry !!! But I am right about this !!! Check it out and see, commentary "ON", Disc 1, Quadriliogy Box Set Starts right around 1 Hour 28 Minutes into it. The only mistake I made was I told you it was on the Special Features disc, but this particular thing I was discussing comes from the 1st disc with the film commentary "ON".

what do you think happened?

Ive speculated for years,but I think the rape thing is the best outcome,or at least the alien introduced some of its dna to transform her? That theory of gene manipulation seems to be playing some part in prometheus story leaks? what are your thoughts?

I think Raped 1st Cacooned 2nd!

but in alien you see ripley entering the hangar where you see parker dead and the feet of lambert so maybe rape but not cacooned... so the aliens have some kind of reproductive system? if there is rape there is sexual intercouse.... or not just guessing!

its a tricky one,hope Prometheus gives us an answer?

Was'nt it said that the creatures in this movie do "very perverse things" or has that been thrown out? It does appear and sound like Lambert was raped in Alien.

It seems to bein a college room with fat teens with their fingers in the nose talking about nude women mating with gorillas .

I've found those who call people derogatory names and make snide remarks simply because they don't like to hear intelligent adults discussing sex usually are the ones that have the mentality of a child and hence are more prone to have their fingers up their noses. You know you've found a severe case of mental deficiency If they somehow find a way to work in an insult about someones weight into their objections instead of laying out even the most rudimentary evidence to support their argument.

you are really so high strung biomechanic ? ITs really like you were the one raped by the alien huh :D To be honest i dont see talking about an alien "raping" Lambert as a "intelligent adults discussing sex " ... However continue to talk about alien sex for the benefits of this nice site ! Twisted teens will arrive with trucks ... we are hostages of the masses after all ...

I hope this Prometheus will give us answers we all want I feel it will be the best movie in a long time and that will maintain the suspense and scariness of the alien one, the darkness and mistery of the alien spaceship.... like I tell you have a lot of faith that it will be amazing

I would have preferred to PM you but I cannot so I just want to say that this.... [quote]I hope this Prometheus will give us answers we all want I feel it will be the best movie in a long time and that will maintain the suspense and scariness of the alien one, the darkness and mistery of the alien spaceship.... like I tell you have a lot of faith that it will be amazing[/quote] BY You Mendi, was so well said and I am in complete agreement.

Actually my response to Frantz was a tongue in cheek joke. He also made a snide remark on one of my topics that happened to be about sex too. He usually pepers his response with insults. He is free to do so and I am free to respond. The last time I just joked it off but here I decided to stand up and turn the tables. Lighten up. As for you I would appreciate it if you stop following me around and trying to make everything about you. I am going to just bite my tongue now because you are not worth the effort.

thank you spartacus! I thin this movie will vindicate the trueand original alien spirit!