Lambert answered?

Well as Xenos dont actually need to have sex to reproduce I dont see how or why an Alien would need/want to have sex with a human woman anyhow... The scene in Alien simply shows its tail moving up between Lamberts legs then cut with screams and her face in pain then her body is found in a strange possition after having been killed. There is only a suggestion of sex because of the time in which the Alien takes and the method it uses in toying with her and ultimately killing her. Perhaps cocooning can only take place once or twice per Alien and once say two humans have been cocooned the Alien simply waits and kills for the joy of it. Who knows, its another Alien mystery.....

Ok, problem solved, permanently. 1st of all my first mistake was telling you this was all on the 2nd disc. It is not. It is all on the first disc. You have to turn the commentary feature to "ON" for the Special edition of "Alien" To reach the discussion in question you now need to fast forward to Chapter 31 at 1 hour and 28 minutes in. Scott: "Veronica was always great at controlling barely controlled terror, catatonic terror, she's like always 2 steps away from a heart attack, which I think she finally does at the end have a heart attack". and later... Scott: "That is a clue, The cat meeeooooow as it's going inside {Ripley's little Cat Cage} is a clue and people were now convinced that the Alien was inside the cat" and now at 1 Hour 30 Minutes and 23 seconds into the piece... We arrive at our very scene in question Cartwright: "Yaphet is the one who keeps telling me to move but I can't really move when I am between him and the Alien...and here it comes...see...now...this is the thing...he's like very fascinating in a weird sort of way...look at him, he's like looking at me...he's like...CHECKING ME OUT... I was going off with the fact that I would end up in a locker somehow, BUT OBVIOUSLY HE IS DOING OTHER THINGS TO ME...Belagi who played the Alien, He was just amazing, I mean he was this graphic artist that they found in a pub and he was 7 feet tall and he was {sounds like "Mass-eye"} so he had very long limbs, and actually that suit fit him, and he would walk around in these white sneakers and Tom was the one that said this poor fella needs to sit down, they built him a special swing, but you couldn't sit down once you had that tail on" and a bit later... Cartwright: "Ya see, that's Harry Dean's Legs, cause I wore white pants and cowboy boots through the whole thing,"..."you see, this death scene, it was never completed, originally what I was supposed to do was crawl away and I basically die of fright in what was supposedly the same locker Jonsey had been in, but that was never shot and I kept asking when we were going to finish that scene...I mean the next thing I knew they were on to something else. and then here is the best part...@ the 1 hour 32 minute 53 second mark... Scott: "I mean, we didn't know how she dies, but the implication was that there was this kind of sexuality to this endrogenous male/female creature that could give birth itself, but whom could also impregnate...so it's like uh, there are insects like that so we based that all on you know, a little bit of good ol' Mother Nature. Was that some dreadfull ending, some terrible invasion of her body, a Rape?, and therefore, certainly whatever happens from then on, there would be more Human Like Aliens on board this craft. You go into these areas that are unique, and it's difficult". {He means to film these "Grey Areas"}. I am going to stop right here because I think My Point has been made and proven at this point Sorry !!! But I am right about this !!! Check it out and see for yourself , commentary "ON", Disc 1, Quadriliogy Box Set Starts right around 1 Hour 28 Minutes into it. The only mistake I made was I told you it was on the Special Features disc, but this particular thing I was discussing comes from the 1st disc with the film commentary set to "ON".

Spartacus i think that nothing prove your point ...the only part is a "rape ??" that is not obviousely intented in a sexual way ( and is from a commentary of 25 years later in which probably even scott have to find something to say of new BECAUSE there is not in my bookset for example)... of everything you did write NOTHING can make someone belive there was an actual rape ... if you want to see things to prove you are right is ok ....if that makes you happy ... Read better that parts you did wrote ... where is that rape ? ITs like to say that when a dentist check your teeths he rape you ...pfff .

oh please, go listen to it, scott says outright the implication was sexual.

I did not say there WAS an actual rape I said this is what they intended for you to think, and I am right, go listen. Scott clearly, clearly states the implication is SEXUAL and Cartwright says herself the Alien..."IS OBVIOUSLY DOING OTHER THINGS TO ME". What more do you need?

This statement completely proved my point. Scott: "I mean, we didn't know how she dies, but the implication was that there was this kind of sexuality to this endrogenous male/female creature that could give birth itself, but whom could also impregnate...so it's like uh, there are insects like that so we based that all on you know, a little bit of good ol' Mother Nature. Was that some dreadfull ending, some terrible invasion of her body, a Rape?, and therefore, certainly whatever happens from then on, there would be more Human Like Aliens on board this craft. You go into these areas that are unique, and it's difficult". {He means to film these "Grey Areas"}.

I don't know where the rape theory came from - I assumed it ate her brains a la Parker :s

ok I can answer that for you Go watch the scene again, then go watch it with the commentary on at the 1 Hour 30 minute mark and in Ridley Scott's Own Voice we hear the explanation, that there was 100% a sexual implication, and on top of that, in Cartwrights own voice we hear her cleary state, "the creature is obviously doing other things to me". Quite frankly after all the work I had to do to post this for you guys this morning I am amazed that anyone would read all that and yet STILL DENY the sexual implications in that scene, and then do it yet again, after hearing Cartwright say the exact same thing, and then do it yet again after hearing Ridley Scott himself clearly state that this was what was intended for you to think...

Yeah I totally believe its Raping/Impregnating her,Ialso believe this will be confirmed in Prometheus. Another interesting point.... In the Directors cut we see the Alien examining Jones' kitty box, when Riply drops it and runs away to safety. The Alien then takes a swipe at the box and knocks it flying, this suggests to me the Alien considered Jones to be a meaningless commodity i.e. the Alien couldnt use him for impregnation/coccooning. The alien was driven from the start to go after the crew...viable commodities?

I agree, and there was also a mistake in the filming of that scene, At first when Ripley looks at the cage it is facing one way, she looks away then looks back and it's facing another way now. I've heard Scott himself mention this as well.

Yeah in the original cut we dont see the box get hit by the Alien and its facing the wrong way when she gets back to it, but the directors cut clears this up as we see the Alien swipe the box. Another cutting mistake was when Brett gets lifted up into the landing gear, Ripley and parker say they watched him get pulled up but you dont see the shot. The directors cut also clears this up. My god who edited this film? And to leave out the Alien transmission scene where we all actually hear the creepy transmission.....Sacriledge!

spartacus ...arguing and making a discussion is one thing ..but arriving at the point to insist with 193438 post to prove your point become annoyng ..expecially when your opinion is based on one "rape ?? " that have clearly all other means ... with that attitude you can see sexual meanings in everything ..and maybe if you tell me your age i will tell you why . All the things you extracted from the commentaries ( one on 10439 commentaries made on the movie ) prove the exact contrary of your theories . You are not doing a great service to a great movie with all that petulance .

Fair enough, if that was said in the commentaries...if you were a casual viewer I don't think you would have got that impression of rape though. Was there anything earlier in the film to suggest the beast had a sex drive? Only the face hugger perhaps...but that's the face hugger - a separate entity, not the actual alien. Perhaps the tail rising between it's legs as it approaches Lambert? Lol, amazing this film still attracts controversial discussion 30+ years later

not if.. it's there and I even told you guys were it is exactly also, First thing Frantz did was insult me and tell me He must have a different disc than me... I took it and said nothing about it. and Then after I proved he was wrong, and corrected not just that, but showed him exactly on that disc where it is that Ridley Scott HIMSELF mentions the very sexual implications of the EXACT SCENE IN QUESTION I am talking about and he still wants to insist there is no sexual over tone to that scene???????? Fine deny yourself till your dead, but Scott still said this... and he clearly says it EXACTLY WHERE I SAID HE SAYS IT ON THE DVD ITSELF Ridley Scott: "I mean, we didn't know how she dies, but the implication was that there was this kind of sexuality to this endrogenous male/female creature that could give birth itself, but whom could also impregnate...so it's like uh, there are insects like that so we based that all on you know, a little bit of good ol' Mother Nature. Was that some dreadfull ending, some terrible invasion of her body, a Rape?, and therefore, certainly whatever happens from then on, there would be more Human Like Aliens on board this craft. You go into these areas that are unique, and it's difficult". {He means to film these "Grey Areas"}. and THIS... Cartwright: "Yaphet is the one who keeps telling me to move but I can't really move when I am between him and the Alien...and here it comes...see...now...this is the thing...he's like very fascinating in a weird sort of way...look at him, he's like looking at me...he's like...CHECKING ME OUT... I was going off with the fact that I would end up in a locker somehow, BUT OBVIOUSLY HE IS DOING OTHER THINGS TO ME...Belagi who played the Alien, He was just amazing, I mean he was this graphic artist that they found in a pub and he was 7 feet tall and he was {sounds like "Mass-eye"} so he had very long limbs, and actually that suit fit him, and he would walk around in these white sneakers and Tom was the one that said this poor fella needs to sit down, they built him a special swing, but you couldn't sit down once you had that tail on" Those 2 quotes are word for word!!! My Lord, seriously, My lord Time to give it up !!!

Petulance; By Definition = the condition or quality of being irritable, peevish, or impatient. and IMO whenever someone is wrong and knows they are wrong, they become irritable... It is not I that is displaying Petulance Frantz but rather yourself. I was patient, extremely patient with you and went to considerable effort out of respect for you to prove what I was telling you, that it was not something I was making up as you were suggesting, but now I have no patience left at all for any of this discussion. I rather liked you too before all these things you said to me today. I stuck to the facts, this is not personal, I thought you were interested in the truth but after you heard it from Ridley Scott himself and still denied it I guess it was because... "The Truth Hurts" and the "petulance" in all of this , is your own.

Game Over Thank you It is nice to see you are a fair and honest person. I cannot understand why Frantz got upset but I guess like I said it was because I actually proved what I was saying and the truth hurts sometimes. It was certainly not my intention for hims to be upset. I really have no intention or desire for anyone to be wrong, but when anyone tries to tell me there are no sexual over tones and inuendo in that scene in particular I cannot except it because there clearly and 100% are just that.

Spartacus what "Mass of body parts".... Parker is dead on the floor and Lambert is dead also with her leg dangling and swaying as though she is either hung up on something, or is in some strange possition where she was left after the Xeno killed her. I think the sex thing was filmed so as to heighten the terror and make the mind fathom the true horror which is occuring. As I said before, why on earth would the Alien even know what sex is, being an asexual being.... It would be like an animal from Earth trying to cocoon an Alien for the fun of it. Think you guys are reading too much titilation into this. There are a heap of deleted scenes here, one could argue that Bretts death scene also has some seeming sexual connatations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=ICQvwW-DXyQ

I recently watched a documentary, I forget witch, and In that documentary, I think it was on the commentary "ON" wing of the Extended extended version, I actually saw a wider angle shot of that same scene. In it, Lambert's Leg is CLEARLY dangling there in the after math of that encounter and she is DEAD DEAD NO HEAD !!! I was flat out wrong !!! It's A Penalty ! [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/25.gif[/img]

I think what a lot of you are missing is rape is performed for a number of reasons besides the obvious. A lot of them has to do with control and dominance. It is done by psychopaths and maniacs and is the basis for a lot of horror and crime movies and TV shows. I think this scene is suppose to infer a rape to add another level of psychopathy to the alien. You might say it's like a dog humping someones leg too. That is not natural and not something you would think an animal would do if you lived a sheltered life. It is basically Inter species rape. Like most normal people though we try to ignore it. It is not a polite or pleasant thing to discuss. It is embarrassing when it happens although just like other embarrassing things some people get a real laugh out of it. Also I think it was mentioned that this alien was made from Cain and very well could have sexual desires. It just is what it is. Having said that I can't see why Prometheus would even try to answer this question.

So....no one knows what the hell was firing that damn flamethrower at Ripley in Alien when she was about to enter the Nacrissius escape shuttle? It was not HER (Ripley)... Is there anyone out there who can help me? I'm doubting that it was part of the automated self-destruct sequence... Much respect to all, but can someone help me out? PLEASE???? Even a clue???

I personally think it was to add suspense "will Ripley be able to save her before she is killed" type of thing . I think it killed her by a stab through the lower back, in all the books I have read they have never hinted to anything that would suggest that a Alien would Sexually violate someone. Heck according to the books most of the time the Queens are able to reproduce without mating but in one of the books it does state that their are such things as male Aliens and they compete for the Queens affections then she "courts" them which involves throwing him around a bit and if he survives they mate if not he dies and she impregnantes herself so yeah, I don't see any stock in the whole the Alien raped her ideas.

I have to admit my post int his just a bit ago is based on books and what not, I have not seen the extras on the Quadrilogy and based on what Sparticus has said I think it is possible but one question I admit I have read a lot tonight in this and the other threads but could it the Alien did need to regenerate as someone said and that is why it had to violate her to get a enzyme or something. I also find it interesting what the commentary says because during the time this movie came out there is no way the movie would have been released if it featured homosexual scenes or inter species sex, at least not in theaters and such heck that movie would probably never have been allowed to be released I the US with that in it. I maybe rambling now though lol. Thank you for your transcipting of the commentary it has given me a lot to think about.

Also it is my belief that the gout of flame that almost got Ripley is the result of her shutting down the coolant system. It would be my guess that some of the hoses carries flammable gasses in them and one burst due to pressure and was ignited by a off screen source or maybe even by Ripleys own flamethrower.

Lambert is barefoot in the scene that Ripley finds them. It is disorienting because one of the toes is broken, but her bare foot is dangling and covered in blood. Even implied nude in some shots.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Alien violently raped Lambert, considering the movie has a good amount of sexual overtones. I bet if the movie actually showed Lambert getting raped by the Alien before getting killed, the movie would've been given an X-rating.