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Thadus 12
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 8:05 AMThe more and more I see of Prometheus in the trailers ,the more i believe it is indeed a remake of Alien. Ridley once said the franchise was like a sponge that had been squeezed dry. I believe Prometheus is to revive the franchise.
Also certain similarities between Alien and Prometheus are starting to arise...
The derelict signal is now cave paintings/map
They land on an unknown planet and things get out of hand
A corrupted Android who potentially meets the same end as Ash (Ridley always said he wished he could redo the Ash death scene
A possible sex scene in Prometheus that was storyboarded for alien but never shot
The ship getting destroyed at the end and them escaping in lifepods
A rumoured 'Dark ending' such was Ridleys original idea for Alien
Even the transparent Alien Ridley first wanted
Its all here in Prometheus, the alien DNA he talks about is the Space jockey set/spacecraft. Theres even more if you look into it.
What are your thoughts?
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EGR101
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 8:15 AMThis is one of my thoughts too. The more footage they reveal, the more they resemble some of the older ALIEN concepts & images,

Thadus 12
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 8:19 AMEGR101
Yeah its just my humble opinion but the more I see the more Im starting to think it true.

Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 8:17 AMI think I want what you're smoking ;-P just being honest, I really don't think it is as you say. If it does take off as a franchise, it may very well end up having the Alien as a character, but I really don't think it's a re-make. There are similar elements, all of which I think are nods to the Alien franchise and in keeping with it's universe, but that's about it.
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MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 8:20 AMYou are wrong, you are so wrong. I'm so sorry.
Is a different story set in the same universe. IS NOT A REMAKE. How come so many people seem uncapable to digest that?

Ghorgul
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 8:21 AMExcellent!
Now that I think of it, you could be very much right.
This would explain why they insist it not being prequel. If they would come out forward to announce that the movie is kind-of-a-Remake, it wouldnt probably get as much attention and interest from the public.
Though I'd say that Reimagined would be better name (as the story concept is a bit different), but still at the same time Remake makes sense absolutely as the R. Scott/D. O'Bannon had to change the story in many parts because of the funding issues.
So I would say that Prometheus is Reimagined Remake of the 1st Alien (which was never made as intented). As the original is sort of a Budget version (I mean storywise, they had to cut it down for budgetary reasons.)

Thadus 12
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 8:21 AM
Cypher
Im not so sure..... He said the last 7 mins or so lead on into Alien, i dont think this will happen

Thadus 12
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 8:33 AMThis topic will split people even once they've seen the movie. Its the same idea they did with THE THING,prequel or remake? I think Prometheus has 'Remake' unofficially written all over it

Syphonox
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 8:52 AMIt's beyond me how anyone can see these trailers and claim it's a remake. What? I just don't get that. Just because RS might use a couple ideas that got scrapped from Alien doesn't make it a remake. To me, aside from being in the Alien universe, the direction/concepts/ideas/motivations portrayed in this movie aren't even a blip on Alien's radar. Of course I could be wrong, we won't know until the movie is released. Even then, opinions may differ.

BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-02-2012 8:53 AMOk from all the clues here is what i peice together.
Orginally the movie may had been a more literal prequel and by that i think the ending of the movie would be set at the time and events in Prometheus (or what ever concept name they had then) The movie would have a lot about the creation of the Xeno, how it got on the Derelict and who the Jockey was. The end of the movie will have had something to do with the Derelict then having to land on LV426.
This plot would maybe not have had the elements about Ancient Astronaught/Creators or anything to do with creation of life on earth or Prometheus Myth.
But then where do you go as far as a sequel because a Sequel is Alien, and the only next step would be a side track/paralele story about Weyland or Jockey in same time line as Aliens etc. i.e like Star Trek Generation (last seasons) and Deep Space Nine (first seasons). Or indeed go and do Alien 5.
This would limit scope and would basically cover a subject thats been covered enough and thats the Xeno, and another movie after the prequel would had a tough task of living up to the first two movies.
I guess Ridley looked at what else is Alien about... its also about Mankind and the Space Missions and Tech that Weyland develop and also the Space Jockeys, there could be more to them and maybe more should be spent on the Jockeys who was they what did they do, what was their purpose as opposed to this is how the Xeno is created and gets onto LV426.
This is when i think Ridley and his writters decided if they concentrate more on the Jockey and Weyland Corp than the Xeno, they could then give clossure to the unanswered questions in Alien but then leave the door open to explore the Jockey and Weyland in other movies and not have to go back to doing Xenos.
So i guess they thrashed out, why and where did the Xeno come from, in which case maybe a creation or experiment by the Jockeys. Which then made Ridley think well what else would they be creating what else can be made from same orgins or processes, i mean the US dont just make Planes and Warships, they make Tanks, Subs and Helecopters.
So i think they then started to thrash out that the Jockeys was creators of many things, maybe this is when they then thrashed out... what if they created us? Which is then why the Prometheus Myth and Ancient Civisations simular beleaves in Gods (more than one).
While also exploring the History of Weyland and their creations they also created artificial life in Andriods, as well as other stuff and they had a desire in the movies to capture the Xeno as a Weapon.
So again Weyland can be tied into this story thats now covers teh Engineer race (Jockeys) their purpose and creations and the Weylands creations and ambitions/Agenda.
Leaving a small part of the plot to go to the explanation of the Xeno and Derelict on LV426.
Ridley would like to add some ideas Giger had that never made it in Alien and some of the things and script from the orginal draft that never made it (Urn like Eggs, Temple etc etc).
By creating a new Organism and event linked with it, Ridley can create a new Alien a new breed of Xeno, kind of a remake that ca be explored and evolved into new movies with his ideas and not have others add to it (like the Queen etc).
But at the same time, to explain the orginal Xeno and not remake it.
Thus i feel the orginal Xeno would be explained as a event that happend prior to the Prometheus Mission.
The Alien fans will get there answer.
Ridley will explore with more debth and good story the agenda of the Jockey Engineer Race and Weyland, and also spawn a whole new Alien Organism to be explored in future franchise.
Thats what i think Ridleys Agenda was with this movie and i think its pretty much whats going to go on.
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Frantz
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 8:56 AMThe Thing was a Prequel mistaken as a remake for the lack of a decent script ( no new ideas ) and half of your points are based or rumors ( even not existing ones like a sex scene or a dark ending ).
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 8:58 AMand if ya got any troubles wit dat just call us...
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Thadus 12
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 9:09 AMI hear what you're saying and like every other thread here time will tell and people will still be divided on this..... but please Sparty, dont send the boys round ha ha

dopelganger
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 9:27 AMNo division on this at all. Anyone with brain knows this is not an Alien franchise movie. To come back and do a sci-fi movie after 30 years, why in god’s name would anyone make prequel? Ask yourself that and you will get the answer. Ridley Scott is no dummy and there is no way he would make his first sci-fi film in 30 years a prequel. Is there some Alien tie in? RS has said yes. Is there familiar technology and looks? He has said yes also.
Is this about Alien? RS said it started out with that concept but went in an entirely different direction. The movie takes place about the same time and in the same location in space so you have the similarities. I have seen and read countless interviews and everyone says that this is not an Alien franchise movie in any way and if you go into the movie thinking that you will be disappointed.
This last 8 min thing is all rumors and conjecture so hold that as a grain of salt if you will. Suggest all go in with an open mind and come out with a head full of questions and wanting answers. Classic RS.
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MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 9:30 AMI think this is a remake of 'FOOTLOOSE'.... It's so obvious

WhyDontTheyFreezeHim
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 9:35 AMIf you think like that, then 'Aliens' must be a remake of 'Alien' too.

Guest
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 12:04 PMI feel all this clammer about Alien prequel just doesn't end up being marketing strategy . Just think of it, if the film is not said to be an Alien prequel or in same universe or so, will anyone really connect this film to Alien ? It will be justanother Sci-Fi movie from Ridley Scott. Of course still people will love to see the movie, given the man's class .

beyondthebloodplain
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 12:18 PMWith all respect, I think that you are being very loose in your interpretation of available information in order to prove your point.
On the basis of your argument, Prometheus could be a remake of Planet of the Vampires, or Forbidden Planet.
I'm hoping for something more original...!

draekus
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 12:45 PM@WhyDontTheyFreezeHim
It was LOL. Jim Cameron basically said "[i]Damn i really like this ALIEN movie. How would I make a sequel even cooler!?!?!. Shit, I know!!! Just throw in more of the same Alien, Marines with machine guns, a mechanized power suit/fork lift, drop ships carrying nuclear warheads, and a BIG version of the alien thats the equivalent of a boss fight at the end of video game!!! Done![/i]"
In the end it made for an awesome/fun action movie, but its just Alien on steroids.

Biehn_Bandit
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 12:52 PMIt's just typical storytelling template. the derelict signal/cave paintings are the call to adventure that set events in motion. And they land on a planet because bringing that shit to Earth would be boring. Things get out of hand because there has to be a conflict and action. Ship exploding = people love explosions.

Biehn_Bandit
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 12:57 PMRaiders of the Lost Ark - the derelict signal is now the Nazis trying to find the ark of the covenant. The hero goes to another land where things get out of hand. An airplane explodes.

tutelo
MemberOvomorphMay-02-2012 3:16 PMSorry but it is an alien franchise movie. Even if the plot is totally different, its still in the same universe as alien, hence all the references and easter eggs. The tie in with the original movie is to finally close the chapter on Alien, and move on with a new story. If a sequel comes out that continues the new direction without referencing the original movies, then prometheus will become its own franchise.
Example for those who have played the games, would you consider Metroid prime a different franchise than metroid 1-4? Prime has a completely different story than the main series, completely unrelated save for the shared universe and elements. A spinoff is still part of the same franchise until it separates completely from the parent story.
Ghaim Overman
MemberOvomorphMay-03-2012 9:36 AMWe've seen what? only about ten minutes of the film so far. IMO it's great hubris to think we KNOW what we think we" know" about Prometheus. I hope and trust there're great surprises and revelations to come. If we've got it all figured out then even if it's a good movie, it will fall short of being the ground breaking sci fi classic I'm hoping for.

Mentos
MemberOvomorphMay-03-2012 9:45 AMIts not a remake, but it does develop some of the leftover ideas that were never included in the Original film (engineers temple etc).

Thadus 12
MemberOvomorphMay-03-2012 10:09 AM@mentos
Do you think Prometheus is closer to what Ridley originally intended to be the story of Alien?
My remake theory has upset quite a few of you,its just an idea i had, be it good or bad.
Still cant wait to see it ! Film of the year im betting !

Biehn_Bandit
MemberOvomorphMay-03-2012 10:27 AMI don't see anyone being upset. Don't know how you could know that even if they were.

Thadus 12
MemberOvomorphMay-03-2012 10:53 AMOk then, disagreeing with the idea.
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