2 thoughts from Ridley Scott

Thank you for this information. I did read that the sexual aspect will be explored much further in this film. It's almost ritualistic in a sense.

The sexual aspect in Alien is totally subjective ...you can see it and you cant see it ... there are 2000 interviews with ridley where this aspect is not even touched and a couple where he talk about it ( maybe because he didnt have nothing else to say ) . In all the commentary he do on the DVDs of the Alien Collection 20th anniversay he dont even hint at that ( he say instead that the half naked ripley at the end is the only concession to nudity ). And i really doubt we will see that in Prometheus .

Knowing Alien as well as you presumably do Frantz, I can only conclude that you are in denial, because I've read you protesting this 'interpretation' before. Which is your prerogative of course, but it's simply [i]inaccurate[/i] to consider this a subjective matter: sexual overtones were intended from the moment Scott brought a sociopath like Giger on board for the production design. And get ready for more of it in Prometheus! (Unless Fox get their greasy mits on a workprint while Ridley is taking a nap in the editing suite). p.s. the Alien's head looks like a cock

i heard that the jockeys will have to guys forced upon each other....as part of an experiment....now that might gross out everyone...as a gay man i don't really mind....lol...and c'mon if it was 2 females u boys would probably be feeling the same way. But i heard these rumors so long ago....to be honest i think they where just that....rumors....and with the pg13 rating or an in between 14+ rating....i just doubt ridley would make room for that....maybe it was just an idea that never made it to the final cut. Actually i doubt their is gonna be much sex happening in this movie.....but i won't mind if their is.

The sexual tone of Giger artworks is merely a commercial idea , and he was great in that ...but at the end there are no hints of sexuality in Alien ( and i see that in everyone who see the movie and is said by scott too) ..there are indeed a limited "geeks" and critics population that having to write alot or finding things at all costs start to build something that arouse them . Its easy to to build a mythology about what "should be " behind something ...in the movie as it is there are not such things . Scott brought in Giger because he was really innovative , and thanks God it did that , i dont think he brought him in because he was fascinated by penis and vaginas like someone seems to be . I expect prometheus to be a great movie ..i will not go there with a checkboard to see how many penis and vaginas i will see ( and that will be 0 )

@ molecules Yes the head does look like a cock.....but thats one ugly cock!...lol

Sorry Frantz But you must have known I could not let this go... I am just to much of a Stickler for the Truth The sexual innuendo and conotations are not suggested, they are direcTly implied and 100% deliberate Alien itself, the entire film is based on painting number 4 in Gigers book, "Necronomocon". And this really makes me mad because it is a BLATANT LIE AND I THINK IT WAS DONE DELIBERATELY.... "In all the commentary he do on the DVDs of the Alien Collection 20th anniversay he dont even hint at that ( he say instead that the half naked ripley at the end is the only concession to nudity )." THE ABOVE IS BLATANTLY AND 100% FALSE I HAVE EVEN POSTED THE TRANSRCIPT FROM THE VERY DVD SET MENTIONED ABOVE HERE ON THESE VERY FORUMS IN WHICH NOT ONLY DOES VERONICA CARTWRIGHT CONFIRM IT, BUT RIDLEY SCOTT SAYS IT IN HIS OWN VOICE, "THE IMPlICATIONS ARE 100% CLEARLY SEXUAL" THE ENDING RIDLEY SCOTT WROTE WAS NOT EVEN PERMITTED TO BE SHOT BECAUSE OF HOW CONTROVERSIAL AND SEXUAL IT WAS IN NATURE...RIDLEY 100% WANTED THINGS IN THAT FILM DONE EVEN MORE OVERTLY SEXUAL BUT THE SUITS AT FOX WOULD NOT ALLOW IT SO HE WAS FORCED TO MAKE SUBTLE SUGGESTING AT IT DURING THE ENTIRE FILM, A SEX SCENE WAS EVEN FILMED BETWEEN DALLAS AND RIPLEY THAT WAS FORCED OUT OF THE FILM BY THE SUITS AT FOX. BUT HE CLEARLY STATES OUTRIGHT ON THE COLLECTORS EDITION OF THE QUADRILOGY BOX SET IN THE COMMENTARY "ON" FEATURE WHILE REVIEWING THE FIRST FILM WITH THE REST OF THE CAST...AND THEY ALL MAKE A VERY BIG DEAL OF HOW MUCH THIS WAS ABOUT SEX...A VERY BIG DEAL ABOUT IT INDEED! II DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS SO HARD FOR YOU TO ADMIT SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IS FACT FRANTZ BUT I WILL REMIND YOU OF IT EVERY TIME YOU TREY TO DENY IT. RIDLEY SCOTT AND HR GIGER'S INTENTION WAS 100% SEXUALLY BASED AS IS THE BOOK AND THE PAINTING THAT INSPIRED THE FILM IN QUESTION. IT IS A FACT AND PART OF HISTORY AND IS NOT OPEN TO WILD INTERPRETATIONS...IT JUST IS !!! YOU NEED TO GO LOOK UP THE BOOK NECRONOMICON AND LOOK AT THE PAINTINGS IN IT, BECAUSE THOSE PAINTINGS ARE THE INSPIRATION FOR THE STORY OF ALIEN WHICH RIDLEY SCOTT AND H R GIGER CRAFTED FOR THE FIRST FILM... THE ALIEN ITSELF IS A SYMBOL OF DUAL SEXUALITY AND GIGER AND SCOTT DECLARED FLAT OUT THAT THE INTENTION OF THE FIRST FILM THE "DELIBERATE INTENTION WAS TO MAKE HOMOPHOBIC MEN SQUIRM IN THEIR SEATS WHILE WATCHING IT" NOW I POSTED THE QUOTES DIRECTLY SPOKEN BY RIDLEY SCOTT AND YOU KNOW THIS AND HAVE READ THEM YOURSELF I IMAGINE....YET YOU DID THIS AGAIN SO THE ONLY OTHER THING LEFT TO SAY IS... i LOVE YOU MAN, I REALLY REALLY DO.... BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE YOU ARE LIVING IN COMPLETE DENIAL. ALIEN WAS BASED ON SA SEXUAL IDEA AND INTENDED TO HAVE SEXUAL IMPlICATIONS AND MAKE EVERYONE WHO SAW IT UNCOMPORTABLE SEXUALLY, ESPECIALLY MEN !!! THIS WAS WHAT WAS DELIBERATELY INTENDED!!!

spartacus you way to put something that is totally subjective and wanting to sell it as a true fact is ...depressing . Ive always told you that the things that you read into 2 two words are just your interpretation and that end the thing for me ...( btw is not using CAPS that make your opnion stronger ...relax )

as I said, after Hearing it said in Both Cartwritght's and Scott's own voices there is no denying it. it is fact. not only that, but we also know that Dan O'Bannon got upset on the set whenever people tried to shy away from this or give in to the suits in any way over it and he chewed out Ridley Scott and was kicked off the set for suggesting that he wasn't sticking to what they agreed on...the sexual connotations and implications of the Alien. Have you heard Scott and the rest of the crew on that DVD talking about the "VAGINAL" entry ways into the derelict? Have you seen with your own eyes, the scene in which Cartwright's character is killed but before she is the Alien CLEARLY reaches for her crotch? Have you heard scott and Cartwright watching this scene together and Cartwright saying..."Look at this, there is far more going on here than people ever got, that thing is CHECKING ME OUT {SEXUALLY SHE MEANS} AND THEN RIDLEY SCOTT HIMSELF SAYING...There is obviously something sexual going on there, we can tell from her screams in the background, this is a little bit of good 'ol mother nature we decided to inject into this film" I mean this is not subjective, this is 100% proof outright !!! I am not pulling this out of the blue and you know this. They clearly mention it on the DVD and it is was 100% intended !!! We are talking about Necronomicon and H R Giger here Frantz, they do not do Kiddie art. This was intended for Adult thinking from the get go and was 100% overtly sexually implicit in nature and deliberately so. I do not wish to upset you but rather CONVERT you to the way they intended you to think of what that creature in Alien was representative of, everything frightening that we could never grasp or want to understand... They went what that angle because they clearly knew it would frighten men watching the film...they wanted this...they went for this....and if they had been allowed to they would have made it much more obvious, or maybe not, they would have gone with whatever way is more scary. You are right that the sexuality was implied, but it was implied deliberately and they wanted to do far more than the suits let them. It was an extremely controversial subject matter to be injecting into a film but that is exactly what they deliberately did.

yours is an assumption ...you get two words out of the context and build you own mytology ..and btw what you said is not in the movie ..you did even said that there was not Lambert arm in the scene ... ive ridley words there " the nudity of Ripley at the end is the only concession to that ( erotism ) " ... if you want to build you own story you can do whatever , think also that in the eggs there were white rabbits , but is a your opinion ..not facts . The statements you say are not on my many dvds ..sorry ..you must have a special editions just for you - you say too many times 100% proof , is a fact , im right on it , bing bang bong ... hey we are not teens ...or almost im not .

i DID say it was Frantz, SERIOUSLY I DID... I came back in a said "I saw a wider shot of it on that same DVD a bit later IN WHICH WE CLEARLY SEE LAMBERT'S FULL LEG HANGING THERE" and came back in here and said YOU WERE RIGHT about that, and that even though it did not appear in the film it was still proof in fact that she is dead. But it does not change the simple fact that in that same scene there is a direct implication as well as auditory evidence in Ridleys Own words and in the background effects, that clearly prove the Alien was "Doing other things to her".

that is what you see ... i can assure you that dozens of other people that have saw alien with me dont even think about that ...then ?? you can also think that the aliens made a orgy with hudson if that please you . But is a yours thing .

Oh, c'mon, why is anyone even trying to debate this? In the scene with Lambert, the alien's tail slowly rises up and approaches her, like a dagger-shaped penis becoming erect, for goodness sake! Spartacus is spot-on.....end of story.

Ridleys said that he play with her like cat with mouse ...but beware to not see a broom somewhere ..is look like a wood erect penis ... please .... [img]http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4884/broomt.jpg[/img] evil rape on a football field ... mmm you see the penis shaped helmets ?? mmmm one is dressed like a feline ...pervert sex for sure ...and the ball ?? mmm surely a probe of some kind .... [img]http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/9325/nflfootballtacklegiants.jpg[/img]

The Alien did to Lambert with its tail what the trees did to whats-her-name in Evil Dead.

now that you mention it frantz...

Yup. Question: What's creepier than sexual violation through forced bestiality? Answer:.......not much of anything. It's just plain wrong on [i]any[/i] level.

Frantz, apparently, you're just being disagreeable for the sake of being disagreeable. Do you have any idea how many articles and papers have been written about the clear, obvious, perverse sexual imagery in "Alien" which no one could possibly miss, unless they were simply determined [i]not[/i] to see it, by wearing intellectual blinders? The vaginally-suggestive openings in the derelict, the wet, labia-suggestive internals of the face-hugger....the fact that it forces itself down the throat of its' victims and "impregnates" them with something which gestates in their bodies....the gobs of slime oozing from the "adult" form which has a rigid member with which it violently penetrates it's victims. "Alien" is chock-full of deliberate, psychosexual imagery which was obviously intended to make it all the more disturbing. Frankly, it's just irrationally goofy, to pretend it isn't there.

i always thought that the alien tail was going up between her legs and up to her back that way the alien could pull her closer to rape her. but yes it rapes her. just listen to what Ripley hears on the speaker. that is not Lambert getting second mouthed in the head. that is the sound of her getting raped to death. if you don't believe me just listen[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KzRXrPl-OoA]Your text to link here...[/url]

i don't want to get in a fight but i always heard that the entire evolution of the alien is all about sex. from a rape, to a forced and violent child birth, its all there.

no artyh i think that what a limited crowd of so called geeks think dont make something real or agreeable ... maybe are the same who see some torture porn movies or some centipiede crap but that dont mean that this reflect the majority of people . As i said ive saw alien with dozen of people and NOONE saw any kind of sexual reference .. all that came around 20 years after the movie when probaly noone had anything else to say ..in all the quadrilogy 20th years edition DVDs there is NO ONE reference to this ...so it remain a subjective matter .... Invaderzim42 maybe you are familiar with the sound of someone raped to death ..then im sorry for you . be serious please .

not only does he hear it but Ridley Scott himself says it is there on the cmmentary of the DVD and acknowledges it in these words..."Clearly something sexual is going on there".

you must have the only commentary in the world that say that !!! made just for you lol

A phallic shaped chestburster, the aliens phallic shaped head, the vaginal underside of the facehugger, the facehuggers scrotum air sacs, the eggs dual vaginal opening... all intentional and a staple of Gigers work.

Frantz, don't take this the wrong way but if you are going to get upset any time something controversial comes up maybe this site is just not for you. I mean if we are all a bunch of childish sexual deviants then why do you waste your time with us? Can't you find another forum where your views are better represented?

I know this discussion has ended some days ago, but I've just joined the page today and this is the first I have read. So, first of all, hello to everybody. I agree with Spartacus. I'm from Spain, and I have the Spanish Quadrilogy version on DVD, and in THAT scene, in commentaries (and also in Veronica Cartwright's interview, I think) it is said about that sexual reference. Why? Because is terrifying. The Alien is not just a brutal beast that kills people (as it appears in lately movies... ¡sigh!). The Alien is scaring because it's weird, it attacks people from within when it's born. Because of its duality, and I think that Lambert's Death is the most shocking because it's different to all of the rest, and because you can imagine that kind of 'pervert death'. Why this scares to me? Because it gives the Alien some kind of human behaviour that creeps me. But of course, this is my point of view. Sorry about my english, but I haven't practised it since a long time ago. Bye

you analysis is almost entirely wrong, op. the reason lambert was naked is to have the situation allude to a rape. lots of sexuality and innuendos are used not because of "cheap sexual thrills", but because of a deeper subtext.

one more thing, this is to Frantz: I don't know what edition on DVD you have, but in all interviews with Scott, Giger, Cast, the cast, etc... you can see the sexual references in the world of "Alien" and opposite them, the industrial lines of the world of "Nostromo", if you let me say that way...

ooops... twice "cast" and wrong with dates... Definitely poor for my two first posts... :)