Space Jockeys Signal

Thank you That signal, it's beacon, is sending a message to The Engineer's and it is not a warning, it is a message that the transport is Down and did not reach it's destination with the co-ordinates so that the Rest Of The Engineer's can come to his rescue. And what I find GENUIS in all of this is that Ridley gave us all a fantastic False impression with that signal, and we have been speculating about it for 33 years now, but it looks very much like the initial impression it created, that it was a warning to all space travelers to stay away, was completely FALSE and what it actually is, is a cry out for help and given the nature of the derelict's cargo, I can see why now clear as day. There are XENO-CODED ampules on board who's destination was the planet on which the Engineer's are attempting to manufacture the perfect Weapon !!! It all fits !!! & LIke a Glove at that. !!!

Which version are you watching?The original version is by far the creepiest, but if you watch the Director's cut Bluray, they changed it for some reason.(for the worst imo) And your right, does sound like a Facehugger/Alien sound near the end and I agree on why the signal is being sent.A warning

I was watching the DVD directors cut (2003), I'm not a fan of the rip off called Blu-Ray. I agree, Ripley refers to it as a warning to Ash when she studies it as Dallas, Lambert and Kane explore the Derelict.

it's hard to speculate without all the facts, but hey... that's what the internet is for. ash's directives have him secretive yet giddy as hell and he may know the background of the derelict and the contents inside... as well as the reason for the looping message. mother decodes some of the message and it seems like a warning to ripley. but that is all we know.

as ASH was so is Ripley... 100% completely wrong It is a message to the fellow engineers further more THE CHARACTER OF "Ripley" says this in the OPENING of Aliens... "HAVE IQ'S JUST DROPPED CONSIDERABLY HERE?... MAM...I ALREADY SAID IT'S NOT INDIGINEOUS, IT'S NOT OF THE PLANET, DON'T YOU GET IT...WE HOMED IN ON IT'S BEACON" NO ENGINEER IS SENDING OUT NO WARNING TO NO ONE AFTER HE CRASHED LIKE THAT, IT'S A MESSAGE TO HIS FELLOW ENGINEERS TO COME TO HIS ASSISTANCE AND LET THEM KNOW THERE IS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHICH HAS DEVELOPED. HE HAD TO BE ALIVE AFTER THE SHIP CRASHED OR OR IT WAS AUTOMATIC ON THE SHIP CRASHING, EITHER WAY, AFTER THINKING THIS ALL THROUGH, THERE IS NO LOGICAL WAY THE SIGNAL WAS A WARNING, BOTH RIPLEY & ASH WERE WRONG AND MORE WRONG AND IN THAT ORDER. LET'S ASSUME IT WAS THOUGH, FOR WHAT? TO WHO? IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE THAT WAY!!!

since weyland was part of prometheus and ash was keeping his secrets from the rest of the nostromo group, it's feasible to think that ash has knowledge of the engineers and what cargo is on the derelict spacecraft.

Sorry guys just wanted to ask since you were commenting on the DVD and Blu Ray Editions. Is there a difference between the DVD Directors Cut and the Blu Ray Directors Cut????

As far as the *sound* of the 'signal' scene that was incorporated into the 'Director's Cut', I was really disappointed that Ridley didn't use the original, creepy-sounding gutteral sounds heard in the 'deleted scene' version on the original DVD. Why he changed that to the bland, not creepy-sounding version that we ended up with, I'll never know. I was so looking forward to hearing that original sound incorporated into the 'Director's Cut' when I read the scene was going to be used. I guess I'll maybe make my own 'fan edit' of the 'Director's Cut' sometime, and add the creepier 'signal' sound myself. And move the re-incorporated 'Dallas/egg transformation' scene to a little earlier in the movie too...as Ridley spoilt the pacing with where he added it, as far as I'm concerned. And as a final nitpick, I wish he'd used the 'deleted scene' version of that, which I thought was superior too. Still looking forward to PROMETHEUS more than anything else this year though!

it even looks like he does when he gets in the overlook pod while the crew members make their way along the surface of LV-426. At one point Ripley mentions the signal and tells Ash she's going out there to tell them, BUT ASH stops her. He says..."What's the point, I mean by the time you get out there they will know if it is a warning or not, no?" He then gives a deep sigh after he gets off the communication with her, as if he is annoyed, and to tell ya the truth I watched it, that same cut about 7 times in the past 2 weeks and he seems pissed off with her and impatient with her for the whole film, because clearly he recognizes that Ripley is going to be an obstacle with regard to that creature. Ash is on that ship with a clear agenda, protect the prime directive at all costs! Later we find out just how evil he was and he even tries his own brand of RAPE on Ripley !!! & don't ask me about proving that 'cause I do not have to Ridley Scott himself proved for us all when told us this on the commentary on Quadrilogy box set !!! He and Skerrit even joked about it during the filming and on the commentary and said that the magazinee was trying to choke her wiht was ametaphor...it was a symbol of what was ASH's penis for that moment.

[quote]Sorry guys just wanted to ask since you were commenting on the DVD and Blu Ray Editions. Is there a difference between the DVD Directors Cut and the Blu Ray Directors Cut????[/quote] just the quality of the images and apparently the difference is staggering. For me the Alure of it is the EGG packaging and the tons of hours of new information images and documentarys that were compiled for it and do not appear anywhere else.

I have the DVD and Blu Ray. And i must admit the Blu Ray is unreal crystal clear. A pleasure to watch Alien. I think i had read in a previous post the differences. Cut its just i noticed some were disappointed with certain changes that was all.

Dallas - Acoustical beacon that repeats at intervals of 12 seconds. Kane - SOS? Dallas - Unknown? ... Ripley - Ash. That transmission. MU-TH-UR's deciphered part of it. It doesn't look like an S.O.S. Ash - Well what is it then? Ripley - Well I...it looks like a warning. Note: The DVD chapter when this second scene is playing is called "A Word Of Warning".

He says..."What's the point, I mean by the time you get out there they will know if it is a warning or not, no?" apparently he wasn't so sure himself, which is a direct indication he was LYING. and S.O.S makes ten time more sense ONLY an Engineer's version of that!!!

If the whipping noise in the transmission is the Facehugger attacking the Jockey (which it seems to be) then this suggests that the Jockey knew that his cargo was loose. Thus, being aware of the deadly nature of his cargo the Jockey sends a warning, to keep anyone away, while he can (which turned out to be 12 seconds). Regards the signal being intended for other Jockey's, we don't know how active and widespread the Jockey's are. From what we have seen in Alien, and the glimpses of Prometheus one can logically presume the Jockey's are few and far between, thus a warning to anyone nearby makes more sense than an S.O.S. to someone whom may not be nearby or even exist.

I haven't watched Alien in sometime now, I am going to pop it in right now so I can get what all of you are talking about :)

i like what you wrote but I disagree completely on it being any kind of warning for one reason, They, the Engineer's would not want anyone else NEAR them...they ARE TERRAFORMING planets to create a biomechanical weapon...they do NOT want that technology stolen or exposed, there's no way in my mind whatever the type of message it is that it is intended for anyone other than the Race Of Engineers.

[quote]If the whipping noise in the transmission is the Facehugger attacking the Jockey (which it seems to be) then this suggests that the Jockey knew that his cargo was loose. Thus, being aware of the deadly nature of his cargo the Jockey sends a warning, to keep anyone away, while he can (which turned out to be 12 seconds).[/quote] [b]Exactly.[/b] @ Spartacus [b]He says..."What's the point, I mean by the time you get out there they will know if it is a warning or not, no?" [/b] This is because he doesn't want Ripley to endanger the mission to get a Xeno sample.If she was to warn Dallas that it's a warning and not a SOS, he might turn around and then how would the company/Ash get their sample? Ash knows it's a warning all right, just like he knows what the Xeno is.He's a plant by the company to make sure they bring a Xeno back.

Your facts are impeccable but your conclusion Make no sense what so ever Theusprom . Because the logic you used undeniably points to it being an S.O.S intended for his Fellow Engineers and NOT A RANDOM WARNING TO THE UNIVERSE, warning's do not repeat at intervals of 12 seconds, but S.O.S signals DO repeat, over and over and over at the exact same interval. THE ENGINEER'S WOULD NOT CALL ATTENTION TO A TERRAFORMING BIO-MECHANICAL WEAPON CREATING PROJECT.

Sparky... one lesson we all have to learn is humility. In your mind you are 1000% certain you are right, a presumption based on theories that speak to you and your perspective. This makes a person close minded to other possibilities... For example a while back I logically analysed the logo that will appear in Prometheus and saw the 3 triangles that make up the Y in the Weyland-Yutani logo seen in Aliens, and thus was, as you are now, 1000% certain that the company logo was that of Yutani. We now know from an image of a guy stood next to Ridley, that the logo in question is not for Yutani Corporation and not for Weyland Industries but for Weyland Corporation. Thus... 1. There is no proof that the Space Jockey's are terraforming planets, this is just a theory. 2. Furthermore there is no proof that the Space Jockey's are terraforming planets to create a biomechanical weapon, again this is just theory. 3. There is no proof that the Space Jockey's are creating a biomechanical weapon, yet again this is just theory. 4. Although Prometheus seems to suggest that the Space Jockeys dont like their technology being stolen, this is only a presumption, another theory. Thus is it not plausible to accept that a Space Jockey about to meet his end flying a vessel filled with thousands of deadly creatures would issue a warning in the hope that it would prevent anyone from meeting the same fate. No, it is entirely plausible and based on what we know, while at the same time assuming the Space Jockey to be realitively benign, or at least compassionate.

AND AGAIN, first of all i have tons of humility.... and again, and again, and again, I insist it is not a WARNING OR AN S.O.S. AND IF IT HAS TO BE ONE IT IS MORE THAN LIKELY NOT A WARNING BUT RATHER AN S.O.S. WHAT YOU JUST WROTE IS PROOF OF THAT! AND YOU SLAMMED ME FOR SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING... I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH WHAT YOU WROTE RIGHT HERE... "Thus is it not plausible to accept that a Space Jockey about to meet his end flying a vessel filled with thousands of deadly creatures would issue [b]a warning[/b] in the hope that it would prevent anyone from meeting the same fate. IT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID NOT A WARNING, CANNOT BE SOME RANDOM MESSAGE INTENDED FOR THE UNIVERSE.... IT IS EITHER AN S.O.S OR MORE THAN LIKELY A STRAIGHT OUT CRY FOR ASSISTANCE FROM HIS FELLOW ENGINEER'S!!! LASLTY, I POSTED ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION YESTERDAY IN FACT THAT CLEARLY SUGGESTS THIS FILM IS ABOUT A RACE OF ENGINEER'S WHO ARE TERRAFORMING PLANETS IN ORDER TO CREATE THE PERFECT BIO-MECHANICAL WEAPON AND AS SOON AS ANYONE AND I DO MEAN ANYONE POSTS ANYTHIG EVEN REMOTLEY CLOSE TO BEING AS COMPLETELY PLAUSIBEL AS THAT IS, I WILL JUMP ON BIARD WITH ALL OF MY HUMILITY!!! ALSO, WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO SEE TO CONVINCE YOU THE ENGINEERS ARE CREATING XENOMORPHS EXACTLY????????????????????? ALSO, THE XENOMORPHS CANNOT POSSIBLEY ESCAPE OR BE ALIVE ON THE DERLICT UNTIL THE DERELICT LANDS AND THE JOCKEY INITIATES THE SEQUENCES NEEDED TO OPEN AND CONVERT/UNLOCK THE CODE OF THEIR CONTENTS INTO LIVING XENOMORPHS...THERE IS AN EXTREMELY HIGH PROBABILITY THAT THE CARGO IS AMPULES AND AMPULES THAT ARE CAPABLE AFTERWARDS OF BEING CONVERTED INTO EGGS FOR FACEHUGGERS!!! ALSO JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR IF IA M WRONG IN ANY WAY WHAT SO EVER I WILL BE FOIRST OINE HERE TO ADMIT IT I AM MOST HUMBLE PERSON AND WHATS MOST MIND BLOWING IS THAT YOU POSTED THAT YOURSELF AND STILL DON'T REALIZE WHAT IT MEANS...THAT'S A XENO MAN, WHY IS THAT A XENO, WHY IS IT ON THE PROMETHEUS IF IT'S A XENO, AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE THE CREW STOLE SOME OF THE AMPULES !!! LIKE I SAID AS SOON AS I SEE ANYTHING CLOSE TO A MORE PLAUSIBLE EXPLANTION I WILL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT HOW WRONG I WAS!!! BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, I AM PRETTY SURE OF ALL THIS!!!

really now... what's with all of this talk of humility? this is the internet!

Okay lets try out your theory on humility... Billions of years ago the Space Jockey’s ventured into deep space, optimistically expecting to witness a wealth of intelligent, civilised species amongst the stars. Instead, they discovered a universe almost void of intelligence, with only a few worlds ruled by natural conflict and incestuous propagation. Using their vast knowledge of genetics the Space Jockey’s created a means of seeding barren worlds with life, that would develop, flourish and evolve into complicated biological life forms, and through both design and evolution that life would develop into a predestined intelligent race. After millennia of observations, the Space Jockey’s learnt that the chances of a planet siring an intelligent race increased when the life on these worlds had to adapt and evolve to a radically altered environment, ecosystem and food chain caused by a near-extinction event. To trigger such circumstances artificially the Space Jockey’s once again utilised their extensive biological knowledge and manufactured a deadly biological life form, a race of genetically engineered weapons, and the perfect organism. Designed to propagate using suitable hosts from an alien world’s indigenous population, extrapolating DNA to adapt to environmental conditions during gestation, these deadly biomechanical weapons improved upon their own perfection, eradicating entire and ecosystems. Billions of years ago primordial Earth was visited by an ancient bio-mechanical race known as the Space Jockey’s, whom artificially seeded life upon the barren planet. The genetic structure of the life was encoded, through the process of selective evolution, to sire an intelligent mammalian, simian race – Humans. Before leaving the fledgling Earth the Space Jockey’s left behind an artefact intended for the Humans, to guide them to a distant world and the truth regards their origins. 65 million years ago, unhappy that the natural course of evolution on Earth had not sired the predestined intelligent species they had planned, the Space Jockey’s deployed Xenomorph eggs on Earth, subsequently eliminating over three quarters of the indigenous life on the planet. Once all suitable hosts had been exhausted and only the Xenomorph Eggs remained, the Space Jockey’s retrieved the eggs and destroyed all evidence of the Xenomorph infestation. Over the next 65 million years, the indigenous life on Earth adapted and recovered, eventually giving rise to Humans. 2085 - Humans find the hidden artefact and head to the destination shown. Upon arrival they find a vast temple filled with ampules and a large icon in the visage of a human head. They also find the remains of a dead Space Jockey and take its skull along with one of the ampules back to their ship for study. Studying the skull they find it to be very, very old (billions/millions of years) and studying the contents of the ampules they find it contains the genetic building blocks capable of creating life. Realising the potential of the contents within the urns the "suits" of the crew decide to keep it for their own gain, with predictably distastrous results. Meanwhile, alerted to the fact that the humans have stolen one of the ampules a Space Jockey pilot is awoken from a long sleep to stop the humans. Unaware of the effects of centuries/millenia of neglect to its ship and cargo of xenomorphs, the Space Jockey heads to LV-426 not aware of the fact that the measures put in place to protect it from its deadly cargo have failed/are failing. Entering the atmosphere of LV-426 the Derelict is attacked by the humans causing it to crash and unsettles the eggs, one of which in turn hatches. The hatched Facehugger heads towards the pilot, triggering an alarm and alerting the pilot to his negletive error. realising he has mere seconds left before the inevitable happens the pilot records a beacon message, warning any and all intelligent life away from the deadly cargo the ship carries. 12 seconds later the message is cut short as the facehugger attacks the pilot. The 12 second signal is then automatically repeated from that point on. Is this not another possibility, that is just as plausible as the one you defend an attest to. Doesn't mean mine is right and yours is wrong, or vice versa. Plausibility can go in many directions.

wow that's a brilliant theory, complicated but nothing less than Brilliant and there's one idea in there that I find so exciting I am shivering and I have to say Thank you for writing it if it really was you that came up with this idea because IMO of all 6-8 alien films total so far, whatever that number is, this idea.... [b]65 million years ago, unhappy that the natural course of evolution on Earth had not sired the predestined intelligent species they had planned, the Space Jockey’s deployed Xenomorph eggs on Earth, subsequently eliminating over three quarters of the indigenous life on the planet. Once all suitable hosts had been exhausted and only the Xenomorph Eggs remained, the Space Jockey’s retrieved the eggs and destroyed all evidence of the Xenomorph infestation. Over the next 65 million years, the indigenous life on Earth adapted and recovered, eventually giving rise to Humans.[/b] is the best damn idea to NOT come out of all of them it is ten times better than any scenerio all of those movies even filmed and included it is shear and utter brilliance!!! I Love it !!! Highly complicated and you MOST SADLY are not writing for the film, and at the same time "prolly" very hard to film but well worth doing and I hope that's what we see in the film. I really really do... because once again I Love it!!! I also absolutely love that it tosses up a huge salad bowl full of righteous and perfect explanations for the extinction of the Dinosaurs! and also, who's to say what we suspect were T-Rex's or Raptors, we're not actually Xenomorphs ? Brilliant man, just absolutely brilliant !!!

Yes all my own work, imagined why remaining true to what is known thus far within all of the franchise.

I think that when they did Alien they had no need to find any kind of logical explaination ... the just did things that were useful for an interesting plot . So will be the Prometheus plot in charge of giving explainations regarding ALOT of Alien things ...IF they will want to give them . Everything ..from the eggs disposition ... the signal ..the space jockey death ...the kind of vessel and mission .... the derelict fate ...can produce 1 million theories ... and we can search answers only in prometheus.

well said frantz

Snork. Nice. Please now work on the second prequel and post it here!

Have had that same thought as well but never was able to articulate it the way you just did Frantz, very very wise of you.

Has anybody tried to record the original Alien beacon message and speed it up and see what it sounds like? I say speed it up since it sounds like it would be a slowed version of some message in our language...