Too much science and philosophy discussed over a movie?

PerfectOrganism

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Hi guys, I'm so glad I have finally managed to register for the best forum on the net. I am a huge alien fan, my fave, at the time I watched it at a young age, being Cameron's, saw it first and it scared the bejabbers out of me. Ridley's and Gigers creation is 'The Perfect Organism'. No other sci fi horror franchise grabs you by the ghoulies as much as Alien. I am ultra hyped for Prrometheus. At first I was worried that, fox, would destroy our already faltering franchise in order to cash in on it's title character yet again, but the more I see, the more I'm hoping Ridley can work his old magic and re-define the genre he helped, er, define. I went to watch AVP and was gutted they made such an appalling mess and destroyed two legendary icons of the silver screen, but I persevered and even got AVP-R on dvd as I wouldn't miss anything Alien related. Sorry to ramble on there but I'm new to the forum and was just showing my credentials, I know more about this franchise than Clemens knew about Ripley's underwear, lol. Ok, I love reading your discussions folks, I have been spying on you for months, and find them informative and entertaining, esp the legend that is Snork, but I have to admit, sometimes they tend to get a little heated, esp when you are discussing scientific theories about Black Holes and faster than light travel etc. So please folks, remember it's just a movie, and no matter how much they try to ground it in reality, any scientist will look at it and tear it to bits for its in-authenticity. So try not to get to worked up about science and philosophical details, well, at least until we have seen it, anyway. Sorry if I have posted in the wrong place, I'm new. Why do we all get so carried away over a work of fiction? Even one of such calibre as this? Perhaps we are of space jockey DNA after all, lol, I always believed they were an evil being, something so incomprehensible to humans and so perverse, if this is the case and we share their genetic make-up, I guess that could account for why we all love a good scrap on the forum, lol

Gavin
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January 21, 2012

Hear, hear, someone had to say it. Legend, me???

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January 21, 2012

I didn't want to bring up AvP, but I am. I confess, I enjoyed it! It was so bad, it was good. I was all set to not ever be in the mood to see it, but I found myself with a group of friends who were going to watch it anyway, and so I did as well. We laughed and enjoyed all the serious, non-funny stuff! And in that context, AvP was a good popcorn flick worth seeing. No love for serious non-qualified scientific debate for Prometheus? Sure, I understand. Except I think it wouldn't be wrong to say we're all here because we like science fiction and we all have something to share, qualified opinion or no. That said, I'm totally geeking out over this new movie too. I'm a little embarrassed to admit! ;)

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January 21, 2012

hi snorkel, it's good to finally speak to the legend in the flesh, so to speak, I have spent many an evening laughing at your outrageous posts. so thanks for keeping me entertained. I have tried to sign up a few times before but for some reason wasn't able to. It's great to finally be on here with my alien fan boy kin, long live the 'Perfect Organism'. Tetra, I remember being at the cinema watching AVP and there was a family behind me who actually clapped when it was over. I couldn't believe it either, lol. As bad as it was, at least it some sort of coherent plot, unlike its sequel, which was just completely awful, lol, I mean besides the epic bad-ass Predator. I think they should have combined the two films into a three hour, 18 cert, epic, that would have been awesome. In the first they seemed to get the Alien scenes right but killed the Predator ones, and in the second they got the Predator right and ruined the Xeno, not my favourite term for our beloved beasty, either. nonetheless, I never felt that Cameron cheapened the feaar factor of the Alien by making it more of an insect-like life-form. I mean, the Queen? Fantastic.

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January 21, 2012

thank you, i think?

PerfectOrganism
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January 21, 2012

Snork, you are the man, lol

Gavin
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January 21, 2012

lol, welcome to the forums bud

PerfectOrganism
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January 21, 2012

Cheers snorkel

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January 21, 2012

Why do we get so carried away?.........I would have to say that culturally and sociologically speaking, storytelling....the function of the telling and the consuming of story....is one of the most important aspects of human existence. It sustains us....going all the way back to the oral traditions of our most primative cultures. I don't think I'm over stating that when I say, the function of storytelling or communication in general is one of the most relevent and distinctive qualities of our species. We've thrive upon it. It thrusts us forward in our ability to learn, apply that knowledge to our benefit and pass that knowledge on. When it truly fascinates is in the context of fiction....the power of a story, that never happened, to hold one's interest, consume his or her time and energy; its power to give us joy and pleasure....to entice and embolden our passions. Why do we get so carried away?........that's simple....it's who we are. It's a quality inherent to the identity of our species.....Our people, all people love a good story!

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January 21, 2012

Here's an analogy that might be helpful. Perhaps being strapped into a chicken-wire and paper mache' scale alien queen costume (suddenly realizing all those dozens of little metallic wire pricks I'm suffering through could have been corrected with just one more twist of the pliers), has given me a different perspective. 6 hours later, (after the costume contest), I emerged from the 13 pieces of articulated armor and had a much greater sense of respect for anything "Alien". That was the late 80's. Now I teach kids how to make movies for a living. Sometimes I make costumes for fun or for them. Some costumes, like the queen, took months and were my pride and joy, some others... Not so much. Even AVP and AVPR have their place in this universe, even if only to introduce a younger and perhaps less philosophical (more action-oriented) generation into the alien fold. The universe is a big place. We can all fit.

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January 21, 2012

I am getting so bored with all this theories on where the space jockeys came from and why they exist and who they after and into and why they fucking whatever!!......it' has been discussed to the point of exhaustion....don't get me wrong...some of these theories are quite interesting and original...but 2 much....the novelty has warned off. I yearn for someone to just post a really interesting thread...well their are some semi interesting ones....but when I see the words "space Jockey" or "engineer"...i steer clear! Unless i suffer from insomnia and i need to fall asleep instantly!

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January 21, 2012

[quote]I yearn for someone to just post a really interesting thread[/quote] You mean like which Vickers is sexier? Corp-suit Vickers, Astro-Vickers or my personal favourite, Vickers in Knickers! LOL!

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January 21, 2012

....thats a start...lol...speaking of vickers...u know yesterday I posted a thread on Charlize Theron and her involvement in Snow White and not even one reply...no one is interested....all they care about is space jockeys and fucking engineers..I am curious but....when it comes to them (space jockeys or/and engineers)...i'll wait for the movie....cause the speculations are just getting tiresome!

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January 22, 2012

That is the entire point and draw/concept to science fiction. So no, it's never enough nor inappropriate to get nerdy.

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January 22, 2012

Juxty, I will reply to your thread once I get out of the bath. For some jockey related reason I was unable to log back in yesterday so I wasn't able to post......