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L.Watkins
MemberOvomorph02/22/2012"I AM NOT EDUCATED IN EVERY ASPECT OF THE ALIEN UNIVERSE AND ITS SPIN OFFs, due to the length/detail of this it may seem contradictory, but I do have a Life) Here is My Theory on the Company's Motives"
Through the traditional Alien series the Company has always violated sanctioned laws, practices and standards to get this thing. This implies that the Company is a separate entity from whatever Government is in place in the future. The Company is a massive monopoly (after the merger) and like today with any large company probably has influence in the Government, but the company is a global power in itself and separate from the Governing body. Im not sure the Government knows about the creature, hence WY's covert attempts at retrieval rather than joint efforts.
The intent of the Company is to independently/illegally acquire a new bioweapon outside the government and would be essential if the Company wanted to threaten the Government and tyrannically control its outer space Colonies.
Since the Company has been responsible for the colonization of space, they could hold the Governing bodies of Earth and/or its colonies ransom for resources/political influence, under threat of subtly unleashing a super weapon, acquiring infinite resources for expansion and maintaining territorial control.
Prior to the Company's later motives in Alien, the Government in partnership with Weyland Yutani probably sends the Prometheus out as a science mission to uncover the origins of humanity.
The Company dispatches its own staff on the Prometheus to aggressively acquire or STEAL Alien technology from the Creators (Prometheus Myth/"It was so wrong"). Having failed, the Company would probably not risk dispatching another high profile expensive science mission joined with the Government, when they discover the value of what the crew have found and that the Prometheus mission is critical. Prometheus 2? could possibly be the rescue mission after Prom. 1 Fails like, 2010: (Space Odyssey) sequel.
Some of the more nobel remaining Prometheus crew members probably sabotage the aggressive attempts to retrieve the creature/technology, after survival chances dwindle, to prevent their finds from getting to Earth.
W.Y would not want to disclose any compromising information to the Government to prevent administration from stepping in to seize their potential finds and preventing them from solely owning exclusive property rights and patents resulting from the finds. (Burke's reasoning in Aliens).
To prevent the threat of sabotage by any future crews, the Company would keep any future retrieval missions Top Secret, rendering the crew unaware and expendable under the discretion of a reliable supervising party (Burke was being blackmailed/puppeted by the Company due to his fatal order, and exploited his unexpendable advantage as a human to succeed, Ash was pre-programmed Company android). (Bishop was a Government issued "Artificial Person" so uncorrupted, simply observing the found specimens) The Company could then use their own Transports, resources, and employees to hide their activity.
It would make sense then why the Company would later want to smuggle it through Quarantine under the guise of a freight transport or a Marine transport. The Company probably waited until a freight vessel like the Nostromo was near a convenient re-route point, could have even planted the "distress signal", providing the perfect cover to smuggle the creature back. After that failed the Company sent the colonists. When that failed the Government stepped in and sent in Marines, with Company employees piggy backing. The Company uses the unaware Marines for protection during retrieval and plan to later sabotage the mission to provide the creature with safe passage home. The Colonial Marines in Aliens were used to maintain order of Government and prevent colonial rebellions, war, insurrections, etc. and were dispatched by the Government not the Company. The Colonial Marines would be the only fighting force capable of intervention if Weyland-Yutani aggressively expanded, launched a Coup, or encroached on the Government interests.
The Colonial Marines were the most successful fighting force in the colonies (hence their egos), and were the only force that could aggressively take down Weyland Yutani, no traditional man-made weapon or fighting force would be able to defeat them. . . Unless it wasn't man-made. There are theories that the Xenomorphs were Space Jockey invented weapons to wipe planets of their species. Weyland Controls the most violent unstoppable weapon species, It controls all governments and the "Alien Universe"
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SIMONb
MemberOvomorph02/22/2012Hi all. First post here. So excited about this film.
I've been thinking about this a lot recently. I'm wondering if WY were even aware of the Xenomorphs at all, and instead have been searching for *whatever it is* that the creators have - the 'seeds', rather than the bio-weapon we have always assumed they were looking for. Obviously, this only holds up to the first film, and after that, they knew EXACTLY what they were getting into- but is it possible that WY were unaware of exactly what the Nostromo crew were going to find, or even thought they were going to retrieve something entirely different?
I have a theory that the seeds the creators are planting (if that is where we are going with this) are something like pure life-force, and the ones seeded on LV426 have been there for a hell of a long time, and have mutated/evolved into the eggs that Kanefinds. They started out as the metallic pods we see in the Prometheus trailer, and over time become the leathery eggs in Alien. It is these that WY were after, and they had no knowledge of the xenomorphs. Perhaps, in prometheus, WY learn of the location of the seeds planted by the creators, and the Nostromo is diverted to one of the sites they were told about.
Bring on the pointing out of holes in my theory!! I'm no expert, and as L.Watkins says, have no real wide knowledge of the Alien Universe.
I guess Prometheus will explain it.

GigerFace
MemberOvomorph02/22/2012Isn't Walmart err Weyland pretty much aware of most things throughout all the Alien movies?! I think what will find out in Prometheus is just how much do they know and how their research was actually collated "wink".

Spartacus
MemberOvomorph02/22/2012for me it's way simpler. The company had a policy since inception that warrented it neccessary to place an Android Loyal first and ONLY to the company on every Space Bound mission. The Company found out about the XENO. The company decided it wanted that Xeno for it's BioMechanical Weapons division as Ripley herself stated at the end of "3". The Company will never ever stop, until it has aquired and modified it's new Xenomorph Based Terrafroming Weapon. Ever.

L.Watkins
MemberOvomorph02/23/2012Spartacus. Agreed. . . I was just analyzing the depth of the motives.
Simon. Interesting theory. But the answer might be in the "Head Monolith room" The containers/seeds in the Head Room are different than the eggs in the bowels of the ship. If you look closely in Alien, a decent part of the bottom of the chamber is covered in dirt and sediment leading me to believe that; the Derelict ship crashed and embedded itself in the landscape before the eggs were laid, the Alien being ultimately responsible for the crash. Perhaps the humans in Prometheus turn the SJ's bioweapon back on them setting the events of Alien into place. But who knows other than the filmmakers. . .

Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph02/23/2012In the Prometheus movie, I think we'll find out that Weyland were only aware of this distant world belonging to the SJ's, and NOT of the Xenomorphs existence aswell. As we'll see that when discovering this planet, a Weyland crewmember will find out about the DNA sequencing of this "perfect" species (Xeno's), which would pretty much give anyone who controls them absolute autonomy on everything basically. . .

The Company
MemberOvomorph02/23/2012The company must have good knowledge of what is going on. Ash says his orders were to retrieve the specimen, i think.
Also, dont rule out Bishop as being a company mole working independently of Burke. We know there were at least two face huggers and one egg on board the ship when it crashed at the start of Alien 3. We never find out exactly how Hicks died because his body was damaged badly.
One of the two face huggers seems to just hang around until after the crash. Surely it would have gone for Newt or Hicks if they were still alive at the time of Ripley being attacked by the other face hugger. Unless........ Newt was drowned before the crash and there was a third face hugger already attacking Hicks.
It would not attack an android, so Bishop was left alone. Sorry if i went off topic slightly.

SIMONb
MemberOvomorph02/23/2012@L.Watkins - true, it all adds up. I just think there is something in the positioning of the ampules vs the eggs that set me thinking this way. In truth, I've not really thought it through in terms of things in the canon which might disprove it - I just really like it as an idea.
@The Company - 'the specimen' could just as easily refer to the ampule/seed thing as to the xeno/hugger/egg. Again, what you say makes sense, but I like thinking through the alternatives. If the 'classic' xeno hadn't been seen before the events of Alien, surely The Company were hunting for *something* but they may not have known exactly what.

SIMONb
MemberOvomorph02/23/2012and now i'm gonna talk myself out of it...
The company must have known what they were after, as there were no orders to the crew to collect a sample. WY must have known, therefore, that the 'specimen' would make it's own way onto the ship if the crew got nearby. They were therefore not looking for an ampule, or an egg, they were looking for a creature - so yes, they did know.
I'm not schizophrenic, honestly....
20thcenturybuick
MemberOvomorphFeb-23-2012 3:59 PMyeah you're just a stalker thats all..you people will get caught for this shit

arrgy
MemberOvomorphFeb-24-2012 9:21 PMThe biggest question to be answered is: How did the company know of the Xeno in order to send the Nostromo to LV-426?
There is no doubt that the company "knew" about the creature. They selected the Nostromo because it was the perfect patsy. A freighter with an experienced crew and a double crossing Android who knew all along what was going on. A clever clause in their contracts that forces them to investigate. A mysterious signal (which I do not think ever really existed) which we do not hear about after they land, is the catalyst. Ripley comments that Ash was protecting it all along. Ripley notices the spot on the monitor, Ash lies and says he thinks its a malfunction, when he knows exactly what it is.
Ash was placed on board for several reasons. 1. Make sure you get the creature on board. 2. Study the creature as it develops. 3. Learn how it hunts and kills its prey to report back to the company. 4. Ensure its return.
If Scott does not answer that question, the entire series falls apart. It is the one common thread throughout all the movies, and it starts with the opening of Alien. All other questions, including about the Space Jockey and stuff, are secondary.

SIMONb
MemberOvomorphFeb-25-2012 7:55 PMExcellent points, arrgy. Have to agree that Prometheus has to explain how WY knew where to go, as they obviously did. I'm still not convinced they knew exactly what they were going to find, and part of me thinks they may have been after something else entirely.
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