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MemberTrilobiteFeb-28-2012 4:35 PMAs I am not only a staff member but one of the sites theory article writer I shall propose my theories regarding the latest video [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Rk9Gs5SkP8M]FOUND HERE[/url] showing Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce) giving a presentation.
[b][u]1. Ties to AVP[/u][/b]
Yes I'm sorry but it does seem as though this video ties Prometheus to AVP. Firstly at the end of the video it states "Weyland Industries" as the link given for the promotional site (despite the company being called Weyland Corp in the actual Prometheus movie and as shown above the link), secondly Guy Pearce is using an English accent (sounding much like John Hurt IMO) and Lance Henriksen's Charles Weyland in AVP was also stated to be English/British. Also in the video he seems proud to admit that they are not far off developing cybernetic organisms indistinguishable from humans (synthetics), and the cover of TIME magazine shown in AVP showed Charles Weyland to be recognized as a pioneer in robotics.
Also the website address is clearly [url=https://www.weylandindustries.com/]www.[b]Weyland Industries[/b].com[/url], which was founded by Charles Weyland, but the site which seems to be looking back in time to 2023 states that Peter Weyland founded [b]Weyland Corp[/b] in or before 2023. The link to AVP is there whether you choose to ignore it or not.
So it looks like Ridley Scott is not retconning the AVP's out of the canon, if anything it looks as though he is enforcing them into canon.
[b][u]2. Ties To Aliens[/u][/b]
Aside from the Terraforming aspect the website mentioned above includes the slogan "Building Better Worlds". Which any Alien fan will know first featured in Aliens.
[u][b]3. M-Theory[/b][/u]
I noticed this was mentioned, and if my memory serves me correctly this is tied into multiple/parallel dimensions and string theory. If that is true could this be a science fiction theory used to explain FTL (Faster Than Lightspeed) space travel, in a similar vein to hyperspace conduit (Star Wars) or subspace (Star Trek) that allows vessels to leave our three dimensions, travel FTL, then pop back in.
[u][b]4. Synthetics[/b][/u]
Because of Peter Weyland's proudness regarding his forthcoming Synthetics I can only assume they will feature heavily in Prometheus, and that if, as some of us have presumed, Guy Pearce is a member of the crew of the Prometheus, he could be a synthetic made in the likeness of Peter Weyland.
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Mr.J
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 4:44 PMRead Spaith's tweet...they pick and chose what to keep for the canon...so they dumped the stuff they did not like and kept what was important to the story...
[url=https://twitter.com/#!/jonspaihts/status/174584310261751809]Spaith's Twitter Feed[/url]
Mr.J
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 4:48 PMIt is safe to say from reading Spaith's tweet, they are picking and choosing what they will keep in the canon and dump what they did not consider important to the story, to their story..so I think that they are steering far from AVP and the rest of the series and perhaps used some of Cameron's story, the company name of course and very little after. These guys are telling a new story, yet in the same universe and keeping the bare bones and adding new flesh to the canon...
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteFeb-28-2012 5:01 PMIn that tweet he simply says they have picked and chosen which ideas they like and it seems they like the Charles Weyland idea, remember the website link is weylandindustries.com and the company portrayed in AVP is called Weyland Industries, there is no escaping that.
And age wise (with the video supposedly being recorded March 2023) he could be old enough to be Charles Weyland's son, and seems cut very much from the same cloth, but it looks as though he has much bigger sights for the company doesn't it lol.
Mr.J
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 5:32 PMYeah, seems like he is more ambitious than his father was. I want to say they are just using the name and that is it. I don't think Scott wants to stay far from the AVP canon and post Aliens canon...but it is Lindholf who wrote it and well, he can throw a twist and turn every page...
Frantz
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 5:37 PMWyland+ androids +no remorses company are already elements of Alien and we find them in this video too .... so im not sure if that mean a link to AVPs ( even if there can be a sense of respect by Scott to not damage much the 20th century fox's alien franchise )
Biomechanic
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 6:08 PMHis voice and mannerisms were very irritating to me but I suppose that is the point.
Alien DNA
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 8:34 PMI may be one of the few on here to say it, but I like the AVP series. I own both on blu-ray and watch them from time to time. They have they're faults, but apparently so do some of the main movie sequels and I enjoy watching anyone of them. It really won't bother me if They decide to leave it out or not.
I was originally going to question your AVP continuity though as weylandindustries.com states Peter Weyland to be their founder. However in AVP Charles Weyland owns Weyland Industries of whom Peter already represents in his TED talk. The website I'm referencing may have the Weyland Industries web address, but the logo is for Weyland Corp. which is another business entity of which Peter could be the Founder of without messing with the Charles Weyland founder of Weyland Industries from AVP.
On a side note, his daddy was killed by a Predator if the continuity sticks, so he might be designing Synthetics to kick some Predator butt for revenge LOL.
Alien DNA
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 8:35 PMI may be one of the few on here to say it, but I like the AVP series. I own both on blu-ray and watch them from time to time. They have they're faults, but apparently so do some of the main movie sequels and I enjoy watching anyone of them. It really won't bother me if They decide to leave it out or not.
I was originally going to question your AVP continuity though as weylandindustries.com states Peter Weyland to be their founder. However in AVP Charles Weyland owns Weyland Industries of whom Peter already represents in his TED talk. The website I'm referencing may have the Weyland Industries web address, but the logo is for Weyland Corp. which is another business entity of which Peter could be the Founder of without messing with the Charles Weyland founder of Weyland Industries from AVP. Which would back up your theory.
On a side note, his daddy was killed by a Predator if the continuity sticks, so he might be designing Synthetics to kick some Predator butt for revenge LOL.
Alien DNA
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 8:41 PMOops, can someone delete the first post please. Added one little line to the second, thought I caught the first one.
spacejock
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 8:44 PMIts just an idea, but, I think what we see in the starmap scene could be multiple universes next to each other, one of them is our own universe. maybe, maybe not.
Ripley Clone 8
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 9:20 PMhmmm you have a good point Snorky but I just don't understand the whole concept of how Prometheus could possibly be tied in with AVP. I think Ridley is going for something much more original and Peter Weyland might be just the "start" of Weyland Industries. I mean the Alien series has such a iconic permutation to it and Weyland-Yutani was Ridley's idea. Even though Weyland is part of AVP, AVP alone is a separate stand alone franchise. Ridley to me is just expanding on the mythos and history of Weyland Industries on his own terms while ignoring the whole AVP thing. Plus that speech alone looked much more sophisticated and original than anything Paul Anderson dreamed up in his script.
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Alien DNA
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 9:58 PMWhy even bother mentioning Weyland Industries at all, when you can just call it Weyland Corp. from the beginning. Unless you're at least referencing the AVP movies then it would seem pointless. IMO at least.
I still think it's wise to exclude everything aside from Alien as far as what will remain canon. Unless we see a Queen or a Predator pop up in a trailer of course LOL.
aintnozeno
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 10:07 PMRidley has said he wants ideas that are reasonable enough to be believable right? I always understood that to be in reference to technologies, both human and alien though.
That said, it is common corporate practice, and in some cases legally necessary to change a company name and logo SLIGHTLY at the beginning of a merger or strategic purchase of a smaller company. There are specific reasons for it obviously, as a "corporation" is a very different title than just a company name that is plucked from the air. OK, enough of my rambling.
The point is this: While Ridley has expressed disgust over much of what spun from HIS Alien, it could be self-defeating to completely spit in the face of all of it. There are die-hard fans of the original, but many people just aren't as in tune as some die-hard fans are to the "canon". If he reveals something that blatantly contradicts sequels and spin-offs, then he risks as much bad press as he does good. He MAY allow parts of his story to at least loosely coexist with the movies that came after his original did.
As much as we all like the canon, WE alone won't make hundreds of millions of dollars for Fox. Even the mighty Ridley Scott answers to his studios and distributors. I think this alone was as much the reason he says no zenos this time. If he can't make his vision work with what came after it, he'll re-invent it into something else entirely.
Just my two cents anyway...
aintnozeno
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 10:23 PMThis place is buzzing tonight- so I'm a little behind on the theories...
After reading Spaight's tweet, I further stand behind my previous post. Peaceful coexistence wherever possible by the studios and ALL fans will be what makes the final cut.
Not like we haven't seen it before with other films. I'm not dropping expectations, or complaining. Just saying that in the end, the maximum return in $$$ will be what drives the train, not canon. Besides, what the heck is canon with all the sequels and spin-offs anyway? The first film will always be the "true" alien for me, but I've never griped with anything that came after it. It's gotta be hard to top simplicity AND perfection, right? Everything after the first (ok, the first two) was just an attempt to squeeze a few more bucks from the original's shock and awe. Hopefully, Ridley will turn all of that around and make this work.
Ripley Clone 8
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 10:32 PM@aintnozeno. Great reply. I agree with much you said. Ridley I believe understands that his film started this huge wave of sequels and spin offs. Fans are fans and opinions are clearly opinions. I've seen some pretty crazy opinions from members all over different Alien and AVP forums. The sequels that came after Alien are expanding the story of Ripley and the xenomorph. Ridley I think wants to expand the series in a different direction. He wants to explore Weyland and possibly Yutani as well as the story that went down before Alien. He doens't want to just retread old ground that has been well fleshed out and expanded by other directors. He respects them but he wants to focus on the origins of the Alien series and much of those origins weren't even much discussed or explored in any of the 4 Alien films. Thus creating something entirely original.
Before Prometheus went into production one of the stories that Ridley wanted to explore was the merging of Weyland and Yutani. I thought that was a really interesting concept. Although from rumors, FOX didn't think that idea would warrant much budget wise due to the fact that the film would of been on a much smaller scale that FOX would of liked.
ALIEN, AVP and PREDATOR are all separate franchises. All expanding their own stories and being original to what the previous film entailed. Some claim that all 3 of these franchises connect and intertwine but story wise and franchise wise their all separate. And to me each franchise is separate from the other.
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craigamore
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 10:34 PMSorry Snorky....but Sir Ridley himself stated in the Filmophobia article, dated 12/17/11, and I qoute, "By the end of the third act you start to realize there’s a DNA of the very first alien, [b]but none of the subsequent aliens[/b]. To tell you what that is is a pity, and I’m not going to tell you, because it’s actually pretty good, pretty organic to the process and to the original. But we go back, we don’t go forward."
Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 12:00 AMDidn't it end up as Weyland-Yutani industries? I watched all 4 of the Alien movies last night and I coulda sworn I saw that when the kid rides past the sign in Aliens...... Maybe I was hallucinating..... I'll look again......
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Xenophobe
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 4:06 AMI definitly agree that a synthetic version of Weyland will be on the Prometheus mission. . . A synthetic who's gonna keep an eye on the mission perhaps.
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteFeb-29-2012 4:36 AM@ Craigamore - That is true, but Ridley has also said the following...
1. This is not an Alien prequel
2. This is an Alien prequel
3. There are no Xenomorphs
4. There may be a Facehugger
5. The only link to Alien is Weyland Corp
6. Only the last 8 minutes will tie into Alien ("Alien DNA")
If we think back over the last twelve months we have been sent from pillar to post by Ridley and his elves. for example all this talk of terraforming first appeared in the Alien franchise in Aliens as did the by-line "Building Better Worlds", isn't that [b]one of the subsequent Aliens[/b].
Think about it man, he's playing us like a yo-yo.
@ Cypher - No, what you saw in Aliens was Weyland-Yutani Corporation - Building Better Worlds.
Rick
MemberXenomorphFeb-29-2012 5:41 AMOh Oh Oh Oh and Craigo n Snorkler
I told you the company knew everything about the "convoluted" mess with my Aliens 2.5. That speech from Peter just confirmed it.......I know you hate it, I love it. Does this at least sway you towards my "Corporate Behind the Scenes" theory? I think the speech made it totally obvious that from the top down the corporation had a lot of cloak and dagger stuff going on from A through A:Rez.
Another Theory that does tie into AvP and I think this is key to W-Y. I'd be willing to wager $5 that Mr. Weyland and Ms. Yutani marry and merge the corporations into a super-conglom. Or somehow their parallel paths merge while both on the chase for the goal. See my current theory has the companies chasing separate aliens. Yutani's after the Predators Tech (ie the gun in AvP:R), and Weyland after the Engineers Tech. Both races considered to be Gods in their own rights. For me the puzzle pieces jsut fell together.
Off to work,
Rick
Sorry guys I'm getting one of those "told you so" moments with the corporation. LOL
Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 5:48 AMYepper I was hallucinating then :-P thats what happens when you're up early and go to bed at unForcely hours :-D
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Rick
MemberXenomorphFeb-29-2012 6:00 AMCypher you is defo seeing things. There is no "Force" in the Alien universe. Fox vs. Lucas.....Hmmmm......would be a weird fight. Go to bed no more Prometheus crack
Rick
MemberXenomorphFeb-29-2012 6:10 AMLOL I just got my first cup o joe. Snorks you needed to edit that first post about being the sites "theory writer". You are one of our many theory writers. I thought I drove that home with Aliens 2.5 and my corp behind the scenes tie in. Sorry I'm doing the happy dance I got it right with the corp involvement tieing the franchise together.
Snorks, I will dub you Sir Snorks the "Fake Script Writer". We all do love them though, you're a great story writer.
But now that Guy Pierce did the TED thing, I really really think Scott is going to tie Blade into the whole franchise. My question would be why the hell not? Fox tied Predators to Alien with AvP, so why can't Scott tie both of his two sci-fi's together? Man this movie is soooo going to be a new cult classic.
Regards,
Rick
Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 6:26 AMNoooooo! I just need some of what you're having Rick. Coffee FTW! :-P Nah I been working my butt off the last couple days, and just got approved for a house to move into so it's all been worth it :-P my cat is the one on crack :-D Promethean or otherwise..................
Oh and this isn't a slight against anyone religious at all, but if people are allowed to believe the Bible and a Dog, (my dyslexia showing?......:-p) I can believe in the word of a bearded fat dude that keeps changing his mind what he wants in there as my religion. So ner :-P
Don't you persecrute my religious beliefs!!! As Stan Marsh once said :-P
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Gavin
MemberTrilobiteFeb-29-2012 7:32 AMDone rick.
I like your take on the different corps chasing different aliens, but I don't see how this fits into your Alien 2.5. You're gonna need to explain that one mate
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 7:48 AMMy take
The entire AVP crap does NOT belong in or as part of this Franchise.
it's the 4 Films starring Weaver and this one...
PERIOD.
Alien DNA
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 8:34 AM"AVP crap"----- Man that hurts my feelings. LOL.
They can keep the predators in the loop if they want to, but I don't think it's necessary. I'm a Predators fan first, so that may be why I like the movies as I'm not offended with their take on the Xenos. The movies do lean towards the Predator style of film than the Alien style don't they?
I agree he's more likely to tie in Blade Runner to this than to keep AVP in. He's even stated that in the originals that he envisioned the future being owned by large companies, so they do fit rather well. I am still curious about the use of Weyland Industries, maybe just to throw the fans off the real scent if it's not a reference to AVP. BTW, the future being owned by large companies, so where does Wall-E fit into all of this LOL.
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