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MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 5:21 PMlets see a decade ago not much was different....lcd screens were pricier..ummm nothing has advanced...and in 11 years asimo aint going to be indistinguishable from us...they havent even completed ground 0...we dont even have electri cars..just hybrids
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Frantz
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 5:23 PMi dont think its so important ...science-FICTION after all ...lets not be picky or we ruin everything just for the sake to be picky .

flacnvinyl
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 5:26 PMWeyland hasn't brought his tech to the world yet. That's coming soon.
20thcenturybuick
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 5:27 PMthere is realistic fiction that takes place in our world with our rules and then pure fantasy
alien was VERY realistic..space travel was not shown as glamorous or fantastic....it wasnt star trek

CrazyDave55811
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 5:44 PMEh, true. We were going to have flying cars and stuff by the year 2000. It's 2012 now and all these technologically-feasible things, such as nanotechnology and cybernetics, are too rare to even be noticed by everybody.
Though there is that Large Hadron Collider, which was supposed to kill us all in 2008 as part of some experiment of epic proportions to generate some blackhole or something (some physics phenomena named after some guy), but we've not been hearing much about that. As for the whole "killing us" thing, that's actually some fearmongering people were spreading just on account of because.
Anyway, I guess 2023 is quite soon. Hell it's only 11 years away from now. But do remember that this is a work of fiction, even if some of what we will see is plausible.

red hood
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 6:23 PMYeah the time line suxs. I agree whole heartly. But it's just another corner the series is boxed into. Just like the SJ dead in the chair. Makes no sense. Only thing we will have towards next decade is over $5 gas and a jug of milk right up there. The cost of creating this stuff just isn't there. Also I'm sure my posting to this thread will kill it. Shazbot nano nano

scooterjockey
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 6:34 PMPlus - this video is part of a 50-year celebration of the 2023 Ted Talks - suggesting that this is being posted as though it was actually 2073...
does that help?
from the "Weyland Corp" page: "Considered a seminal moment in the career of our founder Peter Weyland, this 2023 TED Talk launched Weyland Corp into the international spotlight.
To honor this historic event, Weyland Corp is planning to offer a new round of investment soon. Interested parties can expect to find out more within the next few days."

Biomechanic
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 6:39 PMI think the point of the speech was there are certain great achievements that helped to create technological advancements. Once we harness a certain technology it causes an exponential growth in many fields. If we succeeded in making a humanoid computer that can theorize and calculate the high math of physics 24/7 and replicate a better smarter faster model of itself with which it can collate with it could change the way the world looks in a very short time.
Weyland wants investors so he can start creating a super computer android smarter than any human could ever hope to be and who will live forever. Once created these machines will manipulate reality in ways the human mind is incapable of understanding. The question is will they help us catch up or decide we are neanderthals and a waste of time ?

craigamore
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 7:21 PMVery good point @scooterjockey.....I already felt as though there was no reason to expect that 'Prometheus' entirely in the period of the video.....and you made the excellent point about the 50 year celebration......

Rizzle
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 7:24 PMI reckon they will have the ability to make perfect android replicas, which in every way look like human beings, by around the middle of this century. Without the brain of course! That will come later!
Asimo is far from the best they can do, in terms of creating a human looking robot.
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By the time they figure out how to build a positronic brain, they will already have perfected a body, to put it in.
In the speech, Weyland says that androids are on the way, so David and Ash haven't been created by 2023, but 2085 is a reasonable time-frame.

Biomechanic
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 7:31 PM@craighmore and scooterjockey
But in the speech Weyland says "At this moment now civilization can create cybernetic individuals who in just a few short years will be completely indistinguishable from us."
Meaning cybernetic individuals are a reality during the speech and he expects them to become like human in a few short years not 50.
I think this speech is important because it is the creation story of the the android lineage. They will be a big part of who makes the big discoveries and who runs things in business and government from now on. I think they will be responsible for giving the prometheus crew the ability to get where they are going and they will make sure they alone hold the secrets that are discovered along the way.

artyoh
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 8:24 PMSaying that a particular sci-fi property is too optomistic, is hardly an indictment of its' overall quality. "2001" is a good example of a groundbreaking, visionary piece that was too optomistic about where we'd be by the end of the last century.

Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 9:20 PMHang on... If ththe TED speech is in 2023.... And Prometheus isn't meant to happen until 2085-90...... Could the old guy in the trailer that seems to be protected by those mercenary guys as they come in shooting be.... Peter Weyland himself?
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red hood
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 9:23 PMAnother problem with time line is the original alien ship. Thats only 40 years out. That ship was sent out to a place even further away than lv429 or is it lv426? And that place must had workers or atleast been scoped by humans. Equipment ships built and tested. America does't even have a program much anymore. Time line is bad. But the movie will be awesome.

Biomechanic
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 9:47 PMWhat if it was all planned? Maybe he found a clue to the beginnings of man that pointed to a place in space that was too far off to get to in his life time? He never gives up so he raises enough money to creates very smart androids to run the business and to work on new technology while he goes into suspended animation hypersleep. He awakens many years later and everything is in place for him to make the journey with the crew of the prometheus on their mission of discovery.

aintnozeno
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2012 10:44 PM@ Biomechanic: Cybernetic Individuals exist today. Check out some of the Iraq war vets and their artificial limbs. No rubber noses, but working replacement limbs with the ability for manipulation. Human-like hands that VERY closely recreate the real thing. Artificial organs have been used with varying results over the years, but they are still out there. The term may not mean much to us in this time, but 11 years from now could very well be commonplace.
@ Red Hood: With all due respect, nobody said anywhere that I know of in Alien, Aliens, or any others that the American space program would even exist in that fictional future. Don't get me wrong, as I am a proud American myself. Just saying that corporations are already taking big bites into space travel. They will be financially and logistically in better shape to do it than governments will be if the world economies continue as they are now. Like Cybernetics, it has already begun.
Both concepts completely possible, with just a little more tech than what we currently have. The exact type scenarios Ridley has commented on for this story.

shardy
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 12:53 AMi agree with you 100% 20thcenturybuick
i think 2223 or even 2123 would make a bit more sense,
but what's done is done, and given that this is fiction, the timeline that has
been put forth is what it is, and not much we can do to correct it to better fit
what we feel would be more plausible
ah well...
20thcenturybuick
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 3:29 PMinterstellar space travel in ten years....waaaaaaay waaaaaay too soon
bullshit the space program can barely land a rover on mars without it being a colossal fuck up..yeah there are robot arms and sure you can make sa skin graph ear but this is more 100 years from now not ten...ten years is nothing...things barely change
oh and boos stop harassing me dont post in my topics..lets not feed you
in ten years we'll have a new fucking iphone...and theyll still be working out how to make an electric car actually go fast
interstellar space travel in ten years...youve got to be shitting me...thats not even happening in 30 years....spacetravel has not boomed look at 2001...there is the shuttle and the iss but there are noi hotels on the moon just yet...and that was ten years ago
try in 100 years

Quinntas
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 9:49 PMIf I may, Biomech said something I think is important. You can't have interstellar travel without Hypersleep.
"why don't you just FREEZE him?!" was said about Ash's condition.
A similar echo was with Lance Henriksen portrayal of Weyland going foward even when things were terminal for him: "I need this".
It's no leap that Weyland would use Hypersleep to prolong his life, with instructions that when certain conditions arose to wake.
I identify with the OP on the date of the speech, but we don't have a complete picture of the films structure yet. If anything, I highly suspect the timeline will jump even more. I'm not talking time travel, but there very well could be some. Event Horizon comes to mind. A sort of before-the-ship-was-built, jump to after-the-ship-is-enroute. This is not a cheat but a narrative device to give a film much more scale, think Lawrence of Arabia.
I've read other posts that poo-poo'd the idea of time travel, but any FTL will have a time discrepancy for anyone back home. Even hypersleep would return you younger than everyone left behind who was not in hypersleep. At least, that's what I gathered when Ripley returned looking maybe 8 years older, not 57 years by any means.
just my 2 cents, and worth every penny. :)

alteredstate.
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 9:53 PMWell it stands to reason that if you can genetically engineer robots then the chances are you may well of found the fountain of youth to in genetic engineering . The ability to preserve youth.

alteredstate.
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 10:00 PMWe have all seen the pictures of guy pearce in the space suits the crew are wearing and he has not aged in those so i guess he has developed a superior anti ageing cream that doesn't resemble botox lol.

Quinntas
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 10:02 PM^ Right. He is either a synthetic, or they froze him. But is there a third possibility?

Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 10:07 PMAnyone ever thought that maybe Peter Weyland thought that they could possibly discover the Fountain of Youth or something similar on the expedition? And that if he stayed on Earth he may die before the expedition got back there? Hence, he goes with them...... Just another thought...... Could also explain why we hear "We were wrong..... We were so wrong....." at the start of the trailer...........
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alteredstate.
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 10:11 PMyes genetic recoding of the ageing cells the ability to prevent cells from dying off and losing the skins elasticity and possibly the ability to prevent bone decay tooth rot etc . There is a jelly fish that exists here on earth that never ages perhaps the dna of a creature like that has or could be used through genetic manipulation to preserve youth.
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