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Diesektor

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 8:18 AM
i found this article that i thought was interesting- i thought it gave a few good points, what do you think? http://www.coronacomingattractions.com/news/5-reasons-why-prometheus-may-be-bad-alien-movie As I write these words we’re three months away from watching Prometheus, Ridley Scott’s big return to science fiction movies. The Prometheus movie marketing hype has just kicked up a notch with the reveal of the TED 2023 talk. As the clock ticks down to Prometheus’ June 8 opening we’ll see the marketing escalate, and more of the movie’s secrets (and its increasingly likely strong connections to the first Alien movie) emerge from the shadows. But it’s still a long three months to go until Prometheus actually arrives. Obviously, I can’t judge the movie until I’ve seen it but that doesn’t mean I can’t comment on what my gut and head are whispering to me, and why Prometheus could very well not turn out to be the redeemer of the Alien movie franchise but a trip down a blind alley. Why be a critic of Prometheus this early out? Because that’s my job, and because I’ve been a fan of the world of Alien since I saw the original movie in 1979. I’m happy to see Ridley coming back to sci-fi – his voice and vision of future worlds has been sorely missed in cinema since the summer of 1982 and Blade Runner – but that doesn’t give him a pass. Alien isn’t just one of Ridley Scott’s best movies, it’s given the world of movies one of its most iconic monsters ever, right up there with Karloff’s Frankenstein and Spielberg’s Bruce the great white shark from Jaws. Alien elevated the genre at the time everyone was trying to imitate Star Wars, and it also gave the modern era of movies its first true female action hero, Ripley. So even if it were Stanley Kubrick, god rest his soul, who had descended from Heaven above and been given a billion dollar budget by the Creator, I’d still be skeptical of Prometheus until I’ve seen it. All that said, here’s why the devil on my shoulder is dubious about the chances of fair Prometheus: (Possible story spoilers for Prometheus are ahead -- so don't say that I didn't warn you.) 1. Explaining the origins of The Space Jockey Alien is the perfect haunted house story set in outer space in two ways: with the spooky alien spaceship that the Nostromo astronauts find on the surface of the planetoid, and later with the monster running loose inside the dark hallways and rooms of the Nostromo. Those are two different kinds of haunted houses, but it’s the first one that provides the great mystery at the heart of the film: who was the Space Jockey, the fossilized being that Dallas, Lambert and Kane found in the ship? Where did he/it come from? Why was it transporting a cargo hold full of alien eggs? How did it get impregnated with a chestburster, and where did that Alien go? The mystery of the Space Jockey and the story of how it came to its final resting place should remain unknown. I get that it’s tempting to follow that siren call and explain how the creature came to meet its end and the origin of the Alien eggs, but unless your idea can deliver on everyone’s expectations you’re almost certainly bound for failure. There are even three expensive examples that prove my point; they’re called Star Wars Episode I to III. Showing Darth Vader as a little kid, and then later as a lovesick Jedi Knight that kills innocent little kids, did nothing to add to the allure of seeing Vader that first time in Episode IV. Will showing the Space Jockey and revealing his origins really own up to not knowing and letting your imagination run wild? The great thing about Alien’s Space Jockey or its ship or the eggs is that you don’t know how they got there and you were never supposed to. It was an unknowable mystery, and it made you think about how big the universe is and how humans known nothing about what’s lying around out there. Why can’t some mysteries remain not known? Do we really need to see that the Space Jockey is just some big human-looking guy that was wearing a biomechanical space suit, as the quick glimpses in Prometheus’ first trailer hint at? I’d be all for seeing an Alien prequel or side-quel showing us more of the universe out there but I would have left the Space Jockey race alone. 2. How much did The Company know? I don’t know the whole story to Prometheus so I’m taking a guess on how much knowledge Weyland’s space business will know about the Alien and the Jockey ship at the end of the Prometheus movie. From Alien, we know that the company knows something; they replaced the regular Nostromo science guy with Ash the robot before the freighter set out. Prometheus is supposed to be set about 30 years before the events of Alien, so why did it take the Weyland corporation so long to follow up on what happened to the Prometheus? Sure, maybe there’s a solid reason for the three decade wait and we’ll see it played out in the movie, but then again, maybe we won’t. The worst case scenario is that the company will know a) the Prometheus encountered a new lifeform, and b) a more advanced extraterrestrial spacefaring species. If the ship is lost and never heard from again (which does seem likely; it’s not like WY would send a dinky space freighter to investigate that moon if they knew the importance of what was there), why wait for that length of time? What changed between the end of Prometheus and the beginning of Alien? By the end of Prometheus I’m hoping that Damon Lindelof will have addressed this plot point. Then again, Lindelof didn’t wrap all of the dangling story threads in Lost. 3. Where are the Aliens? Who are the bad guys? Right from the start of when the greenlight for Prometheus was given the studio and filmmakers have distanced themselves from the Alien franchise. They’ve avoided directly acknowledging that there will be a Giger-looking Alien creature design in Prometheus; Scott’s even gone so far to say that the look of the Alien isn’t scary anymore to audiences, and he’s probably right. But Prometheus still needs an antagonist for its storyline, a villain that drives the story forward. So, unless it’s one of the human crewmembers, the Space Jockeys or something else that we’ve not yet seen (and I’m doubtful of that), there are no Aliens in Prometheus. I’m fine with that, but what I’m concerned about is the rumors about who the villains are in the movie. According to several message forum posts on Alien fansites, several of the crewmembers from Prometheus are exposed to a substance that changes their DNA into “star beasts”, Alien-like biomechanical lifeforms. These reports, as well as a supposed synopsis of the movie’s major plot points, leaked online before official photos or the Prometheus trailer were out. The images showing Noomi Rapace and Michael Fassbender’s characters standing inside a gloomy chamber with a giant stone-like face also show elliptical containers on the ground. They look like weird barrels, about the height of one of those leathery eggs that Kane saw in the Jockey’s ship. The similarities between the two environments suggest that there’s something to this rumor, as well as rapid shots in the trailer that show a spacesuited Prometheus crewmember doing a super-leap onto another. If Scott and Lindelof are indeed using some kind of Space Jockey-made mutating DNA gel as the mechanism to change some of Prometheus’ crew into proto-Alien forms, why? Do they really need to go down the same road that so many other sci-fi/horror hybrid movies have done? This kind of body horror has been played out and done so many times before in movies that it would feel cheap to see it in an Alien movie, especially one done by Ridley Scott. In fact, one of the rejected screenplays for Alien 3 turned the Alien into a virus that could change people and even ships into biomechanical beings. It read like a lame idea back then and I hope that it’s not being done now. I would like to be very wrong about this. 4. Who is Elizabeth Shaw? If you’ve been following the development of Prometheus from the start you may have forgotten about how important Noomi Rapace and her character Elizabeth Shaw is supposed to be. She’s not front and center in the trailer and Rapace hasn’t been seen in the viral marketing starting up, but that doesn’t change the fact that she was one of the first cast, or that it’s been hinted that Shaw is going to be around the longest in Prometheus, or she's certainly the most important. That’s Shaw’s voice in the Prometheus trailer saying “I’m so sorry, we were so wrong.” That’s Noomi Rapace wearing a spacesuit and running away from what appears to be the same design ship (if not the actual same spaceship) as the Jockey’s, falling to the ground, in the trailer. Is Elizabeth Shaw supposed to be a new Ripley? If Prometheus is a fresh start for the Alien franchise, should there automatically be a female as the film’s central character? Elizabeth Shaw could wind up reminding the audience too much about Ellen Ripley, and what happens if we wind up liking Ripley better than Shaw? There’s also that rumored storyline floating around. It states that Shaw’s parents were archeologists that discovered evidence of ancient extraterrestrial contact in Africa. Shaw grew up in her parents’ footsteps and went on the Prometheus mission because she believes that they will find the race that visited Earth in the past. Eventually she winds up playing an incredibly important role in the origins of mankind. I think that the trap Ridley Scott could fall victim to is believing that because his movie is set in the universe of Alien, that there has to be a Ripley-like character in it. If Shaw winds up being the sole survivor at the end of Prometheus, then the comparison between her and Ripley will be blatant. 5. The Big Questions One of the ways that Ridley Scott ground Alien in reality was by showing us a crew of “space truckers”, blue-collar workers that had a job in space. These guys woke up the same way we do, got ready for another day at work and griped about how much money they were earning. Up to Alien those humanizing elements in sci-fi movies were non-existent. Alien didn’t worry about explaining how the Nostromo went faster than light, or how many worlds humans had spread out to live on. It kept its story centered on one big concept: fear. And it worked very well. Prometheus is marketing itself as something different. Alien had the tagline, “In space no one can hear you scream,” but with Prometheus, it’s “The search for our beginning could lead to our end.” Again, back to that rumored storyline: it says that the Prometheus finds the alien race that created Mankind. By stealing the technology that made the human race, human beings unexpectedly create the Aliens. Eventually Shaw and the android David wind up traveling hundreds of millions of years into the past and play a critical part in how all life on Earth begins. Putting aside the disquieting notion that a movie titled Alien and about the discovery of something really alien may be retro'ed by what we see happen in Prometheus, these are grand, big concepts that I love to see handled in science fiction. But should time travel and the origins of life on Earth be in an Alien movie? Big ideas are great, but it’s damn near impossible to put big ideas into movies that focus on emotions that drive characters. For an example, let’s look at two movies: Jaws and 2001: A Space Odyssey. In Jaws, the story is about a great white shark that menaces a small coastal community. The sheriff of the town becomes the central character, and he faces his fear of the water and of being eaten alive. Eventually he kills the shark and saves his own life and the town. 2001’s main character isn’t introduced until halfway through the movie. Kubrick’s movie begins by showing the origins of humanity, and how an alien presence helped apes evolve into humans. Then we’re off into space and going to the moon, where another monolith sends our story off to Jupiter. We’re then introduced to the film’s main character, astronaut Dave Bowman, who has to showdown with a homicidal computer named HAL. It’s here that we have a section of 2001 where there’s a strong individual character arc driven by survival, but once Bowman defeats HAL he’s off to face the Jupiter monolith and then face his destiny as the Starchild. These grand ideas are common in the genre of science fiction, and the genre is a great birthing pool for these weighty philosophical ideas. But they don’t suit the kind of stories being told in Alien or Jaws where the protagonist has to face the challenge and overcome it. Action and the cerebral can work together but the balance is delicate and must be finely tuned to the particular story being told. Maybe that’s exactly what Ridley Scott, Damon Lindelof and Jon Spaihts have done with Prometheus, but it’s a damn hard thing to do, and it’s a lot easier if you pick one direction to take. As I started with at the beginning of this article, we’re three months out from the release of Prometheus and I can’t tell you whether it’s a movie that wants to tell its story about big ideas set within the horror genre or a horror movie that has big ideas in its background.
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Frantz

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 9:07 AM
I think only the point 5 is worth to be considered ...the other 4 can be dealt in 23918 different ways and dont make a movie good or bad . The balance between action and deep thoughts is SO difficult ... i think just Bladerunner is a great example of that ( btw Alien had no big thoughts ,just emotions and sensations ,and it did work great )

Guest

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 9:17 AM
Hey Die, Nice post and thought provoking. Now let me ask you this. How would Prometheus take away from Alien? My argument would be that Ridley already did the Fear/Suspense factor part of the movie, now lets take it to the next level and reflect on why it scared the hell out of us and I think that is where he is going with Prometheus, I think the so called potential sequel will take us back to the fear factor and leave us on the cliff again. I just pray we don't see Robin Hood in space. Regards, Rick

Where's Wierzbowski

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 9:46 AM
My hope for Prometheus is that it's a prequel that doesn't dispel all the mystery of "Alien". This can be accomplished by delving into the Space Jockeys without worrying about the particular SJ seen in "Alien". If the SJ's are established as god-like bio-mechanical engineers, it explains Weyland-Yutani's interest in the species. If the crew is lost, it also explains why Weyland is monitoring space for any indication on how to find them, and why the Nostromo has a science officer and why it has standing orders to investigate any alien transmission. Prometheus can effectively set the stage for why the events in Alien occurred. We don't need to know why the SJ crashed on LV-426, but now when we see what the Nostromo crew found, we instantly know it's bad - very bad. That ship could have crashed (a long time ago) for a reason that has nothing to do with Prometheus. Taking this approach would mean that it isn't necessary for a classic xenomorph to appear in Prometheus, either. Only the potential, which frees up Ridley to create something different. Wrapping all this up - it means that technically Prometheus does have only tenuous connections to Alien. But very cool ones :-)

Guest

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 10:56 AM
Thanks for posting that - well thought-out (which is a rarity amidst all this speculation) and also a bit of a buzz kill ;). I will address each of the points: 1) There is a whole lot of truth to this. Mystery trumps full exposure in this kind of movie most of the time. There are few movies these days will show you a scene like the space jockey and not explain it somehow, as ALIEN did. We can only trust RS to have made the right choices 2) I agree that W-Y could know as little as possible about what happened, or exactly where. As an afterthought, they would think "oh, we have a freighter scheduled to bypass the vicinity, might as well send an undercover android just in case". 3) Agreed, to a point. Sure there could be something we haven't seen yet. Just because we haven't seen it in the trailer doesn't make it unlikely. And a substance that makes inorganic materials organic isn't a stretch, and not necessarily a bad idea, if done right. 4) As Wierzbowski says, a non-starter. The least thing I'm worried about is Shaw's comparing to Ripley. She's probably more of Foster's Contact character - obsessed with her father's destiny - only it doesn't end up so well ;) 5) Again, agreed that grand ideas are very hard to merge with action and great entertainment. But if anyone can give it a go, RS is it. More when I think about this more...

EGR101

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 11:58 AM
You are spectacularly wrong on #3 : Who are the bad guys? We only have a "Teaser" to speculate on. There isn't a full trailer and I don't think Fox or Ridley is planning to release one if they want to go "Retro" on this project. We don't know what the film is about. The plot speculations could be just that. And even worse, a studio sanctioned dis-information to keep the real plot under wraps. Divide & Conquer. You are wrong, wrong on #4: Who is Elizabeth Shaw? Noomi Rapace is a fantastic actress. Watch the original Swedish GIRL WITH DRAGON TATTOO. She is fearless in that movie, a woman used & abused (literally) by the system & finally get her revenge by uncovering a dark conspiracy among Swedish elites. PROMETHEUS will probably have the same kind of arc for Noomi's Shaw character. You are quite right on Reason #1 & #5 This is what I am afraid of. I would rather PROMETHEUS not to use the Alien mythology for fear of diluting the greatness of ALIEN and hampering the potential greatness of the new movie. You could almost see a bunch of careerist execs sitting in a board room tearing these movie ideas apart, and pitching in their own Marketing 101 ideas, filmmaking by committee is the most destructive thing that Hollywood could do to their own potentially fantastic projects. "It's kinda 2001 crossed with BLADE RUNNER mixed with ALIEN" "Can we have MEN IN BLACK only done as a horror?" "No, we should mix in some STAR TREK elements in there. The reboot did $200 million, baby!" You could see Ridley gets lost in the shuffle, and looks at his team, and shakes his head: "Maybe we ARE doing AVP 3"

the walls are alive

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 12:01 PM
I think alot of fans are anticipating the "alien beast" to be the end result of the space jockey's experiments. Personally I feel like it would dead end the whole concept of gods and engineers. The alien will likely be a byproduct of this movie and the plot will not focus on its development at all. I'm sick of hearing about "protohuggers" and garbage like that, Ridley would not make a movie that promises a very large scope just to end up with the alien as the end result. The alien series is a tiny piece of a puzzle and this movie will likely zoom out and show us the big picture.

GreatBoosUp

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 12:23 PM
If the author of this article doesn't want to know the mystery behind the Space Jockey on the derelict ship in Alien, then he shouldn't see Prometheus. If anyone is qualified to explore the Space Jockey race, it's Ridley. The director of Alien is bringing some of the original artists and writers to help him explore the Space Jockeys too. H.R.Giger, Walter Hill and David Giler are working on Prometheus just as they worked on Alien. Yes it's possible that the treatment of the Space Jockeys could flop in Prometheus, but if anyone should tackle it, Ridley is the man to make that attempt. He and his former partners have had over 30 years to consider the origins of the Space Jockeys. When the director of Alien and Blade Runner announces he's directing another science fiction film, you can be damned sure I will be in line waiting to buy a ticket the day Prometheus premieres!

CBT1979

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 12:56 PM
Well, nowadays many blockbusters Can be top or flop, no matter how high the budget is or The Actors u have. but me and many alien fans Want a movie that is linked with The original Alien movie, though Not neccessarily showing the Xenomorph but a hint of that Biomechanic species. I think the main difference bewteen ALIEN and PROMETHEUS is that alien Was a low budget movie without basing on a fan community. now Prometheus is a quite high budget Movie with an audience that has seen many sci-fi horror movies. Of course it will be more tough For prometheus to live up the Hype.

OrganicLife

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 1:11 PM
Frantz just about hits it on the head...unless Scott has seriously lost his touch, no one is better equipped to handle the challenges of making this movie, and Bladerunner is a perfect example of that. Comparing Prometheus to Star Wars I-III...that is a bit much. We have no reason to expect Ridley to blow it as badly as Lucas did. The man literally went nuts towards the end of his career, I think his latest films show that quite clearly.

NCC 1701

Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 2:06 PM
What i seen on the trailer and its effects so far , how can it be bad ,i don`t buy it ,,it will not be A FLOP

snugs

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 2:21 PM
I share a lot of Diesektor's concerns about this film, I really do. Primarilly the way in which (it appears) that the SJ is going to be explained. The SJ is probably the most fascinating part of Alien and really does suggest that the universe is vast, ancient and in comprehensible. Therefore if the SJ does turn out to be that blue dude in a frigging space suit, well all I can say is in my opinion this would be an extremely lazy explanation. I am hoping that I am proven wrong.

Guest

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 2:33 PM
What it will take to make Prometheus equally enjoyable to Alien? Here are key elements and some points in Alien that made it one of the top ten movies ever 6. cast - acting believable and feel like it really happened 5. dark suspenseful music - awesome score for a movie - puts a perfect mood in every spot of the movie eg. main title showing space, crew on the planet and in the derelict ship. 4. story -crazed android controled by corporate instructions -discovering new alien life form -alien killing all members of crew and the surprise and notice of intelligence this alien can be going to the escape pod. 3. unexplained events or things that appear in the movie (make you think and talk about after watching it) -corporate knowledge of life forms in outer space -dead space jockey -mysterious shape of the derelict space craft and eggs -why android on board a commercial towing vehicle -origins of these aliens -who controls the corporation humans or androids 2. dark visuals -outer space, planet and space craft -internal structure of derelect -planet surface 1. something innovative and shock the audience -alien life cycle My thoughts right now based on pics and on the trailer for this movie Prometheus not impressed. Hopefully I'm wrong about this and they are not showing the good stuff. This movie does not seem dark and mysterious at all. You get a sense that it's based on androids in the movie and less about aliens. Possiblity space jockey alien is a blue human in a creepy space suit. Bad guys are possessed crew members. What I think the alien planet too clean nothing like in Alien. Technology based on Prometheus looks too advanced compared to Alien. I still think it will be a hit when it comes out, but the plot may disappoint fans of Alien.

CROSSGENETX

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 2:40 PM
What it will take to make Prometheus equally enjoyable to Alien? Here are key elements and some points in Alien that made it one of the top ten movies ever 6. cast - acting believable and feel like it really happened 5. dark suspenseful music - awesome score for a movie - puts a perfect mood in every spot of the movie eg. main title showing space, crew on the planet and in the derelict ship. 4. story -crazed android controled by corporate instructions -discovering new alien life form -alien killing all members of crew and the surprise and notice of intelligence this alien can be going to the escape pod. 3. unexplained events or things that appear in the movie (make you think and talk about after watching it) -corporate knowledge of life forms in outer space -dead space jockey -mysterious shape of the derelict space craft and eggs -why android on board a commercial towing vehicle -origins of these aliens -who controls the corporation humans or androids 2. dark visuals -outer space, planet and space craft -internal structure of derelect -planet surface 1. something innovative and shock the audience -alien life cycle My thoughts right now based on pics and on the trailers for this movie Prometheus not impressed. Hopefully I'm wrong about this and they are not showing the good stuff. This movie does not seem dark and mysterious at all. You get a sense that it's based on androids in the movie and less about aliens. Possiblity space jockey alien is a blue human in a creepy space suit. Bad guys are possessed crew members. I think the alien planet too clean nothing like in Alien. Technology based on Prometheus looks too advanced compared to Alien. I still think it will be a hit when it comes out, but the plot may disappoint Alien fans.

craigamore

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 2:42 PM
@snugs.....this business of "Therefore if the SJ does turn out to be that blue dude in a frigging space suit, well all I can say is in my opinion this would be an extremely lazy explanation." I'm sorry but that comes off as lazy.....you're reacting to a clip that lasts 1.02 seconds, if that, the blue guy can be the SpaceJockey and 'Prometheus' can still blow our minds. The point I'm driving at, and the author of the article even admits this, is that there is so little to go on at this point, none of us has any business worrying.....yet. I understand everyone's concerns and I have mine, but they're rolling off my back right now BECAUSE WE HAVE VIRTUALLY NOTHING TO GO ON. And, even more than that, any connection to 'Alien' that this movie has, Ridley and Damon are insistent that its its own deal, with its own ideas....yes, its a prequel, but its its own, self contained piece.......let it breathe people. Elements of every single one of those five umbrella-like concerns can be in this movie and 'Prometheus' still has the potential to be fantastic. There simply is not enough to go on...relax everybody.

facehugger1

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 3:06 PM
Despite some concerns about not wanting to reveal the nature of the space jockey...this story line should have been the next iteration of the franchise- even before Aliens. Knowing Ridley's penchant for detail and refinement, Prometheus is going to be quite the movie experience. I would say that the link to the original Alien will be minor at best- the real story will be that bio engineered organisms have run amok and threaten the space jockey's race - at the behest of its human engineer creators- fighting to stave off a similar fate foisted upon them by the jockeys when they go on their search for their own origins. Someone mentioned that Walter Hill, Giger et al were also working on it tells me it will be something special. I plan on seeing it as soon as it comes out. BTW I also read on another fan site a guy tying to psyche up his daughter for the film by showing the original alien and she thought it to be sooo boring- in this ADD world what do you expect- she said AVP was "way cooler"- OUCH! Don't worry Ridley- Tons of baby boomers and Gen Xers wll be flocking in to see it regardless!

visualizer

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 3:29 PM
I share absolutely none of these worries. I believe in expectation and anticipation, and if I get disappointed, then I was still worth it.

snugs

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 3:42 PM
Craigamore - You speak the truth in so far as I am reacting to a small clip from a small trailer, of a huge film. The reason I believe that the blue humanoid as the SJ [b]would[/b] be 'lazy' is because it would remove the need to try and bring the SJ form to life. The original form is so exotic and non human that I just believe that it deserves more. However non of us know whether the SJ is humanoid, we are simply guessing from what Ridley said about the 'suit'. As I also said in my post I hope that I am proven wrong.

Guest

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 4:07 PM
@Diesektor: i understand the point of your post i myself hold ALIEN in a really high regard, and knowing that someone, ANY one (even Ridley Scott himself) has decided to tamper, or in this case reveal some of the mystery i have grown to love and admire about ALIEN with a brand new film, really took me aback, and even disturbed me a bit when i first read that Scott was going to do a film that "has the DNA of ALIEN in it", particularly with it's origins... with that said, when i look back on what a special film i feel ALIEN to be, it is in essence, a b-movie plot, told in an extraordinary way it's the tone of that film that i feel sets it apart from ALL other science fiction films i've seen, it is a work of suspenseful cinematic artwork to me, and still holds my fascination even today, even after seeing that film well over 100+ times now i think how the film could "fail" per se, is that the general film going audience is much harder to impress these days, (most of us) have been there / done that with most of what it put out today from the big studios, our naivety is kinda of gone in regards to what can keep our attention in a dark theater ironically, ALIEN had a part in making me harder to please and with the internet, we have only become harder to satisfy, with being able to read how a film is being made, and spoilers to me, i think the days of the Star Wars style "blockbuster" (sadly) are gone, i can't see folks lining up around the block, waiting endlessly for their 3rd viewing of ANY film that is put out these days but what i will do my best to do, is give Ridley and his team the benefit of the doubt here i have to constantly remind myself, i do not have the mindset i did when i first saw ALIEN, so in that sense, i know i will have to do my best to experience PROMETHEUS with my adult mind on a personal note, what would make PROMETHEUS a fail for me, would be A.D.D. Michael Bay style edits, and musically overly scored scenes, and flashbacks / time travel but, i am doing my best to keep hope alive, and i am hopeful that Ridley Scott with give me on film some of the absolute wonder and mystery that ALIEN did, even if it's in a revelatory way time will tell...

Gehirn

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 4:59 PM
Wish I didn't watch AvP on TV last night. Not looking forward to a retelling of some sick, old (or both) robotics pioneer working for Weyland Industries marching up towards a pyramid. I'd rather watch a movie where a future forum poster travels back in time to hunt down the mysterious twat that thought sticking a xenomorph head in a Predator movie was "a good idea". The 5 points in the article don't bother me (rumours feeding rumours). #3 might of been a concern if I hadn't seen the picture with the little elephant-men statues standing behind Shaw or that weird tentacle thing from the leaked trailer. Or even the Shaw stomach-pump. I'm hoping all that becomes interesting enough to excuse any lack of upright foreign invaders.

Nephilim_LV426

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 5:03 PM
Ridley Scott has the unenviable task of making a US PG-13 movie for FOX. FOX wants to attract the AVP crowd and all the associated gamers out there along with us Alien fans. If there are enough strands of the original Alien visual out there, the gamers will be brought in. How do you do that and tell an original story? Well, the obvious visual is having the ampules stand up like the original eggs. The ampules could of been placed in racks (better for shipping I would think), but that wouldn't make some people go 'Oh - I get it - Alien!'.... 'didn't they fight Predator?'... I asked my teenage son if he knew who Weyland was and he said yes. Then I showed him the TED2023 video. He said 'this movie's going to be awesome!'. So, the FOX youth marketing is working. Those of us who saw Alien on the big screen will be looking a bit deeper and it will be there if you take the time to look for it. We've already found the [url=http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/7613091/img/prometheus/fortressbright.png]HR Giger pyramid[/url] So, to address the points in order - IMHO; 1. If the SJ is revealed it will only be because there is a larger entity involved. 2. We have no idea what 'evil' Weyland is up to. Part of the excitement is speculating on that. Get over it. 3. When Alien can be found at Disneyland, Scott has a point. How do you scare people today? 1000 years ago it was leprosy. Anything that changes the human form is innately spooky. If it happened because of something Weyland did, either deliberately or not - then there's your 'bad guy'. 4. Scott likes strong female roles. I admire him for that. Giger's art is sexual. If Shaw runs around in panties at the end of Prometheus then you may compare her to the Ripley character. 5. “The search for our beginning could lead to our end.” Agreed. I am quite confident that Prometheus will be teenager awesome and will still blow me away.

Diesektor

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 6:32 PM
Hey guys can I just point out it was an article I posted , I noticed a few folk saying I am personally wrong. I just thought these points were interesting and may get some good discussion going , please don't be offended, I'm looking really forward to this film but u have to remember how bad all the sequels and spinoffs have been. Peace out. Luke

GreatBoosUp

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 9:34 PM
What if the blue dude in the trailer was just for the trailer and fanboy/girls like us? It could be that some of the shots in the trailer were made simply for the trailer. I wouldn't judge this film on the trailer at all. Just as the Peter Weyland TED Talk won't appear in the final film, it's possible that some shots from the trailer won't appear in the final film. I think Ridley understands that fans of Alien will be scrutinizing frames from the trailer and speculating ad nauseum so he is throwing out little red herrings to keep us distracted until June.

GreatBoosUp

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 9:35 PM
dupe sorry

jjbsn5192

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 10:08 PM
[i]im starting to see that when i first viewed the Prometheus trailer it left me unspeechable, i knew at that point the Derelict spacecraft i saw in the first Alien film, what made Alien the 1979 Version what it was.. and how it was an Achievement in Science Fiction, the fact that Scott obviously wasnt planning on returning, but 20th century fox kind of pulled him in the Director's Chair, and Hr Giger Returning.. there's so much at stake with this film, it being as good As James Cameron's Avatar and the amazing mystery's of the 1979 Alien film.. i think this film is going to bring back Sci-Fi in alot of way's we havent seen in years!!!.. i think we can easily trust the 5 ways this movie wont suck [/i]

Cypher

Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 10:59 PM
I've always expected some humanoid form of Space Jockey, particularly after hearing the commentary from Sir Ridley on the Alien DVD. It's going to be a good movie and the author of the article Diesektor posted really should have waited till after the movie came out. Because in the end it's down to speculation......again ;-P
[url=http://www.robocopmovie.net/][img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/NewRoboBanner.jpg[/img][/url] "Is it dead this time?" "I dunno, poke it with this stick and see."

craigamore

MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 11:01 PM
Agreed Cypher, on all counts...

alteredstate.

MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 2:08 AM
Well when you consider that Lindelof and Ridley have said that the film will leave you with more questions then answers i feel safe in that knowledge. Also on reading the anthology letter from ridley. I hope you enjoy what i have in store for you as we return to this dark, mysterious universe filled with aliens, space jockeys and something even more dangerous that you haven't seen yet consider this the ultimate primer for whats to come..this pretty much lays my fears to rest, because he also stated hes had such a great time filming this and he recently said i have put everything i know into this film. Now all this coming from a man with fifty years in the business in one form or another if you include his design training, and his commercial work, he pretty much lives and breathes the medium. Add to the fact that he waited 30 years for a script that inspired him enough then it all adds up to the finest ingredients of a potentially amazing film.

Cypher

Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 2:42 AM
[quote]The ALIEN ANTHOLOGY Blu-ray set represents two years of hard work spread over the four films in HD and a simply massive collection of documentaries, deleted scenes and other revealing extras. I'm particularly pleased with the all-new picture and sound remastering of my own film, ALIEN. As I prepare to re-enter this world with my upcoming ALIEN prequel, watching ALIEN again on high definition Blu-ray has been both helpful and inspiring to me - a reminder of where we started and a guide to where we're going. This set and these films exist largely because of your enthusiasm and support over the last three decades. I hope you enjoy what I have in store for you as we return to this dark, mysterious universe filled with Aliens, Space Jockeys and...........something even more dangerous that you haven't seen yet.[/quote] I KNEW IT!! I BLOODY FREAKING KNEW IT!! :-D
[url=http://www.robocopmovie.net/][img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/NewRoboBanner.jpg[/img][/url] "Is it dead this time?" "I dunno, poke it with this stick and see."

alteredstate.

MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 3:07 AM
Blimey cypher we must be psychically connected to be posting the same thread at the same time weird huh?

Fan

MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 3:15 AM
I have really enjoyed reading the forums here, yet I do question the level at which people seem to be taking this movie. I am also really excited about this movie, like most of you out there adding your two cents. Remember however, this movie is intended to add a bit o something to the "alien universe" just the same as all the sequels. Alien was awesome space horror especially for it's day, as so many others have pointed out in this forum. Aliens was a great action thriller. Alien3 left something to be desired, but I personally liked it as well(always sorta wished hicks would have survived). Alien Resurrection was also good in my opinion, but I watched City of Lost Children first, so I sorta had an idea of what to expect and found myself sorta giggling at what Jeunet put together. AvP and AvP requiem seemed like fun ideas and just the same as the rest, I enjoyed myself. I do not have a doubt that Ridley will take us for a great ride no matter where he and the writers go with the story. After all guys and gals, we are getting another movie adding to the alien universe, what more can we ask? Oh yeah, and we get it with less weight on the CG and more on the models and old school special effects. Woohoo!
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