The Space Jockey

Thats deep and very intriguing.

Although I don't remember in which Scottish newspaper I read an actor mentioned being eaten by skeletal creatures.

That is indeed intriguing. I have been considering the SJ chair as an analogy of the rock Prometheus is chained to in the myth, but I hadn't considered the suit as the means to this imprisonment.

Check out this thread...... http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2217 Now think about the legend of Prometheus........ Liver eaten by an eagle everyday, when it would grow back for the next day's torture..... Look at the pic of the creature and the staples on Shaw's stomach....... Could that thing regrow and then expel itself out of her everyday? Man I can't wait for June. SO.....MUCH......SPECULATION TIME!!

Wow... This actually makes sense. And the whole theme of celestial punishment and God's cruelty is actually intriging and daring. I bet this film is going to be hated by lots of people like Blade Runner did... Nice! Cult film all the way.

What if there are two kinds of Gods (or some groups of Gods)? One minority group might secretly create humans, and for that the other group punished them. Now the first group send an avatar with a ship full of xenomorphs to the Earth to destroy all earthly creation (but the ship wrecks and do not finish its goal). So on one hand we might be the creation of Gods, but Gods want to destroy us because we were originally "stolen". The first "Prometheus" (member of Gods), that created us, was punished. Now its time to punish his creation (people who are like Gods) - us!

After all as Prometheus, is not the space jockey is symbolically forced to look at the skies (the star map could be understood as a big metaphor for the future since it's implied in trailers that the space jockey tries to use it to destroy earth), with his big telescope, not down, towards the cargo bay which are presently filled with the dormant monsters the jockeys created? (ref: http://thethingfan.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=3287&sid=4810f7bdb5b8ae0aa31c2875bc48bd9c ) [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/df/Cloudbusting.jpg/220px-Cloudbusting.jpg[/img]

Well I've had a theory ardjuna that there's something even nastier that we still haven't seen even in the new theatrical trailer. And I always thought that those beings we still hadn't seen ended up being the ones that ordered what was the Space Jockey race around.... I'm talking BIG and NASTY......... Dunno if I'll end up being right about that or not....... We shall see..... :-)

Let's pause for a moment to think about what we do know about the space Jockey from the original Alien. It was found dead, apparently fossilised, with evidence of a chestburster having punched out of the chest cavity. So, we know that a facehugger immobilised the SJ. This renders the SJ unconscious for a period of time. If the SJ's engineered the xenos (as Ridely Scott has suggested in the past), and one somehow got a hold of the SJ, they would be aware of what was going to happen (i.e. incubation and eventual death when the chestburster did it's thing). I doubt very much when the SJ woke up the crew would allow him to resume duty in the chair with a chest burster about to pop out. More likely, other SJs would consider the infected SJ as collateral damage and terminate him during the gestation period along with the facehugger. If the infected SJ was on the ship solo, he might very well not remember being overcome by a facehugger (Kane couldn't remember the details). He would simply wake up, wonder what had happened, get back in the chair to start work, and sometime later perish when the chestburster popped out. Either scenario does not lend itself to suggesting a warning message would be established by the SJ given they are bio weapons they created. No-one has ever made it clear (to my knowledge) that the eggs were in a cave detached from the ship and the SJ had landed to check on it's egg crops or whether the chamber/cave Kane ascended into was indeed part of the ship. Whatever it was, it was massive in scale and had a deliberate mechanism (via the blue mist) to trigger awareness that a potential host was nearby (the blue mist could of course had other purposes). So either way, if they are weapons engineered by the SJ race, what's the delivery method? How do they release all the eggs on a planet to cleanse? So what happened on the original derelict for the SJ to end up in the chair in that state? The original Alien plot would have us believe the SJ was infected (possibly after the rest of the crew), before he died a warning message was setup to keep others away as he knew what would happen, and then along comes the Nostromo after the Company decodes the message. Doesn't sound like a scenario supporting claims the SJs engineered the Aliens and used them as bio weapons to cleanse planets.

I think the fossilized Jockey as seen in Alien will turn out to be one of the mutated crew of Prometheus. Don't forget the Nostromo picked up a distress call/warning signal which must have been set up by someone or something after the ship crashed.

I think we're being too literal about this. i don't think we should take prometheus stroy and translate it into the movie. I believe the creature in the spacejokey somehow created humans and humans turned against them, (probably becasue they were given something powerful, not necesserelly fire but something like that), and now humans are creating these androids and is just history repeating itself... and yeah, something like that

My theory is the black stuff is like a virus using people as hosts, but at the same time changing them into the xenomorphs or a version of them. Later on these beings develop more into what the xenomorphs are in Alien. Throughout the Alien series you see these beings change/evolve, and I think we'll see a lot of that in this movie. I think that they are somewhat designed to evolve and adapt and that is part of why they are so deadly. I don't think we are going to know everything about the space jockeys after this movie. Such as where they came from, and how they were about to create all that they did. I also agree with Cypher that there are probably bigger things out there, maybe controlling the space jockeys. I'm interested in seeing if there will only be 1 space jockey or how many there will be. Where do they really come from? I don't think they really come from the planet shown in the preview. What are they doing there, besides it being some kind of storage/temple planet. I have another theory that Peter Weyland is actually the space jockey, in a future sense. That basically he found a way to time travel in one timeline and that timeline is being overlapped with the one present in the movie. The space jockey chair is a different form of the hibernation pods and is used to extend his life. I can't wait to see what happens!

MY Theory, Space Jockeys died long ago in human terms, however they still carry on to live by being simulated into new civilizations by there preserved dna in the ampulates being combined with new hosts, the result of the crew of promtheus coming in contact with the space jockey goo technology that holds there DNA. Space jockeys engineered planets all over the universe and seeded them with what eventually would become humans as a fail safe incase the space jockey civilization ever died out, that a species would eventually come find them and re awaken them by unknowingly being infected with the SJ dna. The Space jockey at the end in the chair is David, as this mutation seems the most biomechanical- in the original alien the inturnal organs of ash the android are mechanical non flesh like, this would make sense of a space jockey/synthetic human hybrid and hence the alien bursting out of him in the future forms the basis of the alien we know in the original alien film- that has mechancal pipe structures protruding from its back and very mechanical look to its structure. The point of the space jockey ship returning to earth is to repopulate the original space jockey race by infecting the human population with their dna from the ampulates room. Shaw is the last survivor and is the one who creates the warning beacon i the film alien.

I'm with Javier. too much over-thinking is what spoils the actual viewing of the movie when finally seen. Damn this Internet!! Having said that, Cornbread's idea of the ampulates and a stored DNA is interesting, but I wouldn't bet my Dune chair on it....

I don't think that David is in SJ suit. If you look international trailer at 1:36 min you can clearly see that there is four sarcophagus , but 3 of them are damaged - have holes in them. Then if you fast forward to the scene at 2:01 where SJ walking to cannon looking device you will see that one of the sarcophagus is open. But also if you look the scene at 1:15 min you will see that there are some kind of aliens mummified. So in my opinion there was something gone horribly wrong at that ship way before prometheus arrived on the planet. And if we add to that statement at the vary beginning - "a king has it's reign and then he dies". Maybe rest of the SJ were killed by one of them who's intentions were different then the rest of them. Or some mutation of DNA spread and killed all of them , but one.

I'm pretty sure that the connection to the Prometheus myth is quite simple when looking at the Alien Franchise as a whole. Humans attempt to take the knowledge to create life from the Alien/Engineer race. They are caught and are punished by the eventual unleashing of the Xenomorphs/ Proto Xenomorphs (eagle) onto mankind. Simple as that.

not sure if this has been said already but i think the black ooze is turning a crew member into a space jockey... or it could be that the space jockey's invented the black ooze and that this the 'fire' that they want to steal, the key to developing biomechanical weaponary (ie the xenomorph)... but we must remeber that the xenomorph we see is the xenomorph bread with a human, the black ooze may be the begining of it.

Well I'm going to pop Alien into my DVD and watch it as I prognosticate about the possible plot lines that lead to the SJ being fused/fossilized into the chair... I really like the idea that David, in trying to save the human race (not his own kind since he is a synthetic) gets into the SJ suit and takes off in an attempt to drive the derilect away from earth. Clearly in the trailers we understand that something ends up being unleashed and if returned to earth will surely end mankind. Also clear is the proto- goo gets into and starts mutating the crew of Prometheus and it is this meta-morphasizing process that results in the non-infected types to devise a plan to prevent the infection from spreading back. Now to pop in the DVD.... oh yeah baby...oh yeah...

What im curious about, is why is there a mural sculpture of the original Alien above, on the wall of the Space Jockey's (Engineers) Temple ? (shown at 1:36 of the new full trailer). Only two theories make sense that i can think of...1. The Mural of the original Alien species is there because the Space Jockeys created all life in the universe, thus each Urn in the temple has the DNA of every living creature created...Is it possible, that the one creation that the Space Jockeys admire with pride the most, is the their creation of the (original) Alien? Alien was mentioned in the original Alien movie, by the Android Ash as the "perfect" species, and that he admired it's "purity". So is it possible that the Creators of this Alien xenomorph species is to them, their finest creation ? Perhaps similar to Parents having framed pictures of their children on their walls...It's a sense of showing off their loved ones, and the Pride behind having such wonderful children...the 2nd theory is that perhaps the Alien xenomorph sculpture mural is there, becasue the Space jockeys "worship" the Alien xenomorph...Perhaps similar to how Dr. Frankenstein was obsessed with his monster creation, almost in a compulsive behavior...The Space Jockeys know that they have the Alien xenomorph DNA saved, and they know, when the tinme is right, they will create these creatures to use for destructive purposes in other worlds of the universe....Similar to how man on Earth has been trying to create more powerful military weapons to destroy their enemies if needed. We will find out what the Space Jockeys are all about in June.

I think Leewurf right: "I think the fossilized Jockey as seen in Alien will turn out to be one of the mutated crew of Prometheus."