The Space Jockey

Thats deep and very intriguing.

Although I don't remember in which Scottish newspaper I read an actor mentioned being eaten by skeletal creatures.

That is indeed intriguing. I have been considering the SJ chair as an analogy of the rock Prometheus is chained to in the myth, but I hadn't considered the suit as the means to this imprisonment.

Check out this thread...... http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2217 Now think about the legend of Prometheus........ Liver eaten by an eagle everyday, when it would grow back for the next day's torture..... Look at the pic of the creature and the staples on Shaw's stomach....... Could that thing regrow and then expel itself out of her everyday? Man I can't wait for June. SO.....MUCH......SPECULATION TIME!!

Wow... This actually makes sense. And the whole theme of celestial punishment and God's cruelty is actually intriging and daring. I bet this film is going to be hated by lots of people like Blade Runner did... Nice! Cult film all the way.

What if there are two kinds of Gods (or some groups of Gods)? One minority group might secretly create humans, and for that the other group punished them. Now the first group send an avatar with a ship full of xenomorphs to the Earth to destroy all earthly creation (but the ship wrecks and do not finish its goal). So on one hand we might be the creation of Gods, but Gods want to destroy us because we were originally "stolen". The first "Prometheus" (member of Gods), that created us, was punished. Now its time to punish his creation (people who are like Gods) - us!

After all as Prometheus, is not the space jockey is symbolically forced to look at the skies (the star map could be understood as a big metaphor for the future since it's implied in trailers that the space jockey tries to use it to destroy earth), with his big telescope, not down, towards the cargo bay which are presently filled with the dormant monsters the jockeys created? (ref: http://thethingfan.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=3287&sid=4810f7bdb5b8ae0aa31c2875bc48bd9c ) [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/df/Cloudbusting.jpg/220px-Cloudbusting.jpg[/img]

Well I've had a theory ardjuna that there's something even nastier that we still haven't seen even in the new theatrical trailer. And I always thought that those beings we still hadn't seen ended up being the ones that ordered what was the Space Jockey race around.... I'm talking BIG and NASTY......... Dunno if I'll end up being right about that or not....... We shall see..... :-)

Let's pause for a moment to think about what we do know about the space Jockey from the original Alien. It was found dead, apparently fossilised, with evidence of a chestburster having punched out of the chest cavity. So, we know that a facehugger immobilised the SJ. This renders the SJ unconscious for a period of time. If the SJ's engineered the xenos (as Ridely Scott has suggested in the past), and one somehow got a hold of the SJ, they would be aware of what was going to happen (i.e. incubation and eventual death when the chestburster did it's thing). I doubt very much when the SJ woke up the crew would allow him to resume duty in the chair with a chest burster about to pop out. More likely, other SJs would consider the infected SJ as collateral damage and terminate him during the gestation period along with the facehugger. If the infected SJ was on the ship solo, he might very well not remember being overcome by a facehugger (Kane couldn't remember the details). He would simply wake up, wonder what had happened, get back in the chair to start work, and sometime later perish when the chestburster popped out. Either scenario does not lend itself to suggesting a warning message would be established by the SJ given they are bio weapons they created. No-one has ever made it clear (to my knowledge) that the eggs were in a cave detached from the ship and the SJ had landed to check on it's egg crops or whether the chamber/cave Kane ascended into was indeed part of the ship. Whatever it was, it was massive in scale and had a deliberate mechanism (via the blue mist) to trigger awareness that a potential host was nearby (the blue mist could of course had other purposes). So either way, if they are weapons engineered by the SJ race, what's the delivery method? How do they release all the eggs on a planet to cleanse? So what happened on the original derelict for the SJ to end up in the chair in that state? The original Alien plot would have us believe the SJ was infected (possibly after the rest of the crew), before he died a warning message was setup to keep others away as he knew what would happen, and then along comes the Nostromo after the Company decodes the message. Doesn't sound like a scenario supporting claims the SJs engineered the Aliens and used them as bio weapons to cleanse planets.

I think the fossilized Jockey as seen in Alien will turn out to be one of the mutated crew of Prometheus. Don't forget the Nostromo picked up a distress call/warning signal which must have been set up by someone or something after the ship crashed.

I think we're being too literal about this. i don't think we should take prometheus stroy and translate it into the movie. I believe the creature in the spacejokey somehow created humans and humans turned against them, (probably becasue they were given something powerful, not necesserelly fire but something like that), and now humans are creating these androids and is just history repeating itself... and yeah, something like that

My theory is the black stuff is like a virus using people as hosts, but at the same time changing them into the xenomorphs or a version of them. Later on these beings develop more into what the xenomorphs are in Alien. Throughout the Alien series you see these beings change/evolve, and I think we'll see a lot of that in this movie. I think that they are somewhat designed to evolve and adapt and that is part of why they are so deadly. I don't think we are going to know everything about the space jockeys after this movie. Such as where they came from, and how they were about to create all that they did. I also agree with Cypher that there are probably bigger things out there, maybe controlling the space jockeys. I'm interested in seeing if there will only be 1 space jockey or how many there will be. Where do they really come from? I don't think they really come from the planet shown in the preview. What are they doing there, besides it being some kind of storage/temple planet. I have another theory that Peter Weyland is actually the space jockey, in a future sense. That basically he found a way to time travel in one timeline and that timeline is being overlapped with the one present in the movie. The space jockey chair is a different form of the hibernation pods and is used to extend his life. I can't wait to see what happens!

MY Theory, Space Jockeys died long ago in human terms, however they still carry on to live by being simulated into new civilizations by there preserved dna in the ampulates being combined with new hosts, the result of the crew of promtheus coming in contact with the space jockey goo technology that holds there DNA. Space jockeys engineered planets all over the universe and seeded them with what eventually would become humans as a fail safe incase the space jockey civilization ever died out, that a species would eventually come find them and re awaken them by unknowingly being infected with the SJ dna. The Space jockey at the end in the chair is David, as this mutation seems the most biomechanical- in the original alien the inturnal organs of ash the android are mechanical non flesh like, this would make sense of a space jockey/synthetic human hybrid and hence the alien bursting out of him in the future forms the basis of the alien we know in the original alien film- that has mechancal pipe structures protruding from its back and very mechanical look to its structure. The point of the space jockey ship returning to earth is to repopulate the original space jockey race by infecting the human population with their dna from the ampulates room. Shaw is the last survivor and is the one who creates the warning beacon i the film alien.

I'm with Javier. too much over-thinking is what spoils the actual viewing of the movie when finally seen. Damn this Internet!! Having said that, Cornbread's idea of the ampulates and a stored DNA is interesting, but I wouldn't bet my Dune chair on it....

I don't think that David is in SJ suit. If you look international trailer at 1:36 min you can clearly see that there is four sarcophagus , but 3 of them are damaged - have holes in them. Then if you fast forward to the scene at 2:01 where SJ walking to cannon looking device you will see that one of the sarcophagus is open. But also if you look the scene at 1:15 min you will see that there are some kind of aliens mummified. So in my opinion there was something gone horribly wrong at that ship way before prometheus arrived on the planet. And if we add to that statement at the vary beginning - "a king has it's reign and then he dies". Maybe rest of the SJ were killed by one of them who's intentions were different then the rest of them. Or some mutation of DNA spread and killed all of them , but one.

I'm pretty sure that the connection to the Prometheus myth is quite simple when looking at the Alien Franchise as a whole. Humans attempt to take the knowledge to create life from the Alien/Engineer race. They are caught and are punished by the eventual unleashing of the Xenomorphs/ Proto Xenomorphs (eagle) onto mankind. Simple as that.

not sure if this has been said already but i think the black ooze is turning a crew member into a space jockey... or it could be that the space jockey's invented the black ooze and that this the 'fire' that they want to steal, the key to developing biomechanical weaponary (ie the xenomorph)... but we must remeber that the xenomorph we see is the xenomorph bread with a human, the black ooze may be the begining of it.

Well I'm going to pop Alien into my DVD and watch it as I prognosticate about the possible plot lines that lead to the SJ being fused/fossilized into the chair... I really like the idea that David, in trying to save the human race (not his own kind since he is a synthetic) gets into the SJ suit and takes off in an attempt to drive the derilect away from earth. Clearly in the trailers we understand that something ends up being unleashed and if returned to earth will surely end mankind. Also clear is the proto- goo gets into and starts mutating the crew of Prometheus and it is this meta-morphasizing process that results in the non-infected types to devise a plan to prevent the infection from spreading back. Now to pop in the DVD.... oh yeah baby...oh yeah...

What im curious about, is why is there a mural sculpture of the original Alien above, on the wall of the Space Jockey's (Engineers) Temple ? (shown at 1:36 of the new full trailer). Only two theories make sense that i can think of...1. The Mural of the original Alien species is there because the Space Jockeys created all life in the universe, thus each Urn in the temple has the DNA of every living creature created...Is it possible, that the one creation that the Space Jockeys admire with pride the most, is the their creation of the (original) Alien? Alien was mentioned in the original Alien movie, by the Android Ash as the "perfect" species, and that he admired it's "purity". So is it possible that the Creators of this Alien xenomorph species is to them, their finest creation ? Perhaps similar to Parents having framed pictures of their children on their walls...It's a sense of showing off their loved ones, and the Pride behind having such wonderful children...the 2nd theory is that perhaps the Alien xenomorph sculpture mural is there, becasue the Space jockeys "worship" the Alien xenomorph...Perhaps similar to how Dr. Frankenstein was obsessed with his monster creation, almost in a compulsive behavior...The Space Jockeys know that they have the Alien xenomorph DNA saved, and they know, when the tinme is right, they will create these creatures to use for destructive purposes in other worlds of the universe....Similar to how man on Earth has been trying to create more powerful military weapons to destroy their enemies if needed. We will find out what the Space Jockeys are all about in June.

I think Leewurf right: "I think the fossilized Jockey as seen in Alien will turn out to be one of the mutated crew of Prometheus."

I am T I feel that the Spacey Jockey we see begin to form and assimliate into the chair is a previous jockey from the planet that is trying to reach earth. I dont believe it is David because i feel he will meet his demise another way. Probably sacrificing himself to save elizabeth or by them some time. And as for the mutated member of the ship I feel he will probably be torched by a flamethrower by some one from the crew.

I have a theory that it was destiny mankind was meant to find the eggs and that those that created the "Xenomorph" kind. It looks from the clips that humans make contact with some sort of vials that contain a "contaminent" changing their DNA to create a new life form or transformation...possibly a way of the Aliens finding new Worlds to terrform, dominate...or food? It's definitely got an overture of genetic manipulation...perhaps these are some distant relatives of humanity that have experimented with genetics on a terribly mutated level and Einstein's theory on time travel turned out to be correct and they have somehow returned from the future to create theirs? Whatever the case, this is easily one of the most anticipated films of all time, can't wait!

it think its obvious that the spacejockey are divided into different parties or clans who disagreed in certain ideals(probaly like our mythology..greek mythology is so big it could be used on nearly every story) the trailer is trying to tell that the spacejockeys set a trap thousands of years ago by telling different civilizations "koordinates" or riddles which only could be decipherd in a certain future.so the big question remaining is..why do the space jockeys make it so complicadet to destroy mankind if they were superior thousands of years ago ?? so that leeds to the conclusion that the spacejockeys weakened themeselves.they are divided into different "parties" ,"clans" ,woteva ,they fought and one partie(probaly the peacefull one who didnt want to destroy earth and other life) abandoned the other one on an exile planet ..let them less power so they couldnt get away from the planet ,just let them one ship without power..but the abandoned partie had a long time to develop other weapons..the xenomorph DNA for exampel(i think its connected with DNA from earth) and maybe other stuff.and they need the power from prometheus to get away and the weyland corp is just a puppet/boguscompany controlled by the "dark" spacejockey/alien clan.who think they are gods and can do what they want because they are just superior..that would be the same old-epic good vs evil story..but with a fucking nice set and a scott-cameron-fincher ripley universe:)

Hmm, not sure what happened to my first comment, but I had a theory that it is all based around genetic manipulation, that a species, perhaps even somehow linked to Weyland Yutani intended for humanity to find the vessel, to "awaken" the ship and for the contents to be sent to Earth...it is a transport vessel with a macabre intention. It could be perhaps a Einstein Rosen-Bridge: http://www.krioma.net/articles/Bridge%20Theory/Einstein%20Rosen%20Bridge.htm ...an idea that in order for the Xenomorph kind to be created, it had to meet humanity in that place, in that time...sounds pretty complicated, but I definately think it was destiny for the Prometheus to be there and this is the prequel to Alien :)

Again I think you guys are putting too much thought into it. We know the jockeys created or lead man in the first civilizations. And they wanted to be contacted when humans were ready. Those are facts. The sj's are obviously superior with their ability to grow their own ships and ampule chambers and so on...... We also know they can manipulate DNA. Whos to say that the xenos aearnt a result of the humans taking the ampules. Because that's the source of the sj's power. Much like the fire prometheus stole.

The Space Jockey at the start of Alien, will naturally be where Prometheus ends up. My theory is ... and it's been telegraphed by calling the movie Prometheus!!! man seals the gift of fire from the gods, the gods punish man... Or in context of Prometheus.... The company send the crew to investigate, as usual, ulterior motives are hidden behind the supposed archeological, religious and the pure science ramifications of discovering sentient Alien life.... From the trailer we can deduce that... "We were so wrong..." wrong in thinking that it was an invitation, and that other lifeforms want to share knowledge with us, and that they are soft and cuddly E.T's!... Wrong in possibly trying to steal artifacts/knowledge from the Aliens, knowledge to create life! Hence the Engineers/space jockeys/custodians of the artifacts set out to punish man by going to Earth and unleashing the bioweapon upon us! and also from the trailer we see the Prometheus possibly intercept an Alien vessel. From the trailer we see that the planet is/has been terraformed, LV427 hasn't, and no Alien "temples" ( the dome like structures) had been discovered in either Alien or Aliens, so my theory is that it's a different planet, we also see from the trailer that members of the crew get infected with some kind of Alien DNA, and are mutated, and some infighting ensues, there's also a birthing sequence with Noomi Rapace character, Shaw (I think) so either the crew are infected by opening something they shouldn't ( we see DAvid opening one in the trailer) or the Engineers/space jockeys capture and experiment on the crew to punish them, there were reports from some scripts floating round over a year ago that there may be mind control involved, which makes sense if they are such a technologically advanced race who's tech is bio infused. There is also a theory that the Alien xenomorph mimics and mutates from contact with its host (hence the Alien/dog all 4's hybrid in Alien 3) and that the tall bipedal Alien from ALien is so, because it came from a human host.... The Engineers may have terraformed earth and "created" us from part of their DNA, this would explain why they are humanoid, and it would also explain their wish to destroy us so easily if we have offended them, got ideas above our station in trying to steal their secret....

What if the deep space vessel, the Prometheus, is named so because it uses the ion propulsion technology NASA started to develop in 2008 <-- I think, to be able of intergalactic travel. The name of the program at NASA was, the prometheus project. Maybe the Weyland Corporation secured the project from NASA to develop the technology and apply it to corporate galactic exploration wich leads to the events of the film? The whole prometheus mythology might have nothing to do with the beings in the film. Its just the name of the ship because it is the final product of the Prometheus Project started by NASA.

@ O and Everybody I agree with "O" that I don't think we are going to know everything about the space jockeys after this movie, and I think that the Space Jockeys race also received "the invitation", but they are jelous or offend because they are "the original creators".

We must not fortget that Prometheus in the Greek Mythology wasn´t an human. He was a Titan. The titans were family related with the other gods like Zeus (one of the Olimpics) who created the human race. So the theory in this forum from ardjuna that are two kind of Space Jockeys (Gods) may be plausible. Some of them don´t approve us or result offended by us.