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Pulse Rifles Rock
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 5:20 AMBeen reading these forums since the beginning and figured I'd go ahead and sign up. Reading the different hypotheses and theories on the forums people tend to have a general opinion that the SJs are in fact mutated crew members. There is no doubt after watching the trailers that there are indeed elements that change the DNA and overall biology of some of the crew members......but why are some so caught up that some of the crew are the SJs. In line with the Prometheus mythology and watching one of the trailers it seems Shaw is telling the Prometheus crew they need to stop "them" or there won't be a home to go back to. I think the "them" are the SJs themselves. Janek in the trailer also states "Kill everything..do you copy?" If I was a SJ and a little group of my creations began to interefere with my grand plans I'd probably want to eradicate them as well. Alien dvd with extras has voice over by Ridley Scott saying the alien eggs are a biological weapon. Time to end this grand experiement called humanity. And one other thing, the profound question this movie may address is the concpet and belief of God. If the SJs created man, then who created the SJs....is there a God then or are we another experiment in a slew of experiements and what was the beginning or origin. Just a thought :).
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Mattoo
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 5:27 AMI'm not sure how comfortable I am with the eggs being a clean up tool. After the desired species is dead, you're then left with a whole other mess to deal with. On the other hand, it would render any of the target species' technological weapons useless... what threat is a nuclear bomb if there's no one alive to detonate it? It just seems that a widespread toxic gas would be able to do the same job, with no nasty alien leftovers to deal with.
Pulse Rifles Rock
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 5:40 AMHey Matto,
Thanks for the reply. If you watch the Alien dvd with Ridley Scott's comments that is want he said. He also says in the dvd voice over he wanted to explore where the SJ came from as that was one of the questions no one had ever explored. I watched that video a few years ago and got really exicted, now that it's complete and we're all waiting to see it, looks like it finally came true.
Another point in refernce to the SJ, in an interview with Scott somewhere he stated now that we know who the SJ is he was considering a movie that would take place on the SJs home planet. Can't remember where I saw that but it's somewhere. According to Scott the Alien eggs purpose was a biological weapon. If it's there creation they would have a way of eradicating the aliens after they did their "work", at least that's my take on it.
Mattoo
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 5:49 AMOh yea, I've watched way too many hours of behind the scenes stuff, interviews, etc. I know the eggs are actually meant to be weapons, and it does make sense to an extent. Totally not gonna argue with fact. I was just stating my own issue with that concept, not really denying that it was true.
If i'm not mistaken, Ridley also stated that he felt the SJs were a benevolent race... why does a benevolent race need biological weapons of this magnitude? There's a lot to interpret in that. How much of what is revealed outside the movie is to be taken as 100% gospel?
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-23-2012 5:56 AM@ Mattoo - there is always the idea I favour which is...
[i]After millennia of observations, the Space Jockey’s learnt that the chances of a planet siring an intelligent race increased when the life on these worlds had to adapt and evolve to a radically altered environment, ecosystem and food chain caused by a near-extinction event.
To trigger such circumstances artificially the Space Jockey’s once again utilised their extensive biological knowledge and manufactured a deadly biological life form, a race of genetically engineered weapons, and the perfect organism. Designed to propagate using suitable hosts from an alien world’s indigenous population, extrapolating DNA to adapt to environmental conditions during gestation, these deadly biomechanical weapons improved upon their own perfection, eradicating entire races and ecosystems. Once all suitable hosts were exhausted, and the deadly creatures died; only their eggs remained, for collection and subsequently deployment onto other primitive worlds.[/i]
As for the mess left behind (corpses and hives) surely the Space Jockey's would have some means to destroy it, much like the blue liquid in AVPR?!?
Rick
MemberXenomorphMar-23-2012 6:07 AMHey Snorks,
I would like to add to what you said by adding the short lived alien life cycle would make this a very fast process. I do need to detract a bit from the clean up part though. If there is nothing to take care of the hive it would just decay or weather away over time. Just let it turn to dust like everything else eventually does over the eons.
Regards,
Rick
wookie_falcon
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 6:10 AMTotally agree with you Pulse Rifles Rock. We do seem hung up on humans mutating into SJ's. I think the SJ's are sentient beings that get a little miffed when humans start poking around their digs. The mutations come about when the humans interfere with the urns and start to transform into other nasty critters not SJ's.
Mattoo
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 6:19 AMI don't want anything to transform into anything else... degrade, sure. have terrible allergic reactions, sure. become mentally and physically unstable, please. give birth to terrible alien progeny? of course! but having people transforming into something else isn't really my cup of tea. but even if that is the case, i will still probably weep with joy at this movie :P
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-23-2012 6:24 AM@ Rick...
Yes the hives probably would decay over time but then there's the skeletons left behind by the xeno's and the facehuggers to think off.
Ender
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 7:07 AMI'm starting to think we might not see any "beings" at all in terms of them being whole individuals, maybe just lots of infected humans and androids that take on the physical and psychological traits of the space jockey race - that would be a disappointment.
You would also think that if the SJ's used the xenos as a weapon they would have a well thougth out defense against them.
P.s I think Ridley said the SJ's were a "malevolent" race not benevolent.
aintnozeno
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 7:27 AMThank you PRR, as this touches on a couple ideas that I totally agree with. I feel certain that the SJ beings are already on the planet that Prometheus goes to. They may be in some form of suspension, but they are already there.
Obviously we will see mutation run rampant, which is fine. I just hope no one becomes an SJ. If a crew member ends up in the chair, that's OK. Just not evolving into the actual SJ, please.
And no where is there any evidence that David becomes anything. He may evolve into a more "human-like" android, but I hope that's it. That old fan-made script bore that idea of mutation of a machine, and it was just as bad then as it is now.
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-23-2012 7:35 AM@ Enderwiggin - If I remember correctly Ridley & Sigourney pondered/questioned whether the SJ's were benevolent or malevolent, but couldn't really decide which.
Giger's Dream
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 7:40 AMI like this theory ...if you think about it perhaps the Alien as weapon is equivalent to our nuclear weaponry..their equivalent of "going nuclear" perhaps its supposed to keep their enemy in check with the threat of total annihilation if they use their equivalent weapon..it would also stand to reason that as the creator they have the means to to control their creation/weapon. This also furthers the God motif that seems to be emerging. I'm really most interested in the symbolism & themes that seem to be developing concerning religion & I think the OP is asking the right question!
Giger's Dream
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 7:54 AMAs far as benevolent vs malevolent...humans are capable of both... it would stand to reason IMO that the engineers are as well...having good intent that goes wrong...the idea of the creation rising up to destroy the creator is a pretty heavy theme if that would be a central theme to the movie & would certainly call faith in to question in a very large way. I am also starting to speculate the role of David...he is synthetic & thus a creation of man and symbolically that parallels nicely with a question I could see being asked about the appropriateness of "playing God" through creation. I'm gonna throw this out there too to parallel David as its something I haven't seen discussed...what if the SJ itself is synthetic , created by the real race (that we haven't seen yet) that serves a purpose similar to David? I think that could open a lot of seeming parallel moral questions b/t our races...
Ender
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 8:23 AMI'm thinking the engineers are anything but benevolent. Benevolence is a very human quality largely associated with religion, I think Ridley is trying to expose this concept as a human creation and something that has no place in the natural universe.
Thats why Shaw will be portrayed as religious. Her utter misconception of the meaning of life I think will be the MAIN theme of the whole film - as demonstrated through the SJ's malevolence.
Giger's Dream
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 9:02 AM@Enderwiggin I think you could be right! Lambert in the original Alien was used to symbolically represent complete fear from an audience perspective so Shaw's use to portray religion would serve a similar purpose.
DAVIS
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 12:13 PMShaw is wearing a cross, so you know she is a Christian in this movie.
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