Mutant baby...UGH

I'm thinking the same thing. It's been said before, but that's what it's looking like.

The main theme of Alien was inter-species rape. It's basically about a man being raped orally wich results in a violently lethal birth. I will bet Scott has something equally disturbing and unique to unveil to the world in Prometheus.

yeah, plus alien was sexual in many ways. the back of the aliens head is shaped like a penis on purpose and i heard originally giger wanted the entrance to the ship to be covered with a hymen that needed to be cut open to enter.... so on. also the scene with the short haired chick in alien (i am exhausted so i cant pull her name out of a hat) and the xeno it was supposed to be a suggestive rape scene, it supposedly had more cut out of it. ive seen to many movies with women pushing out some gross alien or monster in a birth scene, the sequel to "the fly" remake was a very notable one, and "its alive". im glad this thing is cut out of her and i do not have to indure another F'ing labor scene, its old and overdone and quite franky i find it offensive. im not sure why but women giving birth to creatures has been huge in movies for decades, it must be some freudian deep seeded psychological issue. i for one am tired of seeing a woman in pain popping out some monster and dying half the time from it. *breath* sorry for the huge rant, i have been on a B movie binge lately and this pattern has begun to annoy me. i say hats off to ridley for what i consider a more tasteful way to handle the "birth" of a monster.

I have a feeling that if it had raped her it would not have killed her. Then again, she was conspicuously naked when Ripley found her.

I think it's more the fact that the alien's natural means of reproduction is inherently violent. I don't know how else to explain it other than when two dogs are playing and one just starts humping the other one for no reason. That coupled with the way a cat plays with a mouse as it kills it. I think that is sort of the same thing going on in that particular scene.

Its ok to talk about some sexual tones of Alien ...but saying that the MAIN theme of Alien is inter species rape is just plain ridicolous and quite offensive regarding one of the best movies ever made . the fact that the alien race search a host to lay his eggs dont mean that we have always to find a sexual overtone to appeal each own fantasies .

I think when Holloway sleeps with her, he's kind of being controlled by whatever is inside of him and he can't help it. Then when they're done he is sitting on the edge of the bed ashamed of what he's just done.

Typical

@ Frantz I give you exhibit A [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4SaoE_qjoNg/TkPdu8IOQaI/AAAAAAAAAFc/h4F5TvuVTEE/s640/hr_giger_facehugger_I.jpg[/img] Exhibit B [img]http://factoidz.com/images/user/Picture4%283%29.jpg[/img] Exhibit C [img]http://propsummit.com/upload/585/derelict_entrance_giger.jpg[/img] i.e. Depending how you look at it, those elements might not have been the main theme, But they were a major theme even if they were supposed to be subliminal.

I doubt that will change the simpletons mind

You two have a combined post of 10 and Frantz has nearly 1000. Please show some respect for a senior member and stop the childish attacks. Your style of debate is disgraceful.

Dan O'Bannon emphatically says in one of the Alien dvd extras that it's about "interspecies alien rape" - it's there.

Well said Bio.

It matters not, on how many post someone puts up, especially if 75% are complete rubbish. I have no respect for that at all. The attack is due to the word "offensive" being used on what is a stated fact on the theme of alien. I'm quite happy to attack on that basis, as that offended myself. Im also the only attacking, drcyclops is being very nice. I'm not nice.

Alrighty then.......no need to insult anyone. I have to agree with thedoctor and drclopz, the face hugger was originally suppose to be a walking penis but they eventually changed its design to reflect that of what you see in the movie alien. Read that years ago in a film class I took in college. Giger's work is at a minimum "very disturbing", at least to me. Just a reminder in that my intent for this post was to express how reviled I was to consider the concept of a woman bearing something other than a human child in her womb. Wrong on all kinds of levels. And I have to say I can understand where Franz is coming from. I have to disagree and I'll say Alien's "theme" isn't about rape,( yes a human host was forced to take an alien embyro through the end to the ummm birth), but Alien's main theme to me is centered around human beings, exposed to unknown and harsh elements that can snuff them out in an instant. "In space no one can hear you scream"? In Ridley Scott's pretrailer interview, he states the crew of the prometheus find an establishment, it's not what they expect and there are elements that can evicerate them all very quickly. Though these may not be the overall themes within the movie they will serve to push and move the plot forward. And to repeat myself just one more time, Shaw growing a non-human organism in her belly is ugh.......just sooooooo wrong. Just a thought.....

"Its ok to talk about some sexual tones of Alien ...but saying that the MAIN theme of Alien is inter species rape is just plain ridicolous and quite offensive regarding one of the best movies ever made . the fact that the alien race search a host to lay his eggs dont mean that we have always to find a sexual overtone to appeal each own fantasies ." 1. Of course it's ok to discuss the sexual tones of alien, as with all media, if you create a theme ie inter species alien rape you want it discussed 2. Yes it's the main theme, it was the hook, it's what drives the entire plot of the film, ie man gets raped orally by an alien, man gives birth to alien, alien rapes everyone to death.. It's all rape, that's the MAIN theme, it was done to shock/scare/disgust us all. 3. No it's not rediculous, what is rediculous is denying that this is the theme, this is why the studio wanted it made, in the hands of a lesser director it probably wouldn't have worked and would have been rubbish B movie. 4. It's not offensive to discuss this, this is exactly the place to talk about the themes . 5 it's very offensive to claim this is the making of our fantasies when the director/writer/producer/artists behind Alien have stated catogorically that the theme of alien is rape. Film critics, movie students like myself who discuss the genesis of scifi horror because of Ridleys clever idea of unsettling us all by creating a movie about alien rape. I studied hard to get my grades and was lucky enough to get to spend half a year talking about Alien and to see the same idiotic statement time and time riles me. So there you go, I'm offended by this "posting elder" that I'm supposed to show respect? It cracks me up when I see people sticking up for him.

"Its ok to talk about some sexual tones of Alien ...but saying that the MAIN theme of Alien is inter species rape is just plain ridicolous and quite offensive regarding one of the best movies ever made . the fact that the alien race search a host to lay his eggs dont mean that we have always to find a sexual overtone to appeal each own fantasies ." 1. Of course it's ok to discuss the sexual tones of alien, as with all media, if you create a theme ie inter species alien rape you want it discussed 2. Yes it's the main theme, it was the hook, it's what drives the entire plot of the film, ie man gets raped orally by an alien, man gives birth to alien, alien rapes everyone to death.. It's all rape, that's the MAIN theme, it was done to shock/scare/disgust us all. 3. No it's not rediculous, what is rediculous is denying that this is the theme, this is why the studio wanted it made, in the hands of a lesser director it probably wouldn't have worked and would have been rubbish B movie. 4. It's not offensive to discuss this, this is exactly the place to talk about the themes . 5 it's very offensive to claim this is the making of our fantasies when the director/writer/producer/artists behind Alien have stated catogorically that the theme of alien is rape. Film critics, movie students like myself who discuss the genesis of scifi horror because of Ridleys clever idea of unsettling us all by creating a movie about alien rape. I studied hard to get my grades and was lucky enough to get to spend half a year talking about Alien and to see the same idiotic statement time and time riles me. So there you go, I'm offended by this "posting elder" that I'm supposed to show respect? It cracks me up when I see people sticking up for him.

I have to agree with The Doctor on this one.

I have to agree with the doctor, even of he's gone about it the wrong way "Its ok to talk about some sexual tones of Alien ...but saying that the MAIN theme of Alien is inter species rape is just plain ridicolous and quite offensive regarding one of the best movies ever made . the fact that the alien race search a host to lay his eggs dont mean that we have always to find a sexual overtone to appeal each own fantasies ." 1. Of course it's ok to discuss the sexual tones of alien, as with all media, if you create a theme ie inter species alien rape you want it discussed 2. Yes it's the main theme, it was the hook, it's what drives the entire plot of the film, ie man gets raped orally by an alien, man gives birth to alien, alien rapes everyone to death.. It's all rape, that's the MAIN theme, it was done to shock/scare/disgust us all. 3. No it's not rediculous, what is rediculous is denying that this is the theme, this is why the studio wanted it made, in the hands of a lesser director it probably wouldn't have worked and would have been rubbish B movie. 4. It's not offensive to discuss this, this is exactly the place to talk about the themes . 5 it could be offensive to claim this is the making of our fantasies when the director/writer/producer/artists behind Alien have stated catogorically that the theme of alien is rape. Film critics, movie students like myself who discuss the genesis of scifi horror because of Ridleys clever idea of unsettling us all by creating a movie about alien rape. I was lucky enough to get to spend half a year talking about Alien rewatching/talking about production art how the themes and art mix, the cinematography, and the theme of rape runs throughout.. Sorry franz to disagree, I do like your posts!

It's really silly how some people get on here and are so serious in their posts. They get so mad if someone else has their own view that doesn't go along with theirs. For some of you people.....this is a movie, not real life, no need to be mad if people don't agree with what you say. There is also no need to start calling people names on here and talk about them. I am here and I'm sure a lot of people are because we loved the Alien series of movies and are anxiously awaiting the new Prometheus movie, we are here to share our ideas and to have fun, without someone being rude and calling us names. We all have a right to our own views, please do not criticize me for what I want to say or believe. I do not claim to be an expert on Alien or the franchise......however, I was there at the beginning and saw it on the big screen when it first came out and have all the movies at home, I have every right along with all the other members on this forum to voice my theories and ideas as long as the administrator allows for it. What I don't have the right to do is make fun or ridicule someone else for their views or call them names.

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@ Biomechanic Not Sure if you are referring to my post but I assure you that I am only pointing out an obvious flaw in the argument. To say ' Your style of debate is disgraceful' makes no sense in this case. And the amount of posts that somebody makes in relation to the amount of respect that they deserve doesn't have to be a factor. We should promote healthy debate and not misconstrue it as an attack, this is a forum after all.

I suggest everyone get back on topic before a mod locks the thread.

this is not JUST a forum...its a PROMETHEUS forum... @drcyclops agreed though, but frantz has said some great shizz on this forum

In regards to this whole subject, I watched the 1st Alien film just the only day with the commentary on. Ridley said himself that the 1st film was partly about rape and had many sexual things about it. In fact he said that the scene where Ash tries to kill Ripley was in his words "what android rape would look like". So, I don't even know why anyone would try to argue about these film's having rape or sex themes in them or not, it's like arguing if the color green is really green. Just my worthless two cents.

The fact that rape was at the core of the first story is a given. The whole point of that was the disturbing images and the creepiness of it all. I think what Frantz was trying to say is that there is no need to giggle over it like a kid who just found his dad's nudie magazines. Such things are offensive and immature on a number of levels. The negative reaction to discussions of rape are rooted with a couple members who went too far with the subject, just as this thread appears to be headed. This post is not a personal attack, and does not require one in return.

I think there is a big difference between acknowledging the obvious undertones of Alien and gloryfing them. Yes it's disgusting and disturbing, but it's supposed to be. That's the whole point. That does not make the whole "alien rape" aspect good, again it's not supposed to be. You're not supposed to like it, but it's silly to deny that it's there, or that it's a major theme. That being said, it would be nice if people would discuss/debate things in a mature way, especially given the seriousness of that particular subject matter. As far as the squid thing goes, it's hard to tell what it is just from the trailer, but some sort of human-alien hybrid seems likely, if a bit cliche. It's creepy whatever it is.

My original intent for this post was to express being very "disturbed"; to think of a woman carrying something other than a human baby in her womb is really just sooooooooooooooo wrong on sooooooooooooo many levels. I don't think Shaw is raped but she consents to the ummmm merging with an infected Holloway producing the ummmm thingy. Just another thought. At least that was my thought. Some of these posts belong with a Post titled The Galaxy of Terror worm rape. Will it be in Prometheus? (Not my intended post)

Its ok to talk about some sexual tones of Alien ...but saying that the MAIN theme of Alien is inter species rape is just plain ridicolous and quite offensive regarding one of the best movies ever made . the fact that the alien race search a host to lay his eggs dont mean that we have always to find a sexual overtone to appeal each own fantasies . Personaly, I find it offensive that you think this is my personal fantasy. The term "inter-species rape" was actually introduced to me by an interview with Ridley Scott. It was his mindset in making the film. Now if I had said Titanic was all about being raped by ice-bergs I could see your point.