I have a question

Mark Cawley
MemberOvomorphMarch 26, 20121056 Views8 RepliesIn the original ALIEN movie. Ash knew about the Xenomorph, we know that because he `admired its purity` remember. Now, firstly Prometheus is 30 years before Alien yes? I wonder how long it took the Nostromo to initialy get to its mining facility or where ever it was, load 200,000,000 tons of mineral ore then begin the return journey only to be awoken.....lead into Alien story.
Ash has to know before the Nostromo originally disembarks.....OR is the info
uploaded to his positronic (lol) brain on the way back? Secondly, i dont believe that Ash knows about the Space Jockey or ship.....so within the relatively short time of 30 years the Xenomorph has already made its presence known to SOMEONE. You know what, i think we WILL actually see a Xenomorph in Prometheus.....perhaps Sir Riddles has actually threatened the cast and crew with death if they spill the beans. Because without a Xenomorph Weyland and Co wouldnt have much of an interest for the bio weapons division. So obviously SOMEBODY knows about the Xenomorph from experience to know that A: it can only be matched by its own hostility and B: Know that its one nasty mofo.
Incidently.....how does Ash know it can be matched by its own hostility? Who before Alien has seen 2 of them battle each other? Mmmmm another question perhaps.
March 26, 2012
Please allow me to insert a monkey wrench here.
There was no mention of the Nostromo having FTL capability, so the 30 year gap may not be that long after all. Ash could have been holding this information for a long time. Who knows?
The whole idea of FTL travel and cryo-stasis really affects the timelines, IMHO.
March 26, 2012
It all still makes me think the there really will be Xenos in Prometheus and Ridley aint saying a word lol. Which will be nice cos a renewed interest in the Xenos should come about....which is also nice cos ive just built and molded a full size Xeno head which will appear on ebay very soon lol,
March 26, 2012
The following is the opening to a thread about what the company knew that I started a while back....it should answer some of your questions Mark Cawley
"Ok....so......the following is from Alan Dean Foster's novelization of 'Alien', which was adapted directly from an early version of the script. We know this due to the fact that the facehugger, for one, has an eye on its back, which was taken from early Giger concept art. Two, the derelict, in the novel, lacks a central chamber with a SpaceJockey pilot.
The following directly concerns our numerous conversations about what, exactly, the Company knew about the signal, the alien, etc...why they sent the Nostromo...why Dallas' former science officer was replaced with Ash five days before they left Thedus...etc….And, a very interesting bit about the xeno’s origin:
Page 248 - 250
"'He's been protecting the alien from the beginning. I tried to tell you.' [Ripley] gestured at [Ash's] corpse....'He was using Kane's life as an excuse, but he was never interested in Kane. He let that thing grow inside him, knew what was happening all the time. And he set of the emergency airlock Klaxon to save it.'
'But why?' Lambert was struggling, still couldn't put it all together.
‘I’m only guessing, but the only reason I can come up with for putting a robot crew member on board with the rest of us and not letting us know about it at the time is that someone wanted a slave observer to report developments back to them.’ She glanced up at Lambert. “Who assigns personnel to ships, makes last-minute changes like trading science officers, and would be the only entity capable of secretly slipping a robot on board? For whatever purpose?’
Lambert no longer looked confused. ‘The Company.’
‘Sure.’ Ripley smiled humorlessly. ‘The Company’s drone probes must have picked up the transmission from the derelict. The Nostromo happened to be the next Company vessel scheduled to pass through this spatial quadrant. They put Ash on board to monitor things for them and to make sure we followed something Mother calls Special Order 937.’
‘If the follow-up on the transmission turns out to be worthless, Ash can report that back to them without us ever knowing what was going on. If worthwhile, then the Company learns what it needs to know before it goes to the trouble of sending out an expensively equipped exploration team. Simple matter of maximizing profit, minimizing loss. Their profit, our loss.’”
Page 251 – 253
Ash speaking: “‘I was directed to reroute the Nostromo or make sure that its crew rerouted it from its assigned course so that it would pick up the signal, program Mother to bring you out of hypersleep, and program her memory to feed you the story about the emergency call. Company specialists already knew that the transmission was a warning and not a distress signal.’
Parker’s hands clenched into fists.
‘At the source of the signal,’ Ash continued, ‘we were to investigate a life form, almost certainly hostile according to what the Company experts distilled from the transmission, and bring it back for observation and Company evaluation of any potential commercial applications. Using discretion, of course.’
‘Of course,’ agreed Ripley, mimicking the machine’s indifferent tone. ‘That explains a lot about why we were chosen, beyond the expense of sending a valuable exploration team in first.’ She looked coldly pleased at having traced the reasoning behind Ash’s words.
‘Importation to any inhabited world, let alone Earth, of a dangerous alien life form is strictly prohibited. By making it look like we simple tug jockeys had accidentally stumbled onto it, the Company had a way of seeing it arrive at Earth ‘unintentionally.’ While we maybe got ourselves thrown in jail, something would have to be done with the creature. Naturally, Company specialists would magnanimously be standing ready to take this dangerous arrival off the hands of the customs officers, with a few judicious bribes prepaid just to smooth the transition.
‘And if we were lucky, the Company would bail us out and take proper care of us as soon as the authorities determined we were honestly as stupid as we appeared. Which we’ve been.’
‘Why?’ Lambert wanted to know. ‘Why didn’t you warn us? Why couldn’t we have been told what we were getting ourselves into?’
‘Because you might not have gone along,’ Ash explained with cold logic. ‘Company policy required your unknowing cooperation. What Ripley said about your honest ignorance fooling customs was quite correct.’
‘You and the damn Company,’ Parker growled. ‘What about our lives. man?’
‘Not man.’ Ash made the correction without anger. ‘As to your lives, I’m afraid the Company considered them expendable. It was the alien life form they were principally concerned with. It was hoped you could contain it and survive to collect your shares, but that was, I must admit, a secondary consideration. It wasn’t personal on the Company’s part. Just the luck of the draw………
‘……..It was much too late, according to what the translators determined, for a distress signal to do the senders any good. The signal itself was frighteningly specific, very detailed.
‘The derelict spacecraft we found had landed on the planet, apparently in the course of normal exploration. Like Kane, they encountered one or more of the alien spore pods. The transmission did not say whether the explorers had time to determine if the spores originated on that particular world or if they had migrated there from somewhere else.
‘Before they all were overcome, they managed to set up the warning, to keep the inhabitants of other ships that might consider setting down on that world from suffering the same fate. Wherever they came from, they were a noble people. Hopefully mankind will encounter them again, under more pleasant circumstances.’"
March 26, 2012
My friend and I just recently had a similar discussion.
Was the information about the incidents that will occur in Prometheus, known to the company or Ash?
My conclussion was there is nothing to suggest either way. Some of Ash's statements could have been just "positronic assumptions". Besides it would have been much easier just to wake Ash and have him follow orders exactly, than to risk the crew bugging out and blowing the attempt (as happened).
The other question that popped up in the discussion was...is the planet in Prometheus actually LV-426 (Acheron)? The obvious answer is yes. However, the Prometheus planets' geography doesnt match LV-426. Even with the inevitable erosin from wind, your not going to just loose mountains and deep gorges.
Either way, I'm excited. Thanks Mr. Scott for reviving the franchise.
March 26, 2012
'Either way, I'm excited. Thanks Mr. Scott for reviving the franchise.'
It always comes back to this....doesn't it?....that's a beautiful thing....
March 26, 2012
I think Ash is making theories based on his evaluation of the Face-hugger that grabbed Kane, i often wondered what the time scale on the Alien film was, the accepted rule on the gestation front is about a day i think so from implantation to the wicked scene around the dining table 24 hours or so passed, its not like Ash would need to sleep so loads of time to turn his synthetic intellect to studying its DNA. Plus when he comments on its Purety and Hostility its a given fact, i mean the thing just tore through 5 crew members one of whom it killed as just a babby.
About his reaction to seeing the Derelict. If the company knew so much then it would be incidental to Ash, he is a machine emulating a human so his instructions are his focus. He does react with awe at the sight of the Derelict but that would still allow for knowing it was there.
Oh yeh! the "does the Nostromo have FTL" it must have, its just entered orbit of a Planet in another star-system in the outer rim. thats a long way away. Plus when Lambert is asked she says it will take a few months to get home so again its got to be FTL.
March 26, 2012
Actually, if you watch Alien, when the computer's first light up on the bridge. There's two dates that come up. One called actual date, and one that I couldn't read, which had something to do with theoretical time and a different date. Which means that The Nostromo was moving pretty damned fast, like close to speed of light. (The dates were months apart.)