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Mark Cawley
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 6:42 AMIf the blue men are indeed the creators of life throught the universe such as earth or whatever. If they are Gods or whatever. Or if the species that created the creators and left them in charge. WHY in Gods name would they want to go back to earth to destroy everything they created? Why create the Alien which we all know is a killing machine without remorse or sentient thinking?
If blue man isnt one of the original species of creators how the hell does he know how to fly the ship and use its technology?
Im pretty sure that the guy with the ginger mohawk and tatoos is our blue man.....or if not hes infected with something cos its him lunging at another crew member then throws the crew member in the vehicle bay on Prometheus.....you can tell from the hair.
That ship is on THAT planet for a reason other than creating life then destroying it again when they found out that man didnt turn out the way that was intended.
Why would they interfere with natural evolution in the first place?
Most of the logical human race thinks we are here from natural evolution.....what would be the purpose of otherwise to a race of more advanced beings? To what end?
What do they think they would achieve?
If they are so advanced they would also know that you cant attain perfection, not through lack of trying. But because, as Dr Ian Malcom said "Life finds a way" So any race human or otherwise, no matter how sophisticated cannot alter nature or the order of the universe and if our alien species whoever they are disregard this knowledge then they cant be that advanced can they?
So why create a race then want to kill it......its like killing your children.
They knew when they left the cave paintings etc that we were becoming advanced from when they (if they did) seeded the earth.....which i highly doubt.
They knew then that we could become more civilised and capable of space travel.....else why leave the paintings? You dont leave a map to people that cant read a map do you?
Then and heres the big one.......If they hoped that we became so technoligical to the point that we could follow their directions......why do they turn out to be so hostile.
Wouldnt they welcome us with open arms?
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neo
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 6:51 AMI answer is simple... we need to watch the movie ... hope all our questions are answered

leewurf
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 6:52 AMMaybe the maps are the alarm. When we evolve to a point where we are able to interpret them and travel to the planet they depict, then we have reached a point where we could become a threat.

neo
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 6:56 AMthere's one thing though .... "GOD" or "CREATOR" would hate that the humans he created would race beyond him... if we find the very ingredient of our existence there is no need for a GOD... there is no use of him/her... it makes us powerful...
And if something makes us feel like GOD (KNOWING) ... who would ever want to give it up??

Mark Cawley
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 6:58 AMA threat to whom? Intergalactic species? We dont know they exsist.....and if we reach a point that we can travel to them........why would we be a threat to them?
Theres enough room in space for everyone dont ya think?

neo
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 7:01 AMthere's enuf room for humans too on this earth but aren't we still fighting??

Mark Cawley
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 7:04 AMBut they possible havnt been in touch since the cave paintings so how would they know who it was turning up to their map co ordinates?
Remember its God that causes death and destruction........religion should i say.
And if they visited us why leave a map.....why not just stay? Why become a God at all......not very advanced of them to think they might be treated as Gods and when the children overtake the tutor just have them killed lol.
Its rediculous........that would make them.....erm, well.....Human lol.

neo
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 7:10 AMyes lol... make them humans.. & maybe we are a part of their creation... speaking of leaving earth ... maybe they wanted to spread themselves to other planets ... who knows ... GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS!!! like ppl say LOL

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 7:14 AMIn some forms of the myth Zeus tries to punish the humans alongside Prometheus after Prometheus steals the fire and gives it to the humans. Zeus sends a massive thunderbolt down that causes a flood in the Caucasus mountain region, and he unleashes waves of monsters and imprisoned Titans to rule over the humans. This can be compared to when the God from the bible causes the flood and destroys Sodom and Gammorah, which have layers of vitrified glass and sediment in the ancient settlement sites some archaeologists shockingly believe were caused by nuclear explosions... around 9 000 years ago. I'm thinking the myth can be related to many different storylines and themes in the movie, and will actually play itself out in this way in the end. One of the human crew, or androids, actually encounters an entity who wants to rebel against the blue gods. It attempts to help the human crew and gives the company what they seek, but the company wants more and wants to use this power in destructive ways, setting off a chain of events that angers their hosts. They think all humans are like this and want to steal the power that gives them their godlike status after one of their engineers shares their secrets. So they attempt to take it out on all of us, and give their engineer an even worse punishment.

Mark Cawley
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 7:35 AMSo Sir Ridley......rather than tie Prometheus to Alien is going for Prometheus with Clash of the Titans.........the mans lost it lol.

want-to-see-prometheusNOW!
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 7:35 AMPersonally, I don't think the guy with the mohawk transforms into the space jockey. And I'm assuming there will be more than one space jockey in the picture, although I can't be sure.
As for them being hostile, I had wondered the same thing a while back. It doesn't make sense to come visit earth so many years ago in peace with the natives and then years later to want to return and destroy it.
The only way I can make sense of it, well, the only reason I could think of that they would want to do that is if the explorers somehow pissed them off. Maybe they didn't want them in that cave, and it upset them, or maybe they took something from the cave. Perhaps someone on the ship connected to Weyland was scheming to steal the space jockey's technology. The space jockey's discovers this, feels their trust is violated, and becomes hostile towards them. Even though Shaw and some of the others had nothing to do with it, the space jockeys do not know that and attack everybody.
I'm sure it will all make sense after we see the film.

db
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 7:39 AMI think we're all overlooking something very simple. If they left "an invitation" many millenia ago for us to "figure out" as we evolved so we could find them... so to have they evolved... (or de-evolved?).
Just take a look at "humanity" over the last few decades.

CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 7:48 AMSimple premise...
The "Blue Meanies" are not really aware of us, and the Space Jockey's are nothing more than their indentured servants... SLAVES.
We were never intended to have reached this point. Something was STOLEN from the "Blue Meanies" by the Jockey's resulting in US!!. The message was left by the JOCKEY's for us.... not by the actual "Blue Meanie" GOD's.
Now imagine if you will, that we then show up unexpectdly one day, and we not only have harnessed the power to travel the stars but we are now even God-like creators of life ourselves...THE DAVID ANDROID!!
Would that not completely freak out and enrage the "Blue Meanie" God's setting off an orgy of butchering the Jockey's for what they have done??...and of course by association, WE are now deemed to be "Blue Meanie" public enemy number 1??

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 7:57 AMThere could be some cultural differences noted by Shaw that exacerbate things on both ends, but really I think it's as simple as everything mentioned above and one of the crew pissing them off and misrepresenting humans. We've been told the name Prometheus will relate to more than just the name of the ship so it really could be that there's a character who metaphorically represents Prometheus stealing the fire/high tehnology and angering the gods; getting all the humans punished in the process because the gods see it as a challenge to their possession of the fire. A fire they inherited from this older slave species and now guard fiercely...

Zedwardson
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 8:19 AMReminds me of the classic B5 bit.
Catherine Sakai: While I was out there, I saw something. What was it?
G'Kar: [pointing to a nearby flower] What is this? [upon closer inspection, an insect is visible]
Catherine: An ant.
G'Kar: "Ant"!
Catherine: So much gets shipped up from Earth on commercial transports, it's hard to keep them out.
[As Catherine is talking, G'Kar carefully picks up the ant.]
G'Kar: I have just picked it up on the tip of my glove. If I put it down again [replacing the ant on the flower] and it asks another ant, "What was that?" …how would it explain? There are things in the universe billions of years older than either of our races. They are vast, timeless. And if they are aware of us at all, it is as little more than ants…and we have as much chance of communicating with them as an ant has with us. We know. We've tried. And we've learned we can either stay out from underfoot, or be stepped on.
Catherine: That's it? That's all you know?
G'Kar: Yes. They are a mystery. And I am both terrified and reassured to know that there are still wonders in the universe…that we have not yet explained everything. Whatever they are, Ms. Sakai, they walk near Sigma 957. They must walk there alone.

CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 8:28 AM^^^^^
Oh man... Your nerd-cred just went through the roof with me!!!
That is a favourite moment of mine!!
I miss Andy K. so much. RIP

chthon
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 8:33 AMThis reminds me of the final scene in the philip k dick short 'Autofac'.
Basically, humans (through a whole in a factory roof) observe little robots building stuff that will indirectly lead to humanity's demise. They are discovered by the little robots who simply seal the whole up and get back to work. "You can't stop (them)" etc etc.
So... the SJs are just going about their bio-business, (too complex for us to imagine). They catch the Prometheus crew trying to interfere then, being a bit more irritable than the autofac mini bots, decide to dish out a bio-weaponed bitch-slap. Simple!

flexer
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 8:45 AMSince the story could be based on Prometheus myth we could expect SJ's to send us back to the caves and not completely destroy humanity. That's an equivalent of chaining of Prometheus to the rock and eating his liver over and over again.

Guest
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 8:55 AMI don't think they wanted to be our Gods forever in the past, they would have stayed.
maybe they passed earth, tought us stuff that accelerated our evolution. continued their journey. now that humans arrive there, maybe a few meanys think of a new world full of slaves they can rule?
thinking some stuff outloud

Kane77
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 9:11 AMI neither think that the mohawk transforms into the space jockey . Perhaps they are in kinda hypersleep till they get activated by accident by the crew of P.
Perhaps they sleep in those strange sarcophagus cylinders on the star map room.

CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 9:24 AMI think the REAL SJ's... the 12 or 14 ft. tall ones are alive and well on the Planet when Prometheus arrives. Well they sure find heaps of their bodies and 1 that appears to be a very FRESH kill and they even examine its head in the med bay on a table.
And what about this shot right from the media link here. What the heck are those behind Shaw... Suits? Statutes? live Sentries???
[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/prometheus_production3.jpg[/img]

ShinobiX9X
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 9:28 AMAfter reading that last article that was shown on this site. I got the impression Scott and/or Lindehof saying the blueish humanoids or SpaceJockeys, and wearing the suits you see in the pice above make them look elephant head. but should be masks.

ShinobiX9X
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 9:29 AMMaybe it's a museum, like here we can see those old knight or samurai harnasses :p

BigDave
MemberDeaconMar-30-2012 9:47 AMWell some good questions and we wont know the answers for sure.
This movie i feel will take a science angle and thats Basically throwing at that a God is real out, and going with the theory that say the Summarian and Egyption Gods where mearly higher advance Space Traveling Humaniods who Stood Twice as Tall as Man.
This is the Blue Guy, the Alien/Promethues answer to the Summarian Anunaki tale.
You question why would they whipe out there creation... well you could say why does Real God of the Bible/Koran wipe out Mankind before..... thats not a loving forgiving God.
The reasons why in the Bible was not only because Man was becoming Evil but the Seed/Purity of Mankind was poluted and became Hybrids so God had to cleanse the Earth but save the Pure that being Noah.
I dont think the Space Jockeys or Engineers as they now seem to be called, planed to Wipe out Mankind... unless they wanted to years ago but some how all died out apart from a few or One?
I can only assume that Mankind finds the Temple on that Planet and the Canisters or Secret of creating Life a secret that holds Great Power but with Great consequences.
And maybe the Engineers find out Mankind is planning to take their secret back to Earth to use themselves, or plain simple they Engineers do not want us to even know about their little secret yet alone take some back.
So they have to stop us, and as Earth already knows about this System now, its not simply a case of Blow up Promethues.
Its like when say Christopher Columbus discovered the Americas and they was the only place on Earth with Oil that could lead to the route of all Evil. The Natives of the Americas could destroy Christopher Columbuses Ships.... but they know chances are the East would just keep sending ships in future or potentially word could reach back to the East about the treasures of America.
It would be like the Native Americans back in those days having Nukes and thinking looks like we got to go and wipe all of the europeans out to Stop them ever comming here in future.
Remember the the Story of Prometheus is the Titan who gave Mankind Fire which he Stole from the Gods (other Titans). This is linked to Movie.
Like Fire, the stuff in those Pods could be another secret of the Gods/Space Jockeys only this is one Secret that none of them are going to give to Man, its a case of Man comming to their kindom to Take it.
Just if you will it was not Prometheus or stole Fire to give to man, but say it was Man who stole Fire from the Gods, it would then be Man who would get punished and not the Titan Prometheus.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Mark Cawley
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 11:50 AMThe real God of the bible doesnt wipe out man.......nor the Koran God nor any other God for that fact.
Man wipes out man........every time.
Weve never seen gods start wars........only men. Or women depending on your point of view lol.

craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 12:25 PM@Mark Cawley..... "Most of the logical human race thinks we are here from natural evolution"
I, as a believer in God, can see your position as being just as illogical, but I choose not to refer to you or other non-believers in that negative manner.....we can discuss our opinions with an open mind and not refer to people we disagree with in that light, with that kind of connotation. I enjoy hearing differing opions and respect you for yours......
To your point, whatever part the SpaceJockies play in man's existence or advancement, it would seem to me that the Jockies were not expecting man's advancement to the point of literal contact on THEIR world and or, once contact was made, Man's arrogant entitlment to the idea that we can investigate and sample anything we discover as though it is ours, hence the film's corollation with the Promethean myth, enrages them to the point that they decide we've grown too big for our own britches and the time has come to put us in our place.....
It's like the crew walk across the SpaceJockey's threshold, refuse to wipe their feet and then start treating everything they find as fair game....oooh this pretty or interesting, I think I'll take some..........
The truly interesting question is what about them visiting earth so terrifies our crew?....What specifically has Shaw believing that if the crew doesn't do something, "there won't be any home to go back to"?
The why is not so difficult to imagine....whatever the SpaceJockey's relationship to humanity is....it's not that difficult to imagine an intelligence indifferent and malevolent enough to regard our species as worth annihilating...especially once we've made it clear that our ambition exceeds the sense to proceed cautiously......

WhyDontTheyFreezeHim
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2012 9:47 PMMaybe they made us for scientific testing or something...similar to how humans breed lab rats for science?
We probably mean absolutely nothing to them. I really doubt that they see us as their "children" as many seem to think. They may have created us, but when humans create bacteria, do we see the bacteria as our children? Nope.
Compared to them were probably just like bacteria or something. Who really knows until we see the movie?
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