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Prometheus takes place in LV-223!!!

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red hood
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I to am worried about the flight school of the Spacey Jockey's. To be a Superior Race, they can't seem to fly there own equipment. Derelicts all over the Universe.
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He went searching for the fountain of youth. Apparently he was dying or no one makes it past a certain age despite most diseases being cured. He might be trying to cheat death and became it instead.
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^^^^ This. If there is one known constant in the entire history of the human race, it is that we "DO IT TO OURSELVES".
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Shane
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So were back to 2 earth ship theory again? The 2 david [one a earlier generation then the other one] theory?
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I bought the new issue of EMPIRE magazine; awesome holographic cover and great coverage of Prometheus. The cast give their perspective on the movie and Sir Ridley Scott answers all the questions you could ever ask! Definitely worth the cash: http://www.empireonline.com/magazine/
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CanadaPhil
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I have now idea what that "theory" is Shane.
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CanadaPhil
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Hahaha... typo I cant fix again... NO
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Honestly - why don´t we wait until the whole plot is revealed right in front of our eyes - i think there is a twist in the story which projects the whole movie towards the derelict from alien - scott always referred to the fact that the last minutes of the movie will make the connection.... on the other hand - he never held back that prometheus is a movie rather telling a very own story - fine with me - i´m looking forward to something new - a very unique ride - otherwise i would be disappointed - i guess we will be stunned nonetheless the connection to alien is rather small.... regards - chris
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sorry - should read: nonetheless the connection to alien seems to be rather subtle.... :-) chris
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Good .... well we dont know more than before and that is good ...im pleased that everyone say that the movie look wonderful . I suspect that guy pearce play a much bigger role ....
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Shane
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@canadaphil Early in product someone took a photo that got taken down called "magellan kitchen set". It was unknown if they named it this to throw people off the trail or, the more popular one on some forums, that it was a earlier ship with Weyland and a previous generation of David that has been crashed there since. Some people think the shaw birthing takes place there since the technology looks so primitive to the other shots on the prometheus. Some thing that it is what you see in the background when the Jockey and the Prometheus crash. here I will find a pic: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/setpics/normal_setpic31.jpg People have speculated that this is a piece of that ship. One of the tv spots or trailers has a quick shot of it on the ground while the derelict and prometheus collide. You can see vickers escape pod shooting in that scene. Might be some truth to it...
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OK Thanks... But that is sort of what I have thought all along after reading the cryptic entry in the timeline. I think the HELIADES had already made it to this world, and that Weyland is NOT on the Prometheus, but was already there as an old man... still alive.. or in stasis. But Weyland was in fact on the FIRST VESSEL to travel far out beyond the stars. He was part of the crew of the HELIADES. That "mystery" ship is in fact the H.
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Yeah same idea different Name. The earlier generation of david taking care of status Weyland.
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I think it is a good idea to have the story take place on another planet (LV 223 or whatever) . I would like to think the engineers being so advanced would have the ability to have outposts or bases on other moons and planets. The United States has military installations everywhere in the world and when man gets to the far reaches of our galaxy I'm sure we'll have outposts on moons and other planets if possible. Also if things do look a bit like the 2nd draft of the supposed leaked script ( i personally think it's fake) the writers have said it's changed mulitple times so they have probably improved as rewrites have been done. My only concern now is I don't want people to steal the movie and it get on the internet way before it's release because it sounds like it looks beautiful and I don't want to hear people complaining about the film before it's seen in the format it is intended to be viewed. I'm still stoked and the more info we get my interests is that much more peaked.
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Spartacus:[quote]SORRY MAN, I AM GENUINELY PISSED AND CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD RUIN THINGS LIKE THIS.[/quote] I'm sorry...what's ruined? Your're acting like a child having throwning his toys out of the pram, because your little mind can't take in a plot line that lends a strand to that of the Alien franchise. The plot of Prometheus is before the events of Alien, it is going to be different in stark contrast...and all the better for it I say. I personally don't want to see another Alien spin-off, it died after the first 2 films, but ressurrected with the turgid Predator v Alien fairytales. Ridley is bringing a whole new ball game to the park, and I for one can't wait to see how it unfolds. The concept is spot on. In this film there is no knowledge (let alone existence) of the Xenomorph, and no requirement for it. The events in Prometheus will simply provide the 'causes' of the future events depicted in Alien...ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLANET! IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY! So, do you want your toys back, or are you going to continue to sit in the pram with a trembling bottom lip, screaming..."I want! I want! I want!"...throwing out everything offered to you? Grow up.
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@ Shane... Its almost as if, he could have been marooned there, yet had ideas in his head that would be required in order to accomplish whatever it turns out his "REAL" goal was all along. Perhaps, he had been transmitting secret directives back to Weyland Industries on Earth and this is what causes them to develop what seems to be VERY SPECIFIC technologies?? Only, YEARS are going to go by before these transmissions can be received and acted upon??
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@Aristillus will do, thanks for the advice.
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I've been wondering if Vickers is related to Weyland. Meredith means "warlord" or something like that, and Vickers means "son of priest/vicar". I don't know how they chose her name, but I wondered if the meaning of her name really told us something. I was also wondering of Vickers may have been male at one time (was it Lambert who was inherently male but changed to female? And vice-versa for Dallas?). I don't know...just an idea I had.
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also do not really know you and really couldn't care less what you think but you obviously do not know what you are talking about The Dereelict is PART OF THIS and that's a massive connection to the alien film., AND THIS...WTF DOES THIS EVEN MEAN.... [quote]in a plot line that lends a strand to that of the Alien franchise.[/quote] My Mind INSISTS ON IT... and then the kicker is this comment you made which is so far out in outer space and so far out of touch wiht reality that it;s the last time i am going to adress yo even or anything you say... [quote] The concept is spot on. In this film there is no knowledge (let alone existence) of the Xenomorph, and no requirement for it. The events in Prometheus will simply provide the 'causes' of the future events depicted in Alien...ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLANET! IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY![/quote] that quote is 100% completely wrong!!! 100% COMPLETELY F'ING WRONG !!! IN FACT IT IS 100% SPOT OFF !!! THERE IS 100% DEFINITVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE XENOMORPH AND YOU HAVE A SERIOIUS PROBLEM PERSONALLY ATTACKING SOMEONE LET ALONE ME LIKE THAT!!! BUT IT IS SIMPLY AMAZING HOW MISGUIDED AND MISPLACED AND ILL INTENDED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU SAID WAS !!!
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The only way this would piss anybody off is if they wanted "Prometheus" to be a direct prequel to "Alien" (which we've been told over and over it's NOT - Maybe it's time we started listening). So it's confirmed now that it takes place on a different planet than "Alien" did, and thus it's a different "derelict" ship, and a different crew of "space jockeys," etc. etc. etc. All of which serves to prove that Ridley Scott and Damien Lindelof were telling the truth when they said this was not a prequel to "Alien," and that this story does indeed go off on a tangent of its own - one which may not even lead to the events of the original film. To quote the late Chris Hitchens: [size=200][b]SO-BLOODY-WHAT?!?[/b][/size] It's still a new film from [u]Ridley Scott[/u] set in the fictional universe of "Alien" and featuring some of the same thematic elements as that film. And I'll take that over the obscene garbage that was "AvP" and "AvPR" ANY day of the week. Anybody who thinks that this is grounds for throwing some kind of absurd tantrum needs to really, [i]really[/i] get over it.
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HAHAHAHAHA SOMEONE ELSE WHO DID NOT READ THIS THREAD PROPERLY I CAME IN HERE AND THERE IS 15 THREADS AND 100 POSTS PROCLAIMING THIS ENTIRE FILM TAKES PLACE ON LV-423 SO I LOOK THROUGH ALL THE MATERIAL AND DISCOVER IT IS I AM SUGGESTING THAT IF THERE IS NO TRIP TO LV-426 THEN THE DERELICT IS ON LV-423 WHICH WOULD MAKE NO SENSE...AND SAID THE CREW AND THIS WHOLE THING WOULD HAVE TO MOVE TO LV-426 BEFORE THE END OF THE FILM OR THE WHOLE THING WOULD MAKE ZERO SENSE AND I AM 100% RIGHT IN MY MIND ABOUT THIS. SO GO LEARN TO READ!!!
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ALSO AND THIS IS EVEN BETTER... IT ALSO MEANS THAT THE DERELICT WAS IN FACT EN ROUTE TO EARTH TO PUNISH MANKIND FOR STEALING SOME OF THE VIALS END OF STORY!!!
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it also means that their Cargo was Xenomorphs, pre programmed vials for Xenomorph Encoding and that they were to be used to Terraform Earth !!!
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Um, It's LV-[i]223[/i]. Not sure where you got the 423 from. You seem to have some strange obsession with there being only ONE of these alien ships like the 'derelict.' YOU are the one who needs to explain why it would make "Zero Sense" if the movie doesn't end up on LV-426. Pssst, here's a hint: there's more than [i]one[/i] of those "derelict" ships. Imagine that. "Ha ha ha," indeed.
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"Anybody who thinks that this is grounds for throwing some kind of absurd tantrum needs to really, really get over it." If someone wants to throw a tantrum because they are disappointed with the 'direction of a film', that is their personal right. It's just a personal opinion concerning a FILM and causes no harm to anyone. What DOES cause harm to PEOPLE is when people like you are rude to other people for the opinions they carry about something as fucking petty as popular entertainment.
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I'm all for disappointment, but can it be done in not all caps so I can actually read it. And who knows, maybe the derelict has been on LV426 for years at this point, and the temple on LV223 is there to make sure no one is stupid enough to go disturb it. It was a warning to their race to not go near. Perhaps this guy was the watchman. Upon his death the beacon gets activated.
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This whole f'ing thread has become completely tiresome. All hail THE HIGH PRIEST!
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Jeez, I go away for a week, and you guys are all over Sparty, who is usually one of several "voices of reason," on here. Play nice kids!
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I have no problem if they are on LV426 or LV223 or Zeus or any other planet. As long as Mr. Scott manage to make a damn good movie with a damn good story, then I don't have any fu**** problem quite frankly. When I started reading the second leaked script (released some weeks ago), I immediately felt (which may be wrong) that if its not 100% original even than its quite legitimate, so I stopped reading it. Its funny that people use to imagine all kind of stories & plots and when they realize that their imagination conflicts with the actual vision of director or writer, they start to criticize things. I absolutely have all the faith in Ridley Scott and his team of writers. Whatever the end product will be on June 8th, I'm sure I'll love it.
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@"want-to-see-prometheusNOW!" "If someone wants to throw a tantrum because they are disappointed with the 'direction of a film', that is their personal right." Yep. And I have the "personal right" to call it absurd. You're right about one thing, though - it's f**king petty. He's tying himself into a knot because he seems to consider the credibility of the film is somehow ruined (whatever that means) for the reasons specified earlier in this thread, whereas I (and others here) see no reason to think so at all. I could also point out the irony of talking about the 'pettiness' of voicing opinions on a particular piece of popular entertainment on a forum [i]dedicated[/i] to that particular piece of popular entertainment which is itself part of an entire [i]website[/i] focused on that particular piece of popular entertainment and its attendant fictional milieu, but I'm sure you get the idea.
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Sparky is, sometimes annoyingly so, very passionate and upfront with his views and opinions. All he is saying is what that that little voice at the back of some of our heads is saying, which is "Eh? What? WTF?!?". I understand his point - In Alien we see a "crashed" Derelict on Acheron LV-426. In the trailers for Prometheus we see a virtually identical Derelict vessel crash on a planet that, according to our deductions, looks to be in the same system. For this crashed Derelict to not be the one from Alien seems narratively longwinded and unnecessary, because to link to Alien we have to have another ship crash/crashed on LV-426. For now I reserve judgment until I see the footage or the film itself.

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"Oh noes! It's not LV-426! The movie is ruined!" Whaaaaambulance has been dispatched.
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I'm embarrassed, sorry. Planet in Prometheus photos...........BIG PLANET......... Planet in Alien....................small planet.......oid Fantastic new territory. What is the problem? It all sounds very wonderful to me, but some on this board are becoming very infantile and I hope it doesn't tip over into IMDB territory soon, or I'm off here. I've been all for the more than one 'underelict' for a long time - and SJ(s) Why not?
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The ship in Alien could have emergency landed on LV426, not crashed. That ship could have been on that planet for decades, or centuries. The interior of the ship in Prometheus is not the same as the one in Alien. The only reasonable answer, to me, is that these are different ships on different planets. I'm going with Occam's Razor on this one.
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A couple of things. As far as there being two 'crashed' alien ships: The ship in the original "Alien" doesn't appear to be damaged. Yes, it is obviously a "derelict" in the sense that it is an abandoned hulk, but it seems that the only reason it's still there on LV-426 is because the pilot got himself a bad case of chest-bursting indigestion, so to speak. The ship looks intact, though, rather than wrecked, as one might expect from a crash. (Incidentally, can I point out that the visual representation of the ship's hold in "Alien" doesn't quite seem right? What I mean is - look at the dimensions of the chamber Kane is lowered into, and look at the shape of the room. It curves, but then it curves again, and it doesn't seem to follow the contours of the 'derelict.' Not to mention that the opening that leads down to the egg chamber seems to have been 'melted' through the floor, as others have pointed out here elsewhere. It really does seem to be a 'cave,' as John Hurt calls it in the film. And yet, the walls have the same sort of biomechanical look as the Space Jockey's chamber does [which is actually because they used the same bit of set for both rooms,*cough*budgetconsiderations*cough* but I digress]. And yes, I know the 'derelict" is gigantic, but the cave looks even bigger. And I know it was probably unintentional on Scott's part; it's just how it appears. Just an observation). Anyway - The alien craft in the "Prometheus" trailers looks like it gets a whole can of whoop-ass unloaded on it by the [i]Prometheus[/i] (the ship). The thing goes down in flames, and there's at least one shot of it with smoke coming from it after the collision. I'm sure rolling across the landscape like a giant donut isn't good for its structural integrity, either. Point being - one derelict seems to be the outcome of a xenomorph impregnation of its pilot; the other downed alien craft looks to have been deliberately taken out by the earthlings. So the idea of there being more than one is really not all that far fetched at all. But back to the issue at hand: although may folks seem to think that LV-426 and LV-223 are both satellites of the same planet, there's no reason to believe that's the case other than the fact that the host planet has a ring around it (which is actually pretty common even among the larger planets in our own solar system). Also, in the "Alien" universe, we don't necessarily have a planetary naming scheme that corresponds with what we use in the real world, or even something more streamlined like Star Trek's "Ceti-Alpha-5," "Ceti-Alpha-6," and so on). LV-223 might be nowhere [i]near[/i] the planetoid in "Alien." James Cameron (who came up with the name) said it was simply a number given to the planet for navigational purposes - nothing more. Thus the "LV" designation may very well mean squat. (Also, big props to Scott/Lindelof for using the LV-426 name; there's no law saying they even had to [i]acknowledge[/i] anything from the later movies). But... Perhaps it IS the same ship, and it's either repaired by the Space Jockey race, or it has some kind of organic ability to heal/repair itself (as someone else has pointed out), and then in the future it somehow winds up on LV-426 during some other mission. It's possible. But I gotta be honest, THAT to me seems like a far more convoluted (and, I think contrived) bit of plot-jiggering for the sole purpose of making sure the 'derelict' winds up on LV-426. I don't see that as being a priority of the storytellers/filmmakers, since they have said over and over and over again that this movie isn't a prequel to the events of "Alien." To me, it all makes for the prospect of a far more surprising, unpredictable, interesting and satsifying moviegoing experience than it might be if Scott & Co. wind up being hamstrung by the need to make sure that one film connects cleanly to the other... [i]That's[/i] the kind of thing George Lucas does.
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Well put, John D.
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Whoops , that should've said props to them for using the same naming convention , not the actual name LV-426 . My bad .
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According to the figures reported, it seems that LV-223 would be 10 times more distant from Earth than Lv-426. If those numbers are correct then the 2 planets are very far away from each other!
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born. Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.
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what figures?

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Tried not to read to much but noticed the Lv223 part. At the start i was actually excited with it, any that are not all i can say is wait until you see the film and hopefully its sequel cause i bet it will all tie in nicely. Starting off on a different planet can only add to its storyline and has me excited even more. /hug to any that need it :)

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