Is Ridley Scott sexist?
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dallas!dallas!
MemberOvomorphApril 12, 20125404 Views51 RepliesIt is time we men spoke up for ourselves. For too long, men have been given shallow roles, needing to be rescued by the smarter, tougher, more pragmatic women. It is unfair, unright, ungood, and unacceptable. Look at how men are portrayed in the original Alien--dim (Brett), lazy (Parker), lazy and dim (Dallas), or even British! (Kane and Ash). This blatant sexism has to stop. It reinforces stereotypes that have damaged men for generations. I fear we will see more dim, lazy and British men in Prometheus. Act now! Tell Scott his old fashion views have no place in 2012 or 2087!
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FREEZE!April 12, 2012
ha!
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chthonApril 12, 2012
I recall the natural order was restored when the girl got in the way of the predator frizzbie in avp2.
One for mysogyny. Chauvinism etc

SyphonoxApril 12, 2012
This is intersting. My wife thinks it's hilarious because I get worked up with the constant stereotyping of the imcompetent male in movies, shows, and ESPECIALLY in commercials. It's annoying to those of us who hold our own, and then some, to keep our society moving forward. Ahhh.....gotta stop here lol
NoXWordApril 12, 2012
And also Kane being raped! That's outrageous! We (men) are tired of being treated like goods!
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.
dallas!dallas!April 12, 2012
@Syphonox
Yes! Commercials are the worst! My personal favorites growing up were ones for board games, usually with the family gathered around . . . the Dad/husband/boyfriend always loses. Like he's just too stupid to keep up with the wife and kids. Too funny.

MembraneApril 12, 2012
That's why to counter-balance, I will be hitting the bar for some beer, whiskey and cigars with my buddies, then head to the theater to catch Expendables 2. :-)
Haujobb - Membrane / Acretongue Remix
dallas!dallas!April 12, 2012
lol. They changed the title of my post. Too manly for them. Okay, I understand.

MembraneApril 12, 2012
I mean, I can't watch [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rkdTcQLwZ4]this trailer[/url] without saying "f**ckin' A". :-)
Haujobb - Membrane / Acretongue Remix
dallas!dallas!April 12, 2012
@Membrane
That is the shit. And no more of this governor stuff for Arnie. He's back where he belongs.
keepshowkeeperApril 12, 2012
You're not serious. You can't be. Let me just say this: With the character of Ellen Ripley RS was the very first director in movie-history who established a female action hero. I can't overemphasis this achievement. Before Alien, women in action/horror/sf-movies are just helpless, screaming sex-objects to be saved and protected by the male hero, totally unable to care for themselves let alone being able to make the right decisions in dangerous situations. Sadly, this clichee lives on and on in modern movies and I am SO SICK OF IT, because it has absolutely nothing to do with real life. On the other hand I'm well aware that even in 2012 there are males existing in real life, that still find helpless, screaming sex-objects in movies entertaining.

MembraneApril 12, 2012
dallas!dallas! - and similar to the discussions about the rating for 'Prometheus', there were grumblings about hearing 'Expendables 2' would be PG-13. After Stallone initially saying the rumors about it being PG-13 were true, there was a tremendous backlash, which caused him to come back and say it will be R. I wonder how 'Prometheus' will hash the rating stuff out.
And I'll leave you with this gem from Stallone about the movie... "this Barbeque of Grand scale Ass Bashing will not leave anyone hungry".
Haujobb - Membrane / Acretongue Remix

alteredstate.April 12, 2012
from cerebral scfi to kick ass numbskull summer popcorn in one fell swoop amazing.
dallas!dallas!April 12, 2012
@keepshowkeeper
Lighten up, Francis. lol.
But on a serious note, I would disagree that the cliche (one e) lives on and on. Resident Evil, Underworld, any flick with Angelina Jolie . . . since Alien, the kick-ass woman has become something of a cliche itself. Although, I would say that Hollywood can't seem to make a really good sci-fi/horror/action flick with kick-ass heroines. Actually, the same goes for ones with kick-ass men. At least, we're equal on that count.
dallas!dallas!April 12, 2012
@alteredstate
You may think Prometheus is numbskull summer popcorn fare but I would disagree. Look deeper.



MembraneApril 12, 2012
dallas!dallas!, I think he's referring to me bringing up 'Expendables 2'. Is that correct alteredstate? I would assume that's not your kind of movie then based on your comment. :-)
Haujobb - Membrane / Acretongue Remix

alteredstate.April 12, 2012
i can watch them i just wait till channel 5 has a marathon macho night which is about once a month here lol.
dallas!dallas!April 12, 2012
alteredstate, even funnier (when thinking about expendables) is that Stallone wanted to play Edgar Allen Poe, I mean seriously wanted to write, direct and star in a bio-pic about Poe. And you know what, I would actually pay to see that.


MembraneApril 12, 2012
A true "numbskull" movie is 'The Three Stooges', opening tomorrow. :-)
(alright, I'm done with bringing other movies up)
Haujobb - Membrane / Acretongue Remix
dallas!dallas!April 12, 2012
@membrane
Yeah, I got it, but hey, how can anyone not love Van Damme? It just makes no sense.

CanadaPhilApril 12, 2012
Its not just Scott!!
For the love of God man, they BENT HARRISON FORD OVER A PINBALL MACHINE with that Cystal Skunk movie!
Over a Pinball Machine I tellz yah !!!
: P
dallas!dallas!April 12, 2012
@ Canada Phil
LOL.
But hey, at least we have Shia Lebouf to carry on Ford's legacy.
And now to work . . .
GhorgulApril 12, 2012
Yeah, Totally agree!
Women should go back to be between a fist and a stove.
Women are like Facehuggers, their only purpose is breeding.
Women can't drive cars, why do I see women drive succesfully cars in movies, escapes me!
Ok, all this was pure sarcasm, and my views are almost exactly the opposite.
But I hope all you others were being sarcastic too.
Cheers
NoXWordApril 12, 2012
Oh my... USHBUCK would have loved this topic, its INTENSITY...
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

craigamoreApril 12, 2012
You scared me there for a second Ghorgul.....but seriously, can't we just come to a point where people accept that there are capable members of both sexes just as htere are complete and total morons of both sexes and...guess what....shit happens and sometimes guys look stupid, sometimes women look stupid in film because THOSE CHARACTERS HAPPEN TO BE THAT WAY.......who cares? I mean, really...Sure, 'Alien' tore down that barrier for women to an extent, so there it is...whatever happens is whatever happens......I realized a long time ago that I should be respecting an individual for who they are rather than the nature of the genitalia, skin color, etc., etc. etc. It isn't that hard to just let things be....it really isn't....
NeurionApril 12, 2012
@Dallas!Dallas!
Hey pal, I absolutly agree with you. You might get a kick outta something I posted a while back, when the sequel to Carpenter's THE THING was released. Here it is below:
The Thing is…
Well, I saw “THE THING” prequel last night. (NO SPOILERS) If I compare it to the average Science fiction/Horror film…it wasn’t terrible, and had some pretty interesting ideas. On the other hand, if I compare it to truly excellent films of the genre, of which there are few (Carpenter’s THE THING, ALIEN), it’s quite weak and feeble…at best.
The setting/atmosphere was a bit stale…and “diet Coke.” Like its predecessor, there should have been more of a…pardon the pun, “Who Goes There?” sense of paranoia in the air. Also, I never really got the sense of bitter cold, and the frigid reality that it would be in Antarctica. The extra-terrestrial monster manifestations are pretty cool designs, with some rip-offs…or homage to the original The Thing, Alien, From Beyond, Leviathan, etc. A few of the effects are crap, right out of a “Sifi channel” original movie, but most are passable or good. The films editing and pacing is a bit off, and the third act feels rushed.
However, I will sacrifice criticizing everything for a solid story, believable characters, and realistic, interesting dialogue.
The question is: Who goes to see Science Fiction Horror Films?
I mean…Who goes there?!
I’ll tell you who goes there. MALES. That’s right! Males between the ages of 10 and 50. Sure you have a couple of “here and theres,” but by and large, it’s “Dudes” who make or break a SciFi/horror film’s box-office success.
So why in God’s name, do filmmakers continue to shove and shoehorn female characters into traditional “male roles”? Once again, I’ll tell you why…to push a liberal, feminist agenda. These roles are traditional because they work…and are more realistic. This is an unpopular and fairly taboo subject in today’s society. You would think, they would be smart…and greedy enough to realize that sometimes you cannot accomplish both box-office success, and political correctness simultaneously. Alas, they’re too numb to figure out this equation.
When I saw the film last night, there were about 70 or 80 people in the audience…give or take. Only 6 or 7 were female. This is what I talking about. This is a “Guy flick,” whether people like it or not. So, all the males in the theater sat there and watched a woman shell out most of the flame throwing and alien ass-kickins. In my humble opinion, this is the main reason why this movie will fail. To tell you the truth, I actually, really liked the lady protagonist’s character…a lot! Doesn’t change the fact, that deep down, males want to identify with a male protagonist.
One could say: “Well it worked in “ALIEN” with Ripley”. My answer for that would be: It worked in ALIEN, first of all, because it was a novelty. It had never…really been done before.
Secondly, in the original ALIEN, Ripley was not the Rambo type of character she was eventually developed into. She was a young, responsible officer, who had command authority and terrible decisions thrust upon her, in an impossible situation.
Thirdly, ALIEN was less of an action picture, and more of a horror film. Therefore, Ripley fit perfectly into the horror genre’s male psychological…Beauty and the Beast cycle, where male viewers are free to be scared and terrified, vicariously through a female character’s predicament…without injuring their own tender male ego.
Ultimately, I enjoyed a lot of the elements in the new “THE THING” film…but it’s still weak, and pales in comparison to the original.
~Neurion
Prom_queenApril 12, 2012
Neurion,
You need to read or re-read craigamore's previous post. Also, Dallas!Dallas! was being sarcastic.

ZedwardsonApril 12, 2012
I am so going to burn for this but.....
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SpartacusApril 12, 2012
as Biomechanic once said..."If I hear the words..."You complete me" in this thing I'll be walking out".
Prom_queenApril 12, 2012
zedwardson, yes you deserve to burn for that, and I hope the burn is in your bad place.
Just kidding.


alteredstate.April 12, 2012
i just watched the thing yesterday run of the mill horror yarn with a few ok thrills.
Having said that its what i expected and leads into the carpenter film quite as expected.
Noted that alec gillis and tom woodruff were responsible for the effects. the team behind the last 3 alien films but i still think rob botins work is superior.

AshmodeanApril 13, 2012
I don't think seeing Brittish people in sci-fi is unrealistic. Australians on the other hand...
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