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Good question. You know to me personally I believe this IS a part of the ALIEN franchise. Whether its a prequel or some indirect story relating to the ALIEN universe, to me its part of the franchise. 1. You Got Ridley Scott back on board with this movie. The guy who got the ALIEN franchise started. I mean that alone should be a green light for acceptance into the ALIEN franchise. Also its Ridley Scott...he's a fantastic filmmaker.....yeah enough said. 2. The Prometheus Trailers just SCREEEEEEAAAAMMM ALIEEEENNN. Its plain and simple. If you've seen ALIEN you'll see why. 3. The derelict ship in ALIEN is shown in Prometheus. That is a big sign that this has a direct coalition or relation to the Alien universe/ALIEN. 4. The Weyland Industries brought about in Prometheus is a corporation we all know too well in the Alien films as Weyland-Yutani. Now if Weyland Industries is in Prometheus which is also seen and heard of in all 4 Alien films than we know this has to be some sort of prequel and not just some sort of spotted dna alien driven film. 5. David the Android. There's been an Android in every single Alien movie to date. Throwing one in Prometheus gives its feel for something that the Alien films did quite well, well keeping up the tradition. Put an android in this film. Nice touch. Plus the androids' names in the Alien films follow an alphabetical pattern: in Alien it's Ash, in Aliens and Alien³ it's Bishop, in Alien: Resurrection it's Call and in this film it's David. Haha coincidence? Yeah idk about that..... 6. The Space Jockey, the unknown creature in ALIEN within the derelict that was dead now makes an official appearance in Prometheus but alive. Dead Space Jockey in ALIEN, live Space Jockey in Prometheus.....yeah there has to be some connection. If this isn't a direct prequel than it has some very strong franchise tie ins to the original 4 films. Plus this LV-223 rumoring that we have heard of might just be a prequel to the actual prequel which would take place on LV-426 thus to which would lead up to ALIEN. Just some theories. But who REALLY knows right. We will have to wait and see Prometheus on June 8th to find out for sure.

It may well be the studio to keep Ridley in check and have it sounding like a stand alone film to generate more revenue from people who don't know the Alien universe but want a grand Sci Fi epic film. But for all us die hard Alien franchise fans, it DOES scream Alien prequel with derelict ship, space jockey, alien xenomorph murals (you know it is), nods to the ship design of Cobb and Foss and the interior of the Nostromo. Androids, squidly things, etc... Come on!! I'm excited either way!

Ridley was trying to distance himself from the Alien franchise when he said it was not an Alien prequel as he felt it had been overused and abused in recent cinema. Clearly, as he said himself, there are strands of Alien dna. But as Ridley said he hopes to make a sequel to Prometheus. I view Prometheus as a prequel to the prequel to Alien.

But haven't you answered your own question? Not only the Director, (Ridley Scott - a temperate and serious man, not previously known for his blatant and stupid, public lies), but also both Writers and a lot of the Talent are saying something on the lines of: "it is not a prequel - but it does take place in the same Universe, sharing story elements". I suppose it's possible that you could find a great many self-supporting, convoluted and unsubstantiated reasons why that [i]must[/i] all be one big silly prank - (even 'though most of those "reasons" are actually answered in what the Director et al have already said about the context of the movie). Personally, as I can't think of one sensible reason why all these people would do that and what they'd be trying to protect, it all seems terrifyingly straightforward.

@Ripley Clone 8, well done! You put it all together very well!

I dont care if its prequel or not. To me, ever since I seen that Space Jockey and everything else related to the Alien franchise, this movie INSTANTLY become part of the Alien franchise for me. I dont care what Ridley says(with all respect to him).

I kind of put it like this, bare with me. The Alien franchise is like a main street in a city, and Prometheus is a cross street. They intersect each other briefly and share the same concrete, but at the end of the intersection, they go on their different ways. That's why I think that Ridley can make a sequel, because his cross street is going in a different direction. I do believe him when he says it is not a prequel. IMHO

Like RC said there will be simularities but that stops there. Alien is done and gone and needs to stay that way - old news nothing new to tell. Promtheus is going to go to place that is going to open new possibilities on our origins and it will play on that age old questions - who are we, why are we and how did we get here. It will also add special effects, amazing picture and sound along with action, drama and a thought provoking screen play. RC is about the story and the people and that is what Alien was about and Promethues is going to be about. Is this a prequel - hope not and I doubt it. As I said it is time for something new from RC and this is going to bring it. If it were a sequel the studio would have played it that way but doing so would have limited the attendance to just fans of RC and Alien. I think they are looking to bring in a new generation of sci-fi fan that will appreciate a real thought provoking story with meaning and not some bug movie with blood and guts. I have said once before and I will say it again - real Alien diehards will walk out of this movie disappointed not getting a bug hunt. Myself I am looking forward to this becasue it is not an Alien movie but a RC movie.

I think the reason Ridley Scott is denying Prometheus as a prequel is that he doesnt want to send the message that the end result of the film will be the derelict spacecraft on lv-426 with the spacejockey getting killed by the facehugger. Where Prometheus does live in the same universe as alien and also takes place before alien therefore by definition it is in fact a 'Prequel.' He just doesnt want to set peoples expectations for Prometheus' finale to result in Alien directly. As hes said many times... Prometheus deals with something much larger and more an epic scale when compared with Alien. I personally am going into Prometheus as a stand alone film, which shares elements of the alien franchise.

It isn't the derelict from "Alien," but we are going to learn more about the xeno and its' relationship to the SJs. Isn't that enough? Why does it have to lead [i]directly[/i] into the events of "Alien," thereby removing every last ounce of mystery that movie had left? I really don't understand why that's apparently so crucial for many fans.

@artyoh exactly! i dont understand why everybody feels they need ABSOLUTELY every question in the book answered. Leaves nothing to the imagination, leaves no intrigue. Sometimes loose ends add interesting speculation and allows viewers to use their brains to conjure up theories in response to what theyve just watched.

exactly! i dont understand why everybody feels they need ABSOLUTELY every question in the book answered. Leaves nothing to the imagination, leaves no intrigue. I call it closure :-D that's what I'd like for once.

If the entire point of this movie, was to explain exactly how the particular SJ ship in "Alien" got there and all the events in Prometheus led up to where "Alien" begins, where would the franchise go from there? At that point, you've really kinda closed the loop, instead of leaving it open, haven't you? I can understand someone arguing that it [i]might[/i] be better that way, but I don't think Fox wants to close up shop on this property.....I mean, like the PG rating and "pacing" cuts...at the end of the day, film [i]is[/i] a business.

"5. David the Android. There's been an Android in every single Alien movie to date. Throwing one in Prometheus gives its feel for something that the Alien films did quite well, well keeping up the tradition. Put an android in this film. Nice touch. Plus the androids' names in the Alien films follow an alphabetical pattern: in Alien it's Ash, in Aliens and Alien³ it's Bishop, in Alien: Resurrection it's Call and in this film it's David. Haha coincidence? Yeah idk about that....." I won't be completely convinced untill I see a scene where David is dismembered; revealing that he is constructed from 90% anal beads like Ash was.

"5. David the Android. There's been an Android in every single Alien movie to date. Throwing one in Prometheus gives its feel for something that the Alien films did quite well, well keeping up the tradition. Put an android in this film. Nice touch. Plus the androids' names in the Alien films follow an alphabetical pattern: in Alien it's Ash, in Aliens and Alien³ it's Bishop, in Alien: Resurrection it's Call and in this film it's David. Haha coincidence? Yeah idk about that....." I won't be convinced untill I see a scene of David being dismembered; revealing that he is constructed out of 90% anal beads just like Ash.

I agree Cypher... closure. No need to solve this puzzle too quickly and spoil the fun

Just for once, I want to see something END. Nice and neat. All I really wanna know is how he ended up there and what the hell came outta his chest. And what the hell was he doing in the first place. I'm sure someone with enough vision could continue on from that, but here's a thought....... How about..... Stay with me here, I know some heads will explode when they really think about this........ What if, someone actually CAME UP WITH A NEW STORY! With NEW CHARACTERS! and NEW SETTINGS!? Dangerous I know, but I'm sure I'm not the only one sick of reboots and prequels and the same shit over and over and over and over again in different packages. Answers to a few old questions'd be nice, and if some NEW questions come up from that, well so be it. But I want to know a few things about the older parts of the series before bothering my brain for another 30 years with any new questions just yet thanks......

I know all you fanboys will hate me for this, but I am hoping (against hope) that there is no franchise plan. Just one great movie. Leaving us with more questions that will never be answered. Franchise, franchise, franchise, fuck franchise, that crap is for 12 year olds. Go watch the Avengers, not that there is anything wrong with that, for something like the Avengers.

A franchise isn't necessarily a bad thing if it's handled right. I just hope James Cameron doesn't have his cheese grater ready for the sequel.

"A franchise isn't necessarily a bad thing if it's handled right. I just hope James Cameron doesn't have his cheese grater ready for the sequel." In theory, you're right. But what franchise has been handled right? For some, the Alien franchise goes downhill with Aliens, for many with Alien 3, for nearly all with Alien Resurrection. Star Wars? Yeah, it got better with ESB, then, well, the less said. I think if a "franchise" is approached like some of the current crop of cable TV shows have been, eg Rome, Breaking Bad, then it could be excellent. It has a beginning, and it is has an end. Then it's over. Overall, LOTR was good. But if it is just to have a franchise, then it is like being forced to eat McDonald's every night. Franchise--I don't even like the word

I agree Star Wars gives perfect examples of good and bad. Empire=GOOD. Phantom Menace=BAD. Dark Empire and Old Republic = GOOD. Clone Wars = Meh. I think the difference is who is in control and how dedicated they are to the original vision of that universe. When Cameron did Aliens it seemed like he took more insperation from Starship Troopers than he did from Alien.

@wolf RS and the writers have been adamant from day one that this is not a prequel. By prequel they have said, 'the end of prometheus is not alien'. I know a lot of readers are still in denial, trying to find ways for the crashed alien ship to make its way from LV223 to LV426 in the movie and explain the SJ mystery. Wishing for it isn't going to make it happen. If you are waiting for that, prepare for disappointment. The film is still set in the same alien universe, its a big universe with lots of interesting things happening. What this film will attempt to shed light on is who are the SJs as a species and not who was that particular SJ from the Alien movie

Love Ashmodeans comment, LOL........I'd like to add a few additional comments.... 1)maybe the alien is human, and humans are alien 2)maybe they are starting the off-world colonies which makes them illegal when they get back to earth 3) Ripley was Rick Deckards Wife, until she found out he was an android....hence her hate relationship with Ash 4)Ridley Scott just decided that Deckard was a replicant 20 years after the film was made...hehehe..... 5) Ridley Scott decides that prometheus has nothing to do with the original film well after production and the story has been written..hmnnn... 6) Just wait and see, when this movie flops.....Ridley Scott will change his mind and decide that it is indeed a prequel, not to Alien...but Aliens.....and therefore a prequel to Alien is still required........

I hate closure in movies. It feels fake and forced. Nothing wraps up nicely with a bow on top. Nothing really ends. Why write films like that? To make people feel good? Fuck that. Challenge people. Force them. This is why I like a lot of Japanese Movies. They just kinda stop. No resolution because that is how life goes. Solid endings are a bigger myth then Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

@Shane Shane, that was a wonderful insightful comment you just made...I think you Nailed it !!! I really really appreciate what you said. [quote]I hate closure in movies. It feels fake and forced. Nothing wraps up nicely with a bow on top. Nothing really ends. Why write films like that? To make people feel good? Fuck that. Challenge people. Force them. This is why I like a lot of Japanese Movies. They just kinda stop. No resolution because that is how life goes. Solid endings are a bigger myth then Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.[/quote]

@Shane, Totally agree. How many things happen in real life that never get explained? How many things have you (the general, universal "you") gone through that have never been properly or fully resolved? The best fiction (sci-fi included) mirrors real life. Lindelof himself said during the WonderCon 2012 interview: "The Star Wars prequels are going to end with Darth Vader going, “Noooo!,” unfortunately. There’s an inevitability, in watching a prequel, where you’re like, “Okay, if the ending of this movie is just going to be the room that John Hurt walks into, that’s full of eggs, there’s nothing interesting in that because we know where it’s going to end. With really good stories, you don’t know where it’s going to end. So, this movie [Prometheus], hopefully, will contextualize the original Alien, so that when you watch it again, maybe you know a little bit more. But, you don’t fsck around with that movie. It has to stand on its own. It’s a classic. [b]If we’re fortunate enough to do a sequel to Prometheus, it will tangentialize even further away from the original Alien[/b]. " That said, I don't understand why a film--that features aliens and technology that function in ways that are [i]alien[/i] and unimaginable to us, no less--has to be put into a context that is readily understood.