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MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 3:49 AMI thought I would throw out a few facts about the David character and see if you all had any insight.
David seems to be forming into a critical character in the new movie, but there are a lot of questions raised, for example:
1. The name David is strongly associated with the David and Goliath story. If I am not mistaken, David is considered to be a descendant of god in the Jewish religion. The death of his descendants should be followed by the first coming of the Jewish Jesus, i.e., the revival of the David line favored by god.
2. The names of the androids in the films have been in alphabetical order, Ash, Bishop, Chance (?), and now David.
3. Ash was firmly a Wayland android and pointed to corporate corruption at the expense of humanity.
4. The androids after Ash were friendly and even anti-establishment, like Chance.
5. David appears friendly to humans. He warns them that the alien ship is heading to earth.
6. The scene where David stares at his finger tip and says big things begins with small things. There is a picture of a finger in the Wayland website with a Wayland logo blended into the finger print. There is also a scene in the trailer where he has green goo on his finger tips.
7. The statement from Wayland that David is the son he never had, except he doesn't have a sole.
8. The Wayland timeline shows a patent for activating memories of a dead brain for a limited time. The creation of the David model preceded the patent. The son comment combined with this makes me wonder.
9. The Wayland website shows that androids are nearly perfected at the time of the movie. So, humans have progressed to the point of creating humans and have ceded the role of god in creating life.
10. A little looser is the mural everyone was commented on. The mural looks like the one made by Michael Angelo in the Sistine chapel where god is giving Adam the gift of life. Michael Angelo also created the statue of David, which many consider to be a prototype of the perfect man.
11. Fassbender can be a tough guy in movies. He seems exceedingly humanistic in the trailers.
Conclusions? Thoughts?
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Frantz
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 5:43 AM1. you are right ..of course its difficult right now to find a connection with the plot ..there can be none
2. yes that was already noticed ... someone said that E is for Elizabeth ( is just a joke dont start strange theories )
3. He did just follow orders and the few informations he was able to gather ... oftern he did not have a clear idea of what to do ...he was a "real" android while Bishop , Call and David are a romantic and unrealistic ( to me ) view of an AI
4. It works well in Sci fi to play with androids with a free of will ... i find it ridicolous but is science fiction so who cares .. i think their "different" attitude is just to generate interest in the plot . After Ash and Hal the science fiction turned to friendly-very humans androids
5. David is a sort of a curious kid from what RS said
6. We thought it was green goo before a clearer image did show that little "stone"
7. Playng with the android sad because hes not human work everytime ...
8. David look and act completely the opposite of weyland .. so if hes weyland there must be an explaination about that ( brain regression to a childish state ).
9. The assumption that you become a God just because you make a human like AI is pretty poor ..but it work well with Weyland ego
10.Yes is an interesting tie ...i dont know is just casual , Its Michelangelo btw
11. Like Pearce he like to play very different characters
Tokyokid
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 6:50 AMFrantz, appreciate the reply. Most of the Prometheus and alien facts I picked up from others on this site, which has been great. I can't wait for the movie.
On your response to 9, why isn't creating AI having the powers of god. You don't need to ask Wayland. Any rate, my point is two fold: one, Wayland is the Titan Promethus or there will be a Frankenstein type revulsion to the film, which will add to the horror. Many people say Frankenstein was so scary for it's time was because of the science run amok angle. However, it was reanimating the dead that drove the revulsion because that is god's province, creating life. There appear to be many science creating life in this movie, so I thought it worth mentioning.
SJacko
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 7:13 AMLook out for the next TED talk, that Weyland fingerprint will be evident I'm sure.
( hinted at in the [i]Empire[/i] article I think ... ?
Sjacko
Zedwardson
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 10:39 AMYea, every time someone points out the naming conventions, I think E... Elizabeth.
Then I get a crazy idea that Elizabeth is a biological construct (AKA replicant) who does not know she anything but a normal human. Then I realized that has been done by R.S. in Bladerunner...
BigDave
MemberDeaconApr-13-2012 11:36 AMWith regards to God...
Well if Evolution and Big Bang is correct and indeed their is no such thing as any aliens that have ever visited Earth.
Then we are all just a product of natural gene manipulation from early organisms to what we are now.
If thats the case, then if we create new Organisms, or even synthetic lifeforms that have AI.
Then indeed we could say that now we have become Gods.
As for David i think he is the single biggest part of the Plot the only thing bigger than him is the actual Organisms in those Urns and the Jockey.
I think Vickers has some dark agenda, at first i thought she was another Andriod, but then now i wonder. Why would she get so jelious about David if she was another Andriod?
Ridley said there could be two Andriods, that may be there starts with one, but somehow we see some kind of Synthetic Life created?
Shaw i feel is just a Guinea Pig and while she will play the most important role amoungst the other crew who will just be cannon fodder. I think its Vickers and David who have the biggest outcome.
I would even go as far as to say that David in some form or another proves the undoing of the Space Jockey and Derelict Ship.... The Hero.
Vickers the rogue one with a agenda, that leaves open to do a Part 2 to the movie.
The Company has failed to bring back any sample of the Organism in other movies apart from Alien Resurection.... I think Vickers will play a large part in the company reaching its aim, just maybe by getting the Bi Former and not the Xeno from Alien etc.
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Frantz
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 12:33 PMI think that in every religion the God or Gods are the ones that have created the "everything" from nothing .
Manipulating genetic material is not being Gods but is only being very advanced .
Of course we are in science fiction and then we have "romantic" and self sentient androids ...so can fit in some ways that Weyland feel himself as a God .
goodkat
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 2:43 PMGods are not defined by something that can create everything from nothing... Many of our mythological gods lack the ability to do everything or create life, yet they are still considered gods.
If I were to agree with you Frantz it would be because humans unlike gods are real and possess no supernatural powers so therefore they could not be considered gods.
As a metaphor it's perfect because metaphors aren't literal, just like Gods.
Tokyokid
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 3:43 PMWe don't need to create everything to trespass on god's domain. Just look at the fervor over cloning and using pluripotent cells from embryos. There are ethical concerns, but the real problem is that we are playing god by manipulating life like god.
Tokyokid
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 3:45 PMBigdave, I agree, the David character is key to the movie. I am thinking he may not survive though since he is reporting the ship leaving for earth and then you only see Shaw, Vickers, and then the pilot crashing the Prometheus into the derelict.
BigDave
MemberDeaconApr-14-2012 11:49 AMBut in that scene we do not see teh Derelict Pilot or David.
I would not put it past David being on the Derelict at the end of the movie and unlseashing or having a part in why the Derelict on LV426 got there and the fate of the Pilot.
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-14-2012 11:51 AMI think I would be completely perplexed if that suit opened up and David got in or out of it. God this whole film would become a metaphor for "The Company" at that point..
Tokyokid
MemberOvomorphApr-16-2012 6:10 PMSaw another Weyland video that has the big thing from small beginnings tag line. The scene shows an android being "manufactured."
The video was in you tube, and it could have been from a fan.
Tokyokid
MemberOvomorphApr-16-2012 6:13 PMThe poster to YouTube was prometheusnews. On a second watching, it has a Fassbender voice over and looks like it is from RS.
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