Giger's Alien Mural, Link to Prometheus.

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Hey folks. I want to make it quick, since the idea is very simple. Currently we witness a lot of influence of older Giger works on PROMETHEUS. Hence, it would be wise to take a closer look to the original lifecycle mural he created back in 1978. I know it has been discussed on this forum before, but I don't think from this perspective: Although (maybe) not intended in '78, it holds much more info about the queenless, original lifecycle depicted in ALIEN. This information links to PROMETHEUS. First, see the picture: [img]http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o612/Nephilim-LV426/Prometheus/Giger_Alien_Life_Cycle.jpg[/img] It shows what we all know – the making of an egg, facehugger and eventually the chestburster. If we now take a look at the upper part, something curious comes to the eye – and something that has been observed before. A worm is wiggling it's way into (or from) an eyeball. Giger surely placed it there as a mocking image of God's eye in the pyramid (see the triangular shape), but it might have been an inspiration for the infection scene with Holloway in it. FURTHERMORE, and now the interesting part, can interpret this worm-thing as coming out of the woman's belly, the woman which is enclosing the scene with her whole body. In this case, the "eye" is the very opening of the belly this "worm" is protruding from. I am saying: The woman gives birth to an alien egg. Telling from the image, this is logical, as the "worm" can be seen at the underside of the eggs in the lower parts, too. Matching this with the footage from the PROMETHEUS trailers, I raise the following theory: After Holloway is infected by a small organism while researching, he has sex with Shaw, impregnating her. She then gives birth to a living alien egg. Notice here: The overall shape of the wiggling creature in the Medpod is similar to that of an alien egg (Oval "head", tentacle-like base) This alien egg is the prototype of a creature we meet in ALIEN. I'm not speculating on whether we meet the facehugger / chestburster of this alien in the finale or not. I want to resume the clues given: 1. Scott refers to a lot of Gigers original work (Temple, murals, alien hieroglyphs) 2. The mural image of Giger holds tempting similarities to scenes in the trailers. 3. The resemblance of the "Shaw Baby" and the "Alien Egg" That's it. I'm curious about your thoughts. Do you see the same links between the life cycle image, and the PROMETHEUS trailers? What do you see? Thanks for reading!

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nlpgApril 16, 2012

Okay I see but the statement is different. This theory says that Shaw gives birth to an egg, not a facehugger itself. Thank you though.

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CantSpaceJockTheRockApril 16, 2012

Or maybe this [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2448]Giger's Alien Lifecycle comes full circle[/url] You choose there's tons of them on this topic I'm sure

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BiomechanicApril 16, 2012

So the egg does not contain a facehugger?

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dopelgangerApril 16, 2012

Oh lord another Alien movie wanabe. People trying so hard and hoping that this is an Alien prequel. Make sure before you go see this movie you are wearing Alien blinders this way you are not disapointed.

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CantSpaceJockTheRockApril 16, 2012

I agree that's the point I'm making haha there have been so many duplicate posts i.e the two we just posted, I made mine having never seen yours but alas they're eerily similar lol. What I'm getting at is they all pretty much have the same concepts maybe subtle differing idea but with the new search everything should be being put on correct posts if at all possible.

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CantSpaceJockTheRockApril 16, 2012

Oh no another troll here to ruffle some feathers on a discussion board, imho id say just don't waste our time or yours. Watch a few trailers if you think it's not an "alien" movie. You might notice a thing or 2

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nlpgApril 16, 2012

jesus christ. It's not about who's first or who wrote something first. What I tried to make understandable is NOT the inner urge to express my hope that the alien will be present in the movie (which I actually hope will not), but the fact how Giger's original work seems to play a major role in the concept of PROMETHEUS. So regarding the search, fine. Maybe worth a check before. But I think it's questionable to claim to be the "originator" of some thought or idea, when this forum kind of proves that a lot of people have the same ideas without having read the other threads before. There's no reason in debating over that. Of course the egg contains a facehugger. Your post just didn't tie to the image details as much as mine does – I just can't find your specific observation on the "eye"-element or the worm being portrayed there three times. Maybe you have it somewhere there. But I'm not going to check every single post on this forum if somebody wrote that before, that would make no sense. Thanks for your comments though, except that of doppelganger, who seems to have misspelled his own name, and who obviously did not read my post because it was not about the craving to have a classic alien in PROMETHEUS.

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I agree with you cantspacejocktherock. It is evident that the SJ race knows of, knew, or conceived of the original ALIEN. There is a scene in the trailer (#3 I believe) where we clearly see the ALIEN bursting from a flailed chest. It almost looks JUST LIKE the scene where Dallas is grabbed (or confronted) by the ALIEN in the air ducts aboard the Nostromo. I have paused, replayed, zoomed in on.... whichever way possible to obtain a clearer image. The "mural" in that scene is EXACTLY like the starbeast we meet in ALIEN. It has a smooth, elongated, silvery/black toned head. It has 6 digits (almost the Vulcan welcome sign with the exception being that extra digit-thumb-on each hand) and is obviously "bursting" from a skeletal human "chest". It has been indicated that the SJ beings (the ship discovered in the temple) were on their way to Earth. They had obviously been there before (based upon the cave drawings). I believe that they chose Earth as a"testing ground" for their new genetically created bio-weapons (the ALIEN). In meeting primitave "man" they would be doing no harm to the Universe. In their view they had found "apes" (from our perspective) an rexceptional test subject. The face hugger is too perfectly designed to attach to a human face; what other conclusion can there be? They did not expect the "apes" to advance evolutionally and come seeking a "creator". Now man, himself, has put a kink into their plans. On top of that we "apes" have believed ourselves to be at the level of Gods since we have created artificial intelligence. Introducing an android to the prospect of biomechanical "Godhood" we have now unleashed our doom, as a race. I believe the key in Prometheus that leads to a crashed ALIEN vessel discovered at a later time by the crew of the Nostromo lies with David and the SJ experiment. Ok, my 2 cents have been posted........

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BigDaveApril 16, 2012

@dopelganger Ridley has said this movie started as a direct prequel he has since redone the script and then filmed a movie that would cover the orginal idea and tie in with Alien, while also covering a host of other things that can lead to a part 2 that does not have to cover the Xeno Franchise. I also think that Shaws baby is the Proto Xeno. Looking at that Mural it showed how the orginal Xeno life cycle was, and thats from Egg to Face Hugger on Host to Chest Burster. The 1978 version depicts what looks simular to the Space Jockey and maybe explains what happened to the Space Jockey, in maybe another Jockey had something to do with getting the one on Alien implanted with the Xeno. Now you and other have made that good observation about what looks like a Eye with a Worm in it.... and yes the Eggs have a Worm at the bottom. The body/eye however i beleave depicts the Derelict craft, it is maybe not a females body. As we see one side is a Leg the other a Arm. The Arm also has a Xeno Head. Now maybe the idea it shows a Female and thus represents Shaw and Holloway scene, is one way of looking at it. But remember back when this was done, there was no concept of Shaw or Holloway. Here is another way to look at it.... maybe the Derelict has one of two functions. 1) Somehow it creates the Eggs (remember no Queen existed in Alien) looking at the Orginal Script there was no Eggs but Capsules/Urns like the ones in Prometheus only more leathery. So does the Derelict change the contents of those Urns, or Urns themselves into Eggs? 2) Or again simular does the Derelict use the contents of those Urns to load into the Cannon and Fire them at a Planet, this could be worms that are fired that then somehow create the Eggs? As far as Shaw goes that looks like a Squid/Octopus and the orginal Script for Alien descibes the Face Hugger as such. How Shaw gets impregnated is the big question and the MONEY SHOT of the movie, i feel its the scene that Shaw said was horrifying and Ridley said was Embaracing and rival the Chest Burster Scene in Alien. If so... 1) Does a Human looking Holloway with that worm in his eye, impregnant Shaw? 2) Does a mutated Holloway latter on impregnate her against her wishes, i.e she would be in shock of seeing a Mutant Holloway. 3) Does some other Organism Impregnate her i.e the Tenticle scene where Shaw is hidding behind the Door, (could this indeed be mutated Holloway?) And does the Space Jockey having something to do with this scene?

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With regards to the movie and Alien, it will tie in with Alien. Ridley and co said the following. 1) We will see traces of Alien DNA in this movie. 2) There will be some links with Alien but it wont be directly just about Alien (by that i think it will look at the Derelict and Space Jockey but also in another context). 3) The last 12-8 minutes of the movie, will link with Alien. The above point he has mentioned a few times and each time added or changed how he worded it inc. a) The last 8 mins will be set on LV426 b) The fans of Alien will get their wish/be exicited at the end of the movie c) You will see Alien DNA for sure at the end of the movie. d) The end of the movie will explain the ties to Alien. 4) They said the movie is where the Mommy meets Daddy. so for me this movie will show us how the Xeno came to be, and will show a scene that would fit in with the Derelict in Alien and answer some questions that was asked about the Derelict/Cargo and Pilot. But while the events leading and the end of the movie may link to Alien, there is a lot of stuff in the movie prior to that, that can be explored in another movie. For Example if all Mamals came from Fish this movie would show the Xeno Fish and then explain how Xeno Man was created. But it would also show how the Xeno Fish creates other lifeforms.

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Nothing i've written has been posted.

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TONS of information (and ideas) trashed......

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jbsmit3@gmail.comApril 16, 2012

The ALIEN is present in this movie.... evidence is in the scene where we see an oriinal ALIEN mural..... It is bursting from a flailed chest. It has the elongated silvery/black head and 6 digits on each hand.

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nlpgApril 16, 2012

This is what I wanted to explain in the first place. Of course in 1978, there had not been the concept of PROMETHEUS or Shaw or Holloway. This is why the woman's figure may remain obscure. I was just saying, Scott might have gone back to that mural, taking the bits and pieces of it to create the actual story. The woman in this mural does not HAVE to be a human woman, because it is within the stylized Gigerverse. The elongated, alien-like features on the figure above may hint at the "mother" of the species, thus bearing their phenotypical appearance in parts. This is not about what the mural was formerly meant to portray, but what it might have become in mind of Lindelof and Scott.

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jbsmit3@gmail.comApril 16, 2012

Are we "apes" at the time the SJ race finds Earth? Perhaps we are planned as hosts to the ultimate experiment We must admit that the facehugger is perfectly designed to attach to the human face. Perhaps the SJ race was on its way to Earth to test this new experiment. Sometjhing happened to prevent that trip. Meanwhile the "apes" evolved and went on a search for their "creator". The "apes" brought along an artificial intelligence that took fown the Gods.

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jbsmit3@gmail.comApril 16, 2012

And became the eggs.

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allinambercladApril 16, 2012

@nlpg [.....and ALL of you who thought of this]: The idea is not without its appeal and maybe some basis? However, whatever hovers above Shaw, seems to have a little too much attitude about it to be in any way like an "egg" - you instinctively called it a, "creature", yourself. Having had her produce a live and kicking "creature" - it would seem to squander a whole lot of dramatic potential to have that creature go and turn into an egg in a corner. So then, obviously, it has to be the cause of one big ruckus before it turns into an egg: oh, fine - but all that had better be [i]special,[/i] because, personally, I'd find it very hard to respect a thing that would cause a big ruckus - then go and turn into an egg in a corner so it can get hit with a flamethrower at leisure. Plus, Scott and everyone involved knows we've seen these paintings - I'd hope he'd try a little bit harder to surprise us. But, we'll see.

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nlpgApril 16, 2012

There seems to be a problem because my comment went straight to trash, too. I'll recapitulate quickly: 1. It's not about what this mural was originally meant to be, but what Scott and Lindelof might have created out of these visuals for their story. So there's no need to discuss the impossibility of this concept based on the argument that in 1978, Giger did not know of Holloway. Yes, but in 2009, Scott knew of Giger's mural – and the woman, the womb, the worm, the eye. So he might have fashioned his story from that. 2. I think it is safe to say that the "Alien-DNA" quote tirelessly brought up is NOT to be taken literally. Scott meant, that this movie shares the same DNA as ALIEN in sense of style, background, universal things.

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nlpgApril 16, 2012

allinamberclad, yes that's what I thought too… strange lifecycle to reproduce with 2 stadiae of eggs. BUT maybe this is the whole deranged process, how the alien came to be in the first place. Maybe it's so simple that it wiggles out of shaw, only to retreat to a corner and breed that facehugger. remember of unspectacularly frightening the facehugger of ALIEN found his end. not creating much racket other that jumping at kane and then die in the medlab…

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@jbsmit3@gmail.com Happens to me, i guess it serves people who write to much right lol. There seems to be a timeout on these boards, when you dont post a reply after so long, it logs you out and any work you did would be gone. Your best typing what you want but before you hit that post button, copy everything you typed and then press post. If it does not apear, check at the bottom and you will see your not logged in, log in and then paste your post and then post it.

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BigDaveApril 16, 2012

@nlpg I get where your comming from, and indeed that Mural could be interpreted as a Females Legs open, and a Eye and a Worm in the Eye. Maybe Ridley had same idea? For sure i think the progenitor to the Xeno Organism that apears in Alien etc, is created or traces its routes directly to what ever has happend with Shaw and that Baby Squid. I also wonder looking at the Mural and knowing nothing about the movie apart from the Urns in this movie. That the Mural shows Derelict again that some how creates Eggs from those Urns or there contents, or Fires the contents of the Urns that then create Eggs.

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Gem]n[April 16, 2012

@nlpg... And then we got this thread that we've been discussing today ... a few hours before this post ... with similar findings ;) ... [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/3456]iSperm[/url] @Bug ... Damn I love the new layout for posts recent posts & Search ... nice one ...

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Oh offcourse if the above is the case... Then indeed the Xeno is created by the Jockey and maybe thats whats shown at the end of the movie. Which means what ever is happening to Shaw and the Crew is something not related to the Xeno and thus could form the basis of a new Franchise/Monster. But then what keeps comming back to me is how they said the movie is "where Mommy meets Daddy" Which means somehow maybe Shaw is connected with the creation of the Xeno, and thus the Derelict does not create Eggs.

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NecrofanApril 16, 2012

@nlpg, I liked your post. I read some of the other discussions and you have some original and good ideas that had not been discussed yet. I have had that very painting as my desktop for a couple of months now, and I had missed the worm in the eye. That pretty much seals the deal, as far as the life cycle goes, and he stays true to Giger's original idea. I still don't think RS ever meant for the Alien creature to considered a bug or to reproduce like an insect. Great post.

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Davefried81April 16, 2012

Awesome interpretation of the alien life cycle. I might be nuts(I know I am), but if you look on the 3rd level of the life cycle mural, all the way to the left. Does this not resemble the creature on the mural image inside of the temple? [img]http://cdn.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/66.jpg[/img]

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HephaestusApril 16, 2012

This has all been discussed already here: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/3456 As I said a FEW DAYS AGO in my post, if you look closely at the mural of the humanoid, and the Giger drawing from 1978, the hieroglyphics in the top left of the Giger drawing, the bottom two lines, are the same as those on the left of the humanoid figure. My post above has all of this discussed at length.

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