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MemberOvomorphApr-20-2012 6:40 PMIn Alien Ash an Ripley have this exchange:
Ripley: What was your special order?
Ash: You read it. I thought it was clear.
Ripley: What was it?
Ash: Bring back life form. Priority One. All other priorities rescinded.
Yet in Aliens Ripley never asks about this. All we ever hear is that the synthe- artificial person- malfunctioned and, well, those A-2s all ways were a bit twitchy anyhow. Why doesn't Ripley bring this up in the meeting with Wayland Ind. or with Burke?
And, when did Ash receive this message? Did he report back or was he sent out from earth with that mission?
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craigamore
MemberOvomorphApr-20-2012 7:00 PMIt's assumed she did bring all of it up in the meeting...by the time the audience does enter the meeting, they've been there for ours and gone over her story multiple times....the heart of the bit we do see concerns the threat posed by this hostile organism and Ripley's zealous fight to warn them all about how dangerous it is, what a total disaster it would be if one ever made it to earth.
The fact that Burke suggests "the synthe- artificial person- malfunctioned" suggests to the audience what the Company's position concerning that bit of Ripley's story is....what, if anything, that did happen, in their eyes, had nothing to do with Company guilt or involvement but was a malfunction of a synthetic out of their control....
And we have to remember, with a personality like Ripley's, there is no way she would have left that detail out of her report....it comes down to the timing of the audience's entrance into that meeting and the context of conversation in that point of the proceedings, which were at the end and had certainly exhausted every other part of her testimony but what was seen and that was Ripley's insistence upon the magnitude of the threat....
Ash and the Comapny's duplicity is not so much an omission as it is an off screen event supplemented by Burke's response to Ripley's emotional reaction and objection to Bishop....
That make sense?

dsjohnson84
MemberOvomorphApr-20-2012 11:06 PMRemember she does say that they were sent their on company orders... so it's pretty implied that, that conversation between her and ash were mentioned at some point.

arrgy
MemberOvomorphApr-22-2012 10:54 PMSimple..
J.C. chickened out. Probably the most important scene in Alien/Aliens should have been that scene. Yet that was so badly done, so badly written, so crappy in general its laughable.

abordoli
MemberOvomorphApr-22-2012 11:58 PMJ.C ain't no R.S. Too different styles. J.C. has done some good work and has been quite active which should speak for something. R.S. has strokes of masterpiece, but I wish he would have done more projects.

Guest
MemberOvomorphApr-23-2012 3:59 PMthat meeting in aliens when ripley said to company members of the board said that they were sent there on company orders i don't think they knew about it because Burke cover it up for some reason which i think he knew what happen , the reason why i say that is because of this new film now if you look at whats she was saying it looks to me that they were the closest to the planet & it would take months maybe years to send someone from earth to investigate, but they were sent there to find out why they haven't received word from the group that went there first but also to bring back the life form.
Now in aliens like any power hungry company they seem sacrifice people life's just to get what they want.to me it seems they sent those people there knowing that this life form was there on purpose i don't think it was just Burke i believe he was told to sign off on it as an escape goat if something went wrong,which did happen because the 70 family that were there were slaughtered in the name of power for a military weapon,but there far more intelligent species then they through because not even marines trained to fight harden soldiers didn't stand a chance against the xenomorphs.
with this film it will give the answers to the unanswered question where the xenomorph came from & where did the ship come from in alien.
i think with this film being made,i truly think they should do newts tale the story between alien & aliens, yes we know what happen to the colonies but you never saw what happen to the 70 family's , you only see in the special edition newt's mother & father go in the ship,then a few hour later come out with a face hugger on her father face that was it until the marines went to lb4 26 all the body's of the families were on the wall, newts tale should be made because it apart of the alien saga.

B1-66ER
MemberOvomorphApr-26-2012 3:00 PM[quote]Simple..
J.C. chickened out. Probably the most important scene in Alien/Aliens should have been that scene. Yet that was so badly done, so badly written, so crappy in general its laughable.
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Bullsh*t. James Cameron chickened out of nothing, Aliens is awesome and the character of Ripley in Alien is extremely 2-D by comparison to JC's evolution of her in #2. Granted Alien is a horror movie, a genre in which 2-D cardboard cutout characters are the norm but that makes for much less interesting dialogue e.g. (to Parker) "Why don't you just F*ck off" etc. In Alien there is no indication that Ripley will be the survivor, she's just as, if not more, lame than the rest of the crew (i prefer Parker personally). In Aliens you know she's a protagonist though, not to be underestimated (and not because of the events of the first movie either but because JC understands how to formulate good characters).
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