1ST TRUE DISAPPOINTMENT

Come on .... is a gentlemen reference to a friend ...they always praise each other ... and ....we love Aliens . Anyway that will not change a bit what Prometheus is .

I entirely agree shardy, but look at it this way...If that's the extent of the tie-in...we're both cryin' over spilt milk.......look on the bright side....There's so much more to 'Prometheus', obviously, and if that's all there is to fuss about, we have nothing to worry about....

Honestly I can't see where the problem is with a bit of flavour from the other movies. The power loader, the pulse rifles, the atmospheric processors and the correctional facilities add just a bit of human background, but there is no emphasis on them. A Queen, a digitigrade alien or a bloody Newborn, on the other hand, would be disappointing, but we are not going to see them. (I hope)

I hear you Shardy, But it is what it is... Like it or not, if Ridley Scott ever tried to get into a pissing war with Fox and James Cameron, he would literally have his ass handed to him while he was thrown backwards through the board room door. Cameron is now a self-made multi-BILLIONAIRE, and he has literally made BILLIONS for Fox... Fluckkk...AVATAR alone has surpassed more than 2 BILLION GROSS... and AVATAR 2 is EXPECTED to rake in even more BILLIONS! Scott has absolutely no choice but to keep his mouth shut and tow the line. Again, Im not saying I like that... But it is what it is.

Spilt milk is what broke Aerosmith up during the late seventies. Its some powerful s**t.

First Rdiley praised Avatar ...then Cameron did say the best about Ridley and the anticipation for Prometheus .... now they pay an homage to aliens and as Noxword say its just "background " . It not a war ..its the exact opposite . Its love :pppp

Prometheus should tie into the Alien Universe. "Building Better Worlds" was from Aliens as well (directors cut). It's all good!

LOL Frantz Definitely is pure love, like this: [img]http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x368/bipolarestancia/tumblr_ktu4iivc5i1qasu84o1_500.jpg[/img]

Hahahahaha You could almost put together a timeline that would do nothing but chronicle the evolution of Lucas' neck waddle. But on a more serious note... Those two literally bent Harrison Ford over a pinball machine in that Crystal Skunk movie !! A pinball machine I tellz yah !! : P

@Shambhala true true, but in our case its 2 geunuses, in THAT case, its a god and an idiot......... by idiot i mean george lucas.... i [i]despise[/i] him!!! >:(

i COMPLETELY agree you CanadaPhil on how FOX is literally up Cameron's arse in regards to what he's done for the studio profit-wise ugh....

Shardy Aliens bashing again (sigh) - Im starting to think it's an age thing. Allot of the older fans I think, had polarized their scifi taste by the time Aliens was released. Aliens is cannon, and without it we would not be here having this conversation and, Prometheus would not exist. There is nothing "moronic" about pulse rifles or power loaders. I actually hope they DO NOT feature in this movie, but if you cant see the amazing industrial and conceptual design that was applied to these props, then you have no imagination.

It's just digital images on a marketing website. What makes anyone think they'll see a power-loader, or any other "Aliens" accoutrements in the movie?

I just can't get myself so worked up about one minor detail of a movie. Aliens is canon, so what? It's been canon for going on three decades. Why is [i]not[/i] changing that fact so shocking/upsetting to anyone?

@Enderwiggin: i'm going to put this in terms that you (possibly) can understand, although (not likely), given your defensive posturing for all things " Aliens " i saw "Aliens" first run in the theater back in 1986, i was super-excited to see what cool new events would unfold after seeing it the first time, i thought it was a decent take on the events that ALIEN left on, however, while waiting in line for the second showing (i saw it back-to-back on opening day) the realization of what a cheap carbon copy of ALIEN it turned out to be began to set in, in an all too palpable way "Aliens" has not aged well at all, Spike TV aired it a little while back, and i decided to re-watch it for nostalgia sake, to see if my stance on such a predicable film could be challenged sadly, after about half way thru the film, i found myself wanting to change the channel, and that is what i did if you want to discuss what you feel is a another "canon", then PLEASE, go do that, start your own thread praising that shit if you are so bored with my bashing, then way even bother acknowledging this thread...? speaking of all things moronic - - i'd say you just validated my point

Okay... who hasn't been paying attention? This doesn't take place THAT far in the future. Which means that some "phaser" or other type of weapon definitely wouldn't make sense. That, and if anybody thinks FOX is in charge here ... they aren't living in the real world. And finally, anything LESS than an "R" rating would hurt sales in this case. This was NEVER meant to be a kiddie flick . From the very start Ridley had every intention to make this a very graphic and mature story. Anything less than an "R" rating would diminish that exponentially. Regards from sanity, David 7

powerloaders are very cool . cheers

[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/weyland_stormrifle.png[/img] OK, just one relatively minor clarification... Its actually NOT the "Pulse" rifle from Aliens but something a little different, the "STORM". However, I do think this thing is going to figure into the plot somehow. I have mentioned this a couple times in various threads going back sometime now. Its like the literally pack the timeline full of the development of this thing with a couple notations that really stand out for me.... Among the intial patent development, they go on to development new special Ammo that can function in [b]ANY atmosphere[/b] including [b]Complete VACUUM[/b] conditions. I think this alone is VERY TELLING and almost telegraphing something that will happen in Prometheus. They also develop new tracking and sighting instruments that can acquire and TRACK targets over great ranges and make completely automated adustments on the fly! THE CURE FOR CANCER is like mentioned ONCE in the timeline! Yet this new weapon and all its tweeks and auxilliary attachements gets the nod 6 or 7 times in the Weyland Timline. There HAS to be a reason for this that is directly RELATED to Prometheus IMO.

@CandaPhil: to me, that looks looks like a pulse rifle with a few things added to it, to make it look less compact, but overall, that is definitely a nod to all things Cameron the sidearms that are featured in PROMETHEUS look very sleek, they also emit some kind of blue / gas-like smoke when the gun is discharged you can see / hear it more clearly in the latest featurette

@ Shardy I am ABSOLUTELY not getting into an Alien vs Aliens debate, I grew weary of that a long time ago - surprised you haven't. I also am not going to start trowing insults. It just seems to me that all the things you criticize in Aliens are the things that set it apart from the first film. Meaning you chastise it for being similar and being original at the same time. Makes no sense. The original point I was trying to make is regarding your reference to the "moronic" power loader. That sir, is an icon of science fiction and will be remembered with the same affection as Maschinenmensch and Robbie the Robot. And you would do well to remember it.

I don't think "Aliens" has aged nearly as well as the original.....but this isn't a Cameron film, and we won't have to suffer through any stereotypical "grunt" dialog or cringeworthy "get away from her, you bitch" crowd-pleasing anthropomorphisms. Relax, it's gonna be OK. At least on the blu-ray, this movie is going to be awesome in [i]every[/i] way. if it isn't, please feel free to tear me a new one after you've seen it.

Further... just somemore info just as an fyi... The "Storm" clearly seems to be a movie mockup based on an old Thompson SMG (which in case you were not aware is exactly how they created the PULSE rifle for Aliens). However, some obvious differences on first glance are... The "Storm" retains the original FULL LENGTH of the Thompson barrel. (The Aliens Pulse barrel is cut off right after the grenade launcher) The "Storm" also has the automated targeted sight mounted on it. This device alone receives a couple of notations in Weylands timeline. The Aliens Pulse rifle had NO special tracking of any kind and NO automated sight. Just a simple old style iron sight. Again, I just think there are too many mentions of what would seem to be a trivial piece of gear in the Prometheus Weyland timeline.

@Enderwiggin: you clearly, clearly, CLEARLY don't see the forest thru the trees in regards to what i so obviously in plain view of most of us in regards to what " Aliens " is to ALIEN you stated in your initial post on this thread that: "Aliens is cannon, and without it we would not be here having this conversation and, Prometheus would not exist." like...seriously...?!? again, since you are bored with my " Aliens " bashing, then why bother with me, or my opnions...? understand...?

@artyoh: agreed. 100%

@shardy you sound like a whiney 6 year old girl. Aliens was not a carbon copy of Alien. If it were we'd have more people creeping down corridors getting picked off one by one, ya know, like Alien 3. Aliens was and is an action film. fecking get over it

Wow...hostile in here. Personally, I like Aliens but it is by no means a perfect film. That's not the issue here though. The power loader and pulse rifle are icons of science fiction, regardless of what movie they came from, or if you liked it or not. They were awesome ideas!

@colonelangus: with a screen name like that, you are the last person to be doling out what you feel is mature behavior

@colonelangus.......agrue the merits of your disagreement....you're the one who's coming off whiney....go after the idea, not the member...if you can't do that, then don't bother posting Same goes for everyone else... @colonelangus.....'Aliens' [i][b]IS[/b][/i] a total plot rip from the first film.....travelers in space (marines this time) investigate a deserted complex (the derelict the 1st time), only to find themselves attacked by the alien species, to be unable to escape them, have to improvise a means to defend themselves, plan to use a shuttle for escape (Narcissus the 1st time, drop ship the 2nd), confront the alien (in this case, the queen), escape the exploding atmospheric processor (or Nostromo the 1st time), escape by the skin of their teeth only to have the alien hitch a ride (this time, the queen), have a battle to the death on board the escape vessel and blow (in both cases) the alien out the airlock (which, is ridiculous and unrealistic in the 2nd, because who really believes Ripley would have the strength to pull herself out of an open airlock and do so with no oxygen to breathe, because.....oh, wait.....the vacuum of space would have instantaneously depressurized the Sulaco's loading bay and completely removed every last molecule of air....KILLING EVERYONE except Bishop)......so there.....there's that.

@craigamore: laying it down with a correct synopsis...! i did that a while back, but some folks on here just can't handle the obvious facts. and blame age / or general stupidity to defend their loves of all things "Cameron / Aliens" (yaaaaaaawn) in any case, i hope your initial assessment of the rifle / p-loader are correct, and the only time we will see them is in the brief viral campaign, and nothing else thanx for havin' my back craigamore!

@artyoh I think you have nailed this. @shardy I can see where you might be coming from. Personally, I have always appreciated Aliens and admired and respected Cameron's undoubted innovations - if only from a stylistic point of view: a follow-up to Alien could easily have been formulaic garbage in someone else's hand: and it was [i]not.[/i] Yet, for me, Aliens has always been something very much, "other" - and far removed from what Alien was really about - but, most significantly, it set us down a road of absolute redundancy from what Alien actually was, that ended with the xenomorph in Disneyland? That's not Cameron's no anyone's, "fault", except The Man/Fox - (if it a matter of "fault", not Commerce, at all)- but that doesn't stop it jarring with me and I don't [i]need[/i] or [i]want[/i] to see close associations with it in Prometheus for those reasons. That's just a matter of taste, now - it's canon: The End. That said: if there are associations I doubt they will be [i]close[/i] - I think others may have called it correctly and this is either some Fox tie-in stuff or professional acknowledgement between Directors to join hands across the Works - which is actually really nice. Furthermore, if they [i]are[/i] used, Ridley will do something entirely different with them. You obviously know that, you just seem to be raising your hand and expressing your discomfort with the association and the reason for it while also saying that you'll set it aside. Fair enough - I don't see any foul. Personally, all I'm going to do is put these interesting things to the back of my mind unless they play a significant part in the Story, which I doubt.

Any time shardy..I call 'em as I see 'em...

@allinamberclad: thank you for at least being objective about the entire point of this thread. i will agree, and agree to disagree with some of your opinions @craigamore: same here, man...same here

Feel the love.... I am of the age demographic to see Alien in theatres at time of release when I was 13. Alien is no doubt my favourite film of all time, closely followed by Blade Runner and 2001. I don't dislike Aliens...its just a different style of film from a different style of director. If you don't like Aliens....don't self inflict any unnecessary pain or heartache by watching it. Simple really..!! Lets all move on and respect each others opinions. At least we are debating this franchise of film classics, rather than considering if The Notebook was better than The Vow.....(small bit of sick in my throat right now)

Well, I suppose RS has the right to copy himself, but still, as far as templates go, this one seems pretty true to form: Humanity gets a message, which they follow to a deserted place, which they enter only to get their butts kicked, so they retreat to their ship to come up with a plan or at least understand what just happened, but the counterforce is growing and doing its thing so they have to act, there is fight, a big explosion - a final denouement, probably a giant fight with some alien-type thing after the explosion. no?

First of its Ridley Scott is not under control of Fox, he has 2 films in the National Film Registry and its insane, totally insane and retarded to beleive that there is a fox executive dick in hand slapping Ridley in the face barking "NO MAKE IT MORE LIKE ALIENS BITCH" Obviously if there is a Power Loader or a Pulse rifle type weapon it is an Omage out of respect to James Cameron, we do know Ridley is NOT a fan of what James did to the Alien, yes Aliens in of it self is a good movie and I love it, but it did ruin the Alien concept. Ergo NO Queen alien, NO Queen alien making face hugger, NO BIG ANTS will be in Prometheus, why anyone would cry over somthing as awesome as the Power Load is beyond me, if I went to work and got to use that thing Id shit my self, obiously these are not plot items, there is not going to be a power loader battle dont be stupid and this is NOT an Alien Prequal in the sense that the movie leads into the movie Alien, but obviously its the same universe, how come people dont understand this yet ? Everyone is gonna hate this movie anyway because they hare hyping it in their minds too much, its probbaly not going to change society

Every Alien movie since the original has had the same skeletal format, Ridley said he is being original in this one and trying to tell a story about "everything"

If you really think about it......all the great movies were made a long, long time ago. Everything we experience now is "sampling/canibalizing" from earlier ideas. There is no room left for original thought. Movie-making is no different than how a civilization grows.....On the backs of those that came before. So look at Prometheus this way......We get to go back and play again in that fun "playground".....whatever it is you think that was. There are no wrong answers.

@abordoli: you make some valid points

@abordoli "Movie-making is no different than how a civilization grows.....On the backs of those that came before." Well, [url=http://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/]everthing is a remix.[/url] But I do disagree with the idea that this is a new phenomenon. The more I get into older films, the more I realize they are just as derivative and cannibalistic as anything created today. If you look back to even the earliest days of Hollywood, adaptations, remakes and sequels were already the rule rather than the exception. There may be no such thing as truly original thought.

I agree "CP", I Just my opinion but I like it !