Will prometheus "ruin" or "enhance" Alien?

Well.. Alien, in my opinion couldent be ruined. It already is. They took a great and immensly mysterious concept worked out by Shusett, Bannon, Ridley and of course Giger, and cashed in on hopeless sequels and spinoffs. Thats probably part off the desision to make a prequel instead of a another stupid sequel. To bring back some of the mystery and not at least the HORROR. Maybe a bit hard to understand for the numbed SAW generation, but Alien is a HORROR movie, all capitals. Electricity use probably skyrocketed back in 79 because of all the people sleeping with lights on ;) myself included. Alien was the R rated, XXX version of Star Wars. Theres only room for improvement here. Now they have the chance to null out the stupid mistakes of ressurection and AvP.

I'm an utter fan of the first Alien, I really think the sequels dumbed down everything about the intelligence and mystery of Alien. But, I've been praying for something of the same level of artistry for thirty years, and here we are with Prometheus, on some levels it's ticking the boxes.. . . but I have been imaging what the Space Jockey and it's home really is for so long my imaginings are not going to be the same as Prometheus's visuals. For starters I didn't envisage the Ship to be upright like a horseshoe nor was I expecting the Engineer to be humanoid.. . . but from what I have seen it will make up for what should of been explored in the first place, before Cameron turned the Alien franchise into a no-brainer actioner.

Definitely on it, haydn!

I hope they expand more on the sexual overtones and sexuality of the aliens. One of the most horrifying things about Alien for me was the idea that the organisms natural mating process is essentially rape. No courting whatsoever. I imagine the chestburster could inherit other reproductive instincts from it's father (Kane) and that is how we get the scene with the alien and Lambert. It would be horrifically funny to think that the alien was frustratingly trying to mate with with crew to no avail. oops, broke another one.

Who could answer that until they've seen it?

I can't.

While PROMETHEUS looks to be giving us an interesting (if convoluted), more expansive backdrop to the much smaller, contained ALIEN movie...the only thing that could potentially spoil the mysterious atmospere of ALIEN for me by association, is just how the whole 'Spacejockey suit' issue is handled. Ridley's recent comments implying that the original 'derelict'/'Spacejockey' was perhaps a million years old still helps me ratain the impression that the 'Spacejockey' was the bone-like, skeletal remains of whatever 'creature' was seated there. It certainly LOOKS like that, as opposed to a desiccated or withered 'spacesuit' of some sort. So even if the 'Spacejockey'(s?) shown strapped into position in PROMETHEUS are indeed the 'big bald blue guys'...then I just hope the 'suit' ends up having a much longer 'snorkel'-attachment than we saw in the trailer, so that things match up far better with the original look. And those black 'eyepieces' on the 'helmet' are a little suspect too, compared to how the sunken eyesockets of the 'skull'-like original looked too. Having said that, we know that there's been quite a few CGI alterations to the trailer footage already, and I guess I can always convince myself that the 'spacesuit' designs have been tweaked over the millennia by their creators, if not...

I'm looking forward to the expansive (if possibly convoluted) backdrop that PROMETHEUS will give to the smaller, contained ALIEN movie...but the only thing that could adversely affect the mysterious atmosphere of ALIEN for me will be how the Spacejockey 'suit' is handled. Ridley's recent comments impy that the 'derelict'/'Spacejockey' seen originally could have been a million years old or so...and thanks to that, I still retain the impression that the 'Spacejockey' was the bone-like, skeletal remains of some large 'creature' found seated, rather than a desiccated or withered 'spacesuit'...as it certainly LOOKS like that. So even if it's a 'spacesuit' that the 'big bald blue guys' end up wearing in whatever 'derelict(s?)' we see now, I'm just hoping that it ends up looking more similar to the design we saw originally, as the trailer version looks very different. So I'm hoping a longer 'snorkel'-like attachment is going to be featured for one thing. And those black 'eye-pieces' seen on the 'helmet' in the trailers are a bit suspect too, compared to the sunken 'eye-sockets' of the original... However, we already know that there's been a few CGI changes to the footage seen in the trailers, so I'll reserve judgement for the time being...and I guess the 'spacesuits' could have been refined and tweaked by their creators over the millennia, to explain the discrepancies if not...

Cervantes.....that was a skeleton, you know it, I know it, everyone who has seen it knows it. The only reason I'm giving Ridley's recent comments on this subject a pass is because he's Ridley Scott. I'll wait and see what he's talking about. I don't like it, but I'll give him a chance.

@ [b]Forever War -[/b] fingers crossed it works out satisfactorily for us!

Neither! I predict It will complement it ! Maybe even surpass it as a Science Fiction Masterpiece. I also believe it will do what most perceive as the Near Impossible and break down a ridiculous and Political Hollywood Barrier or Wall which has been standing for almost 125 years and which represents that establishments complete disdain as well as mistreatment, misrepresentation, ignorance and disregard, for the very value of the entire science fiction genre, and become the worlds first Full Length Science Fiction Feature Motion Picture to win the Oscars for Both best Direction and for the first time ever, Best Picture.

Spartacus...I hadn't gone that far on it , but those are nice thoughts. Let me add one thing- It is UNF%@KINGIMAGINABLE to me that an artist such as Ridley Scott's caliber of professionalism would so blatantly violate continuity he himself established. BUT...I'll wait and see. Show me the movie!

Well the movie is going to upset a few people thats for sure, its going to hard to please everyone because each of us would actually have our own ideas of how we would have wanted the mystrey behind the Xeno, Jockey and Derelict to be told. I guess we have to view the movie as its own seperate peice of work, if the plot to me does not fit in or work well with the orginal Alien Franchise etc. But taken away from that the movie itself is well done (i.e if this was not based on Alien universe, the Blue Guys was not Jockeys, there is not link or mention or nothing to do with Xenos or the Jockeys). Then i think we have to respect that, if on its own it becomes a good movie. Ridley had hinted a long long long time ago that the Jockey was a Space Suit, its not something that just cropped up out of the Blue. He hinted that the Derelict was carrying a Cargo of Eggs as some kind of Bio Weapon and there could have been a conflict between two waring parties. so he said recently it could be 1 Million years old? Mankind is many thousands of years old. Stargate was not set thousands of years ago but the Pyramids and basis behind the plot was. My saying what he said, does not mean that the Derelict had been crashed on LV426 for Millions of years, if it was then what about these. 1) Would a Signal be able to sustain itself for Millions of years? 2) Would the Eggs and its Blue Mist survive for Millions of years? 3) Surely the powerfull and advanced Space Jockeys, would have maybe been around on LV426 Millions of years ago aswell, or certainly started to move on to LV223 after knowing about the Derelict on LV426. Why leave it there if its a threat, and if it was off to Earth why wait around Millions of years for us to come to them. I would suspect that maybe the Derelict landed on LV426 thousands of years ago, maybe at the time of the last vistit to our planet by their race, after their last vistit something went really wrong on LV223/LV426 that nearly killed off all the Engineer race.

If the SJ suit is biomechanical it could rot and decay like any other living thing. I never thought the thing in the chair was a skeleton per se simply because of the way parts of it look. I just thought it was a rotted, dried-out corpse with an exoskeleton.

It's my only BONE of MASSIVE contention...I need a logical, reasonable, rational, practical explanation....I haven't seen it yet, so I'll wait. Pissed as hell, but I'll wait.

As Ebert would say, 'It's not what a movie is about, it's how it is about it.' Alien isn't about the mystery of Space Jockey or anything else to me, it's about how it executes it's plot elements. That's why I really don't care about Prometheus spoilers. Knowing the story is not the same as seeing the story, especially with someone like Scott's directorial ability. Most directors suck ass at visuals, or uninspired at best, so the plot is all they have going for them.

I agree the Space Jockey did look like a skeleton rather than a suit. I am sure when the DVD comes that Ridley will discusss what the idea behind the Jockey was way back in 1979 and maybe he would then come out and say orginally it was a fossil of some creature, that they thought would be better to make a story that it was a Space Suit instead. Dont forget that the Orginal Alien looked nothing like the Xeno, the Face Hugger was described and drawn as a Octopus. The Xeno had 6 legs and 4 tenticles. If you look at Gigers work on the Xeno Cycle they humaniods in the suit who play a large part in the cycle are indeed more like the Space Jockey as shown in this movie. [img]http://www.shadowlocked.com/images/stories/pics/alien_giger/0_hr_giger_alienhieroglyphics.jpg[/img] or would you rather had prefered... [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vwL0oE_XXx8/TeFURCgDRHI/AAAAAAAAGtc/1IV_q7bHy18/s1600/Gonzo+close-up+foil.jpg[/img] Jokes aside i have seen the comics two Space Jockeys as a actual Elephant like Race and they dont look that good. I am sure Ridley will clear all things up after this movie is out but looking at the 3 concept arts being Humaniod (inc 2 in a suit) then we get the actual skeletal Jockey in Alien and how since and now that Ridley has said its a guy in a space suit, we will find out if that was the idea all along since 1979. The Xeno

In Japan they are fully about "How its done" so much so a Japanese trailer will some times show your entire plot of a movie because people just want to see how it was executed The "Suit" the space jockey wears is probably made of some bone compound the entire ship is organic, its not just designed to look like organic material it is organic, but every cell is used in a twisted machine designe as opposed to be a natural process. If you actually watch alien again it is a skeleton but the bones are fused together and the hole in the chest is pretty huge it could fit a person in pretty easly. Im sure we all had our ideas of what it was which is fine, but you cant complain if what it becomes isn't what you want it to be its not your movie or design or concept. If Ridley scott does make a terrible movie after all the hype it will be funny though in a very depressing way

The best way i can describe it is look at other Bio Organisms. Consider a Tortoise Shell, or a Snails Shell. Its like a Suit but one thats part of the Organism. The Shell may look like its something the creature lives in or part of it, but the Shell is still Bio Organic. If you take a Snails Shell when its on a live Snail or many other creatures that have shells when they are alive and then compare what that shell looks like many many years after the creature that was inside has died, and rotted away to nothing. The shells no long have that organic look, they do not look as vibrant or alive. Look at a Tree or Colourfull plant when its alive, it has a rubbery feel to it, but when its long dead, its colour changes its texture becomes dry like fossiled. And i think thats pretty much how Ridley will go on to describe why the Space Jockey in Alien looked that way. The Derelict, the Chair and the Suit are Bio Mechanical and can fuse together to become one, just as a Snail does with its shell.

Thank you BB for that..I'm actually calming down here..I owe ya....the check is in the mail