Not a good idea...
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MemberOvomorphMay 02, 20122061 Views36 RepliesNot a good idea to bring in a foreign article inside the only ship that can take you home. After seeing the clip and stills where the helmet or head of the engineer is inspected (and probably explodes in some fashion), it seems that they may have made a mistake in bringing that thing inside the Prometheus. It would have been better to assemble a peripheral unit to handle those kinds of tasks it would seem. Like a decontamination trailer outside the ship for example. Pure speculation of course. BTW, it is funny how R.S. says the movie deals with true things of something that MAY be true (paraphrasing); essentially he is negating his own statement...
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allinambercladMay 02, 2012
Yep.
Based on the trailers - and apart from putting on helmets for, what, 5 whole minutes - it doesn't look like hardly a consideration is given to self-preservation and decontamination from the first second they open their eyes.
I don't know why they even bother put on those handsome suits, they may as well run through that wasteland naked.
I have just rolled with it.

BiomechanicMay 02, 2012
XenophobiaMay 02, 2012
CHEEEE WIZ!! With that attitude we'll never go to Mars. Yeah send a bunch of fancy remote control go carts and see what we find under a rock. Has it occurred to you people that the Med/Lab section of the ship could be self contained, I'm sure they will have some kind of decon protocols in effect but remember Alien that didn't stop Ash from letting Kane inside the Nostromo.

NewtellaMay 02, 2012
All hype aside, I may give this movie a pass if it's mainly an 'alien as virus' or 'the alien inside of us' meme.
Also, I'm all for films that take on religious fundamentalism but if Prometheus's revealed premise is that humanity is just some cruel, bioengineered joke, then I'll _really_ pass on this movie.
I appreciate a good horror film but not "gorn." I love a well-done space thriller, but not at the expense of crushing all of humanity's spiritual hopes.
It's one thing to leave the theater exhilerated after a good healthy scare and totally another to leave the theater completely drained of hope.
I hope 'Prometheus' ends on a hopeful note. Otherwise, I admit to being too scared to see it, as much as I'm curious about it. Sigh.
artyohMay 02, 2012
Xenophobia, in all honesty, that aspect of this movie is complete BS......just as it was BS for Kane to stick his face where it didn't belong and BS that they didn't freeze him after Ash allowed them back on the Nostromo.
At the very least, you'd send the android in alone first, and [i]no one[/i] would be foolish enough to take off their helmet, even after the android checked every last square inch of the place.
darthmongoMay 02, 2012
To quote Ripley, "(They) also forgot the Science Division's basic quarantine law."
GrindolfMay 02, 2012
@Darthmongo, obviously the Prometheus incident is WHY...we now have a Science Division Basic Quarantine law , before it was just a Science Division Basic Quarantine guidline

OutlanderMay 02, 2012
@darthmongo
Maybe this mission is the reason the Science Division created the quarantine law.
artyohMay 02, 2012
No, you wouldn't need a catastrophe to follow such protocols. Simple, basic prudence would dictate a great number of precautions. In the case of alien biological materials, the Apollo quarantine protocols would pale in comparison.
GrindolfMay 02, 2012
How about...none of this is real, and the movie would be boring if it was a bunch of toasters with legs with vagina snakes bouncing off them...actually that would be pretty funny
paulrMay 02, 2012
@Newt79...
What is a "spiritual hope?"
Whatever it is, I don't have any, and don't need any. While finding out that humans weren't "created" by some "spiritual" being (whether God or Allah or a Star Trek Amorphous Being) may drain you of hope, it has no effect on me given that I no longer believe in things of which there is no evidence for. What does drain me of hope is encountering other humans who can find no reason to "hope" without the idea that we were created by some spiritual being. I take joy and awe in the universe around me, in reality.
That said- I think the idea of we being bioengineered pretty silly, too. We don't have to have been engineered. Evolution works well enough without any Space Jockey input, thank you very much.
I apologize for Off Topic Ranting, everyone. Ahem.
*steps off soapbox*





SpartacusMay 02, 2012
[quote]Couldn't the entire mission have been done by robots?[/quote]
wow, it never occured to me...once again...brilliant.

NewtellaMay 02, 2012
I'm hoping Prometheus is not a completely nihilistic exercise. A horror movie that's completely draining in that way just doesn't sound fun to me. So I [i]am[/i] hoping I'm wrong.

SaintsSinphonyMay 02, 2012
I've kind of thought the bringing of some alien alive or dead life form on a ship is a bad idea and probably wouldn't go down in an actual scientific mission.
Also, I thought that sending a bunch of Davids would be a good idea but not a good movie. If I was a rich dude like Weyland I'd send my group of robots instead of humans. Like why didn't they send a bunch of Ash robots in ALIEN? It makes sense but not good movie making. Same as following protocol for contamination on a space mission would be a boring movie.
Only dumb reckless abandon allows us to have a good movie. If there was no recklessness we would have movies like that show called "how things work" it's like factories every episode. They should have called it my "$hitty job"
beyondthebloodplainMay 02, 2012
Why don't they take care? They're preoccupied!
Here's what they're all thinking:
Shaw: "we're invited, we're invited!"
Holloway: "I'm gonna rock the grad lounge when I get back!"
Vickers: "I recall a spider's web, and a pregnant spider, and one day..."
Janek: "This thing handles better than the ore hauler I've been driving"
Milburn: "I'm so smart"
Fifield: "Don't kill anyone. Don't kill anyone. Don't kill anyone"
David8: "Trololololo"
That's why they don't pay as much attention as they should.
sukkalMay 02, 2012
offtopic
@paulr
I am also an agnostic (if not an atheist), but I'm able to see the word "spiritual" in the context that @Newt79 has used it as not requiring a [url=http://www.venganza.org/][b]FSM[/b][/url] icon to go along with it.
S/he has since commented further: [i]“I'm hoping Prometheus is not a completely nihilistic exercise.”[/i]
I couldn't agree more.
But, I've recently acquired the Alien Anthology Blu-Ray “extravaganza” and am watching all of the films and the COUNTLESS hours of bonus blah-blah and I’m quite hopeful that Prometheus will be multi-layered and complex. And, that it may be able through its ideas to shift the dialogue (or non-dialogue) away from more black and white terms like theism vs. deism vs. agnosticism vs. atheism to simply talking about "hope for humanity." That invariably involves something here or there about "human spirit" and there's the 'spirit' again.
I'd have more respect for both adamant religious folks and die-hard atheists if the two groups could have civilized conversations with each other. If anyone has that link to that video, please share. ;•)
I don't think the film will be commercially viable if it is utterly nihilistic. I'm counting on at least one feisty human and a cat or so to make it through. Maybe a feisty human and a robot...
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silicaMay 02, 2012
The kind of people who would be willing to sleep for two years and go to a place where rescue is impossible and visit a being that could very well pose a danger....those kinds of people are "risk takers." They may be willing to take chances that to you and I might seem foolhardy. With the greatest risk comes the greatest rewards.
That said, I can't imagine a biologist anywhere who would go right up to a creature they could potentially study, or even put their limbs in its vicinity. So the idea of Milburn doing that does seem implausible. Ugh.

40mercuryMay 02, 2012
It is the spirit of adventure, it's human nature right? The opprotunity of a life time for the Prometheus crew. I guess some people would rather watch robots ride the rides at Disneyland.........
GuestMay 02, 2012
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@ sakkal & paulr
Thanks, sakkal. I really wasn't trying to get into any religious debate. I was just hoping that 'Prometheus' wouldn't end up being the ultimate dispiriting horror film where by the end the audience just feels hopeless & spent (as in, "I spent over $10 to feel this way?"). Ideally you'd like to feel "Wow! What amazing thrill ride!" What made the best of the Alien movies worth watching was having at least one sympathetic being to root for to survive their crucible of terror.
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@40mercury: I'm with you. If it's just a film about robots, most people can't get too emotionally invested in it. I think that's partially why Speilberg's A.I. didn't do so well, brilliant as it is. You were supposed to feel more for the machines than the humans and that's a tall order for the average person (I'm including myself here).

NewtellaMay 02, 2012
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@sukkal & @paulr
Yes thanks, sukkal, you clarified my point. I had no interest in getting into any sort of religious debate, pro or con. I meant "spirit" more in terms of 'dispiriting' and leaving the audience completely deflated & hopeless versus exhilerated.
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@40mercury: I'm with you, a movie just about robots would not engage the average person emotionally. I include myself here. This is partially why Speilberg's A.I. didn't do so well at the box office, brilliant though it may be. The mainstream audience just wasn't willing to embrace sympathizing more with machines over human beings. (Its 'downer' ending didn't help either)
NecrofanMay 03, 2012
I don't look for the movie as a whole to be nihilistic. Even in the Greek Tale of Prometheus, after Pandora shows up and releases her 'jar' of woes upon mankind, at the end, hope remained. It may have been still trapped inside the urn, but the myth says that it was still there.
sukkalMay 03, 2012
I think all the woes are trapped in Alien3. (That film (2003 release) is tragic! In [u]EVERY[/u] way.)
Sir Scott, perfect example of what NOT to do in your return to the franchise.

NewtellaMay 03, 2012
I wish Alien 3 never happened.
In regards to the 'ignoring quarantine protocol' meme [i]again[/i] - ah well, if it wasn't for human error, there wouldn't be any story would there?
artyohMay 03, 2012
Newt79 posted:
"I wish Alien 3 never happened.
In regards to the 'ignoring quarantine protocol' meme again - ah well, if it wasn't for human error, there wouldn't be any story would there?"
Stupidity is a convenient device for getting people into difficult situations, but it is [i]not[/i] an absolute necessity. For instance, explorers could take realistic precautions against contamination/infection, yet still become contaminated/infected because of the insidious nature of whatever the threat might happen to be. it worked that way in "The Andromeda Strain," for example.

abordoliMay 03, 2012
@Newt79.
I too am glad that a religious debate didn't ensue. My wife has some extreme religious views that I don't particularly share (however, I certainly do respect her and wouldn't want her any other way). I have 4 sons (14, 12, 10 & 9 and a daughter, 18, that lived with my first wife and has since moved out) and I have allowed each to make their own choices. I don't mind going to Church because I know it pleases my wife and brings the family closer together. My own beliefs, I have learned (now at the age of 40), are quite "immaterial" (unimportant). As a friend of mine used to say, "It's not all about you, _______."
GuestMay 04, 2012
@Macs: I'm also hoping that the 'breaking quarantine protocol' meme would at least be handled in a much different way so it's not same ol' same ol.' An 'alien as virus' film does not make me want to run to the theater, so I'm hoping it's much more than that.
@abordoli: I'm a happy Earth creature myself who is fully comfortable with the idea that Adam & Eve most likely looked like lemurs, depending on how far back in primate time you want to go... Lemurs are cute, smart, and matrilineal. Just like meerkats. What's not to love about meerkats?

NewtellaMay 04, 2012
@Macs: I'm also hoping that the 'breaking quarantine protocol' meme would at least be handled in a much different way so it's not same ol' same ol.' An 'alien as virus' film does not make me want to run to the theater, so I'm hoping it's much more than that.
@abordoli: I'm a happy Earth creature myself who is fully comfortable with the idea that Adam & Eve most likely looked like lemurs, depending how far back in primate time you want to go... Lemurs are cute, smart, and matrilineal. Just like meerkats. What's not to love about meerkats?
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