Why "new" Xenos in the movie?

AVP does not even count within this universe, just the "Alien" canon...disregard the poorly made AVP films, they have nothing to do with this universe.

The whole illegitmacy of the AVP universe precludes it I'm afraid:O( Prometheus considers the Alien Universe only for direction and inspiration. Ridley want's to tell us the how and the why of the events that took place on LV-426.

Because even though the original alien franchise is very exciting we really need to see something new on the table... I'm thrilled to see what these former creatures are like and how much they have in common with the xeno.

AVP is such pure total trash we dont consider it while talking about prometheus. In my mind AVP movies never happened -_-

because AvP ruined the Alien for most of the fan base and the casual fan. This movie cost minimum 3 times as much as AvP:R. Iit has to appeal to a new market to make back its money. Attaching that baggage to it would hurt the film.

I don't think the story of AvP will be left behind...

But still there is a hope that they leave it behind. I for one would like to see a special boxed set of Avp and AvP:R printed on toilet paper.

L.March.....for some reason most of the people on here can't cope with another series that isn't directed by Ridley Scott, they think of him as god for some reason and any other movie that was made about the aliens are just plain wrong, stupid and dumb. Of course some even apply that to the Aliens movie which was directed by James Cameron of Avatar fame! As I have said before FOX owns the Aliens franchise and the movies and what they say goes, regardless of Ridley Scott. By the way, funny how Brandywine Productions made ALL the Alien movies along with the AvP as well. So to say Ridley Scott has the only "right" version of the Alien franchise is just plain wrong. It's really what the studio allows him to do that determines what is made into a movie.....ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY OWN THE FRANCHISE AND THE ENTIRE ALIEN AND ALIEN VS PREDATOR UNIVERSE!!!!

I find it amazing people wanna defend AvP. You obviously have zero taste in movies. Why do people respect Ridley Scott? Maybe it is because when you look on a list of the 10 best scifi movies, 90% of the time he has 2 movies in the top 5. 10% the top 15. That says about everything. I dislike all his non-scifi movies, but that in my mind can't be overlooked. Also, I can repost how "Aliens" is a "Alien" remake via Rambo again if you want. How Cameron steals every major plot point and how the are pretty much the same movie just with a bunch of douche bag Marines and shitty explosions instead of suspense. It's like Alien on a inter-galactic serving of 'AMERICA...FUCK YEAH". Add in a shitty mother/daughter story to appeal to the females in the audience and BOOM. Shit on a stick designed to make a unique movie appeal to action oriented jocks. Woo-fucking-hoo. I bet part of Ridley's contract said he didn't have to acknowledge AvP at all. He probably hasn't even seen them. And the re-write of Weyland is about the death knell for AvP. I am still amazed people like the AvP movies. To me that would be something to feel shame for and to not admit in public. Something to only share with your psychologist....

Alien Drone, you're generalising a bit too much. There is a whole spectrum of degrees of appreciation of the Alien franchise round here, from those who just see Alien as the only legitimate movie, to those who appreciate Alien Resurrection. But on one thing the vast majority of the people on this forum (I could say of humanity, but I won't) agree upon. The AvP movies were so poorly made that they are a shame and requiem (ironically) for the franchise. And if lots of teens appreciated those movies, and they were blockbusters, it doesn't mean anything. There are lots of poorly made sci-fi blockbusters that, as entertaining as they might be, will be forgotten. AvP could be two of those. The Alien saga will stay afloat because of its value, AvP movies are sinking and their only chance is their firm, desperate grip on the scrotum of Alien. Painful and undignified. Scott is not a god. But compared to Paul Anderson and the Strause brothers he might as well be.

The first film had some fun moments in it but the rest of it all is crap. I agree...however, that doesn't preclude Ridley having a little fun with ALL OF IT for himself like some slight reference or Easter egg, but I also agree and have said from the beginning both movies are a disgrace to the Intended nature of the entire franchise. There would be no point at all in anything more IMO than the use of the name "YUTANI". And I am going to be honest about this, even that isn't really necessary at all.

[quote]Alien Drone Member Send PM REPORT DELETE POST› Posted May-04-2012 7:07 PM | Moderate L.March.....for some reason most of the people on here can't cope with another series that isn't directed by Ridley Scott, they think of him as god for some reason and any other movie that was made about the aliens are just plain wrong, stupid and dumb. Of course some even apply that to the Aliens movie which was directed by James Cameron of Avatar fame! As I have said before FOX owns the Aliens franchise and the movies and what they say goes, regardless of Ridley Scott. By the way, funny how Brandywine Productions made ALL the Alien movies along with the AvP as well. So to say Ridley Scott has the only "right" version of the Alien franchise is just plain wrong. It's really what the studio allows him to do that determines what is made into a movie.....ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY OWN THE FRANCHISE AND THE ENTIRE ALIEN AND ALIEN VS PREDATOR UNIVERSE!!!![/quote] Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............ I'm gonna go get in the bomb shelter for this one............... And the AvP movies ARE just plain stupid and dumb. Also, Avatar looks good but sucks in the story department.

So then I was right. There has been no attacking going on in this thread. Please proceed with the discussion.

Abordoli......saying I have zero taste in movies implies exactly that, I have no taste, which is attacking someone, it's saying I lack something, some type of ability to judge in some way. It also implies that others are more perfect than myself and better as well, simply because I disagree with their views.

OK....I'm going to say all of this just once more....I hope.......AVP is nothing more than a studio cash grab monster mash up like Freddie v.s. Jason. Just because some studio shlub decides he can wring the last vestiges of profit from the wet towel remnants of an idea, doesn't make it cannon. Hell, I Love the first two Dark Horse runs of 'AVP'...loved them, but never thought the universes were actually worth crossing and because someone in a studio office decided it was a good idea to line his or her pockets does not make it canon or even a good sideshow...... Also, there are plenty of examples where sequels are completely ignored as canon due to inferior quality and a lack of involvement by writers or directors of the original work.......'Psycho', 'Halloween', 'Jaws'.....all have a slew of sequels that no one pays much attention to for those reasons....heck, 'Halloween 2' was written by Carpenter, but beyond that none of it really matters......AVP, notice I don't even it give it the respect of qoutation marks, is cheap exercise in fanboy fun run amok with studio dollars and little sense....Canon it is NOT..........the fact of the matter is, there's no denying that AVP was an excuse to make money, as I said, some studio shlub decides he can wring the last vestiges of profit from the wet towel remnants of an idea...... Why has Ridley held off on returning to this universe for so long?....he has always said that he wanted the right story...because story is everything....With 'Prometheus', as he's said countless times, this is its own story, congruent with the alien universe, but separate and unique, a prequel that goes its own way, something FUNDAMENTALLY NEW.... AVP takes two different franchises, mixes em' up as a gimmick, STEALS from O'Bannon's original script and bastardizes those stolen elements to make money rather than art.........sure Ridley's made it clear wants a massive finacial success..there's nothing wrong with that, except in the moment it becomes the sole point of the damn thing......There is no attention to artistic detail, integrity, storytelling or purpose in AVP...it is, therefore, categorically undeserving of canonical respect.... ....explain the absence of Charles Bishop Weyland in the weylandindustries.com Timeline....who, in AVP, is the founder of modern artificial human tech, not Peter Weyland as 'Prometheus' suggests..........the two timelines DO NOT mix or jive with one another for that reason.....how can you have a corporate timeline for Weyland Industries and NOT mention Charles Bishop Weyland?.......As to whether Weyland/Yutani starts as a single entity or is the result of a merger; sure, you say, "None of the Alien films stated that Weyland-Yutani started [as a merger]"...that's true, but none of them say it didn't happen that way either.........the notable absence of Charles Bishop Weyland is a clear and definitve repudiation of AVP.....that Ridley, Spaiths and Lindelof chose only to take the merger idea, does not, in and of itself, prove AVP occured as canon...if anything it does just the opposite wiith Charles Bishop Weyland being left out...... The only thing that will change this reality and fact of AVP's unimportance is Charles Bishop Weyland being mentioned in the film 'Prometheus'...Until we see that, there's no eveidence in your favor....sorry and I do say that with all due respect to you sir.......and there's this, direct from the timeline: "October 11, 2012 - Weyland Corporation is recognized as a legal entity and corporation under United States law and receives their Certificate of Incorporation from the Companies House in the United Kingdom. Due to the combined value of Sir Peter Weyland’s various patents and patent-pendings, the company incorporates with a higher fair market valuation than any other company in history." Isn't that 8 YEARS AFTER AVP when Weyland Industries is supposed to be an established Multi Biliion dollar corporate entity in AVP? ...we're going to claim there are two different Weyland companies existing coicindentally in the same universe, coicindentally inolving themselves with the same alien species? I think this is getting just a tad ridiculous.... "Prometheus" is invalidating AVP...end of story....

Alien Drone I agree with you. I think AvP is shit but I'm glad they both got made, and hope they keep making them post Prometheus 'cause they're fun and deep down inside we're all excited about the idea of Aliens fighting Predators (fighting Schwarzeneggars- AvP 3 please). Ridley Scott has only made one movie I gave a shit about anyway and that was Alien. And its not because of the pacing, or the cinematography, or the sets or blah blah blah fanwank, its because of HR Giger (first and foremost), the writers of the story, and Ridley Scott's ability to fuse it all together into a single coherent whole. Without the other contributors who brought the StarBeast to Ridley Scott in the beginning (fifth choice director I might add) he is just another filmmaker with a far less impressive catalog of work than people give him credit for apart from Alien. Plus all this fanwanking is being used as a platform on which to sell this movie (see featurette). I for one, am not sold, and fully embrace the possibility that this movie can still suck. That Cobra whatever it is looks pretty f*@kin gay so far and defenitely does not fall under the category of "scary". As disgusting as its behavior may be, disgust and fear are not the same emotion (says James Cameron ((see Aliens DVD bonus materiel)).

@Cypher Always outnumbered, never outgunned...

Once again, no love for AVP around these parts. LOL If Tom Rothman came out and said that he apologized for the AVP series and said they were purely for profit and were a mistake, and he officially took the series out of the timeline/canon/or whatever then everybody here that hates the movies would take that as enough proof that they're not canon because the Fox CEO officially said so. Now if he came out and said that they were officially being kept in as canon I'm sure that everyone that dislikes the films would never take that as official enough to make the films canon and would keep denying any connection to the actual Alien universe. A serious question for you guys, what makes them officially not canon as of now? Is it just your dislike for the films and not wanting them to be part of the Alien universe, or is there an actual official source that says they are not canon? It seems to be the former to me, but I may not have all the facts if you'd like to inform me. Shane, that's not fair to say that I or any other member on here has no taste in films if we defend the series. I'm a fan of both franchises and enjoy all of the films and I have plenty of taste in films, it may be different then yours, but we still have some of the same tastes as well since we are both fans of the Alien series and are on here anticipating Prometheus's release. L.March- to answer your question, if this film says that the xeno was just created during or after Prometheus then that will make these guys right and will pretty much officially take AVP out of the canon as the stories will conflict, but as of now they're not conflicting yet. We'll see after the film is released.

Once again, no love for AVP around these parts. LOL If Tom Rothman came out and said that he apologized for the AVP series and said they were purely for profit and were a mistake, and he officially took the series out of the timeline/canon/or whatever then everybody here that hates the movies would take that as enough proof that they're not canon because the Fox CEO officially said so. Now if he came out and said that they were officially being kept in as canon I'm sure that everyone that dislikes the films would never take that as official enough to make the films canon and would keep denying any connection to the actual Alien universe. A serious question for you guys, what makes them officially not canon as of now? Is it just your dislike for the films and not wanting them to be part of the Alien universe, or is there an actual official source that says they are not canon? It seems to be the former to me, but I may not have all the facts if you'd like to inform me. Shane, that's not fair to say that I or any other member on here has no taste in films if we defend the series. I'm a fan of both franchises and enjoy all of the films and I have plenty of taste in films, it may be different then yours, but we still have some of the same tastes as well since we are both fans of the Alien series and are on here anticipating Prometheus's release. L.March- to answer your question, if this film says that the xeno was just created during or after Prometheus then that will make these guys right and will pretty much officially take AVP out of the canon as the stories will conflict, but as of now they're not conflicting yet. We'll see after the film is released.

I loved Alien, like Aliens, am OK with Alien3, am still confused how AlienR got mad (i.e. where did they get Ripley's DNA). I loved Predator, was OK with Predator 2 and have forgotten that Predators was even made. I liked AvP1 (because I'm into ancient cultures and pyramid looking stuff), but the only thing I liked about AvP2 was the "preggers" concept. As far as mixing it all together.....I love milk and I love hot sauce. I just don't enjoy putting hot sauce in my milk and drinking it. @Alien DNA, I agree that the disdain comes from the fact that AvP2 was simply awful, however, I did see the very first opening shown on Christmas Day while the rest of my family went to see the Chipmunks and while in the theatre I did see some nuggets of "Alien DNA". I was sold into buying the ticket due to the fact that I had some enjoyment watching AvP1 and we were on vacation in Kittyhawk, NC, and we were going to the movies, and I didn't think I could have sat through the Chipmunks. When the DVD came out, I bought it that the day it was released, but when I put it in and started watching it, I could not bring myself to watch past the cool Predator stuff. Pretty much when the pizza delivery scene hit, I was out for the count...BORED.

@L. March Yes you are correct. People are talking about the creation of Xenos in Prometheus because they are ignorant and would rather wank their imaginations than read the facts (which I have repeatedly reiterated to them) that Ridley Scott has already confirmed that the Xeno as we have come to know them is millions of years old as is the derelict that crashed (sorry "Landed forceably") on LV-426 prior to the events in Alien. That being the case, it is easy to interface Scott's view of the Alien with the AvP view and the two have, up to this point, not conflicted with each other's plot points one bit.

@B1-66ER, I can agree about the non-conflict point you've made in the above post for I too am of the camp that "the Xeno as we have come to know them is millions of years old as is the derelict that crashed (sorry "Landed forceably") on LV-426".

I like Alien. I like Ridley Scott's 2 scifi movies. I would be on these forums if it was an all new ridley scott scifi as well. Everything else after to me isn't good. I actually strongly dislike them. The fact they never mention the Weyland from AvP one is more then enough to see that series has nothing to do with this one. Thank god. You figure if they wanted to accept AvP into cannon they would have given the first weyland some credit....they haven't at all. And it isn't like they haven't attached it via the website to every other alien film and yet no homage to either AvP movie. Like from the pulse rifles to prison colonies to pulse rifles have all been mentioned, but nothing tying in those 2. If they wanted it in there they would have mentioned it.

If I were a cineast trying to make a new version of an old "Alien fact", I would pretty much disregard any continuum brought by whatsoever sequels or the sake of the loose ends in the first movie I had done [on that perticular Alien case]. I'm into believieng that is pretty much what Sir Ridley is trying to do with Prometheus as said by him self: His interest in the case being the reason for the SJ and the derelict ship being there in the first place. That alone can be explored without touching what already has been done [in the sequels]. As much for the "Predator"... diferent characters from diferent universes should [in principle] stay apart from each other, since thay were not even pondered by that particular Director in the first place. The games were pretty neet at the time. I din't like the AVP movies though, and the general feeling I still have is that was done by a fan of both [different] universes characters. I like the Predator in his own universe as much I liked the Alien "xenomorph" in its' own universe. But that is that. With a bit of luck, Sir Ridley will feel that this new take on the SJ and derelict is a satisfying one enough for him to move on to other storys, rather than making sequels [a somewhat boring overly done thing]. But even if Sir Ridley intends to make a sequel, it would be something afar from "Alien(s)" wich is a very good thing [AVP games, books and the movies pretty much killed the StarBeast as an absolute horrific thing to encounter in space]. but that is just my humble opinion kudus, and sorry for the mispellings everyone

AVP only came from when they decided to put an Alien Skull on the ship in Predator 2.........its their fault lol

I know I'm beating a dead horse here and this topic will usually go on for about 8 or 9 pages Shane, but you say there is no homage to AVP on the website which is WeylandIndustrues.com, which is of course is the elephant in the room that nobody here wants to acknowledge as being that little bit of homage to AVP that you're talking about. Now I'm willing to see you're point that there's no mention of Bishop Weyland or Weyland Industries on the timeline which of course is out of place, but does still leave room to write it in if they wanted too, yet I know they probably won't. I'm wondering if Ridley was asked to leave something in from that franchise, so he did the name of the site, but then purposely left things out of the timeline not leaving more reference to the films.

@Shane : And, yeah, AvP is complete garbage. Sure, it's fun in a teenage boy on steroids kinda way if you're in the mood, but it AIN'T got nothing to do with "Alien"; the "Alien" in AvP may as well have been Alf...

How about this, if you guys didn't think that the movies were garbage and were actually really good, would it bother you then if they were considered canon? Do the Yautja really not fit into the storyline for all of you? Personally I think it's a cool concept and they fit well together; I'm just trying to get the bottom of the problem and whether it's just the disdain for the films themselves, or if you think the Predators have no place in the Alien universe simply because it doesn't feel right for you. BTW, I know a lot of you feel the films treated the Aliens as cannon fodder, but one Alien did take out two out of three Predators rather quickly, which shows they are not simply cannon fodder and actually just as deadly if not more than the Predator.

The AvP movies may be garbage but the idea is not. People who don't like AvP on the premise of keeping the franchises apart usually like to hate on Aliens also, since it is within the context of Aliens that the Predators fit quite well (also like to point out that James Cameron is in his element with Schwarzeneggar franchises). Ultimately the debate comes down to Aliens vs Alien and that debate is so tired and hopeless lets not even go there.

I thingk the idea of AvP is fucking great!!! Those who have read the books and comics know what I'm talking about. The problem is that Fox have lost the chance to make AvP a great movie...just that.

I agree that the idea of AvP is great as I own all the comics and it's good stuff. But I also have a Superman vs Alien comic and a Terminator vs Alien comic. Neat stuff, but I don't want movies focused on that because the comics were one-shot "gags". Predators vs Alien isn't that too far off, IMHO. I would have preferred that they left it in the comics and out of the movie theatres. But given lemons you make lemonade so one tries to find something redeeming in AvP1. There are some "silver nuggets" there. In AvP2, the only "nuggets" I can find are of the fecal kind. I'm sorry.....

That's how I look at it B1-66er ;-)

I feel the same way about the AVP films. Basically crappy films, the 2nd one being absolutely dreadful. The idea of having a film where both the predator and the xenomorph appear I think makes for an interesting film, but in this case it was poorly realized. I also agree with someone's comment about Avatar. I think it was Cypher? Great visuals, but boring story. Whether Ridley is deserving of all the praise and hype he gets from his loyal fan base, he probably did the make the best Alien film. Having said that, I do love Aliens. Although..I've gotta laugh at these comments. "It's like Alien on a inter-galactic serving of 'AMERICA...FUCK YEAH"." "Shit on a stick designed to make a unique movie appeal to action oriented jocks. Woo-fucking-hoo." LOL!

Wow, such hatred towards others that disagree! I am amazed, especially with this just being a movie, that some people have such disturbing emotions that they display toward their fellow man. I'm not even saying that I like the AvP movies, but they are scifi and have some of my favorite movie characters in them, regardless of whether the film stinks or not. The big point in all of this is no one has been able to refute anything I have said......Ridley Scott doesn't own the Alien franchise nor anything in the Alien Universe, it's all Fox, he's just part of the work force that does what they tell him to do, when it all is said and done, that's what happens. Yes, he might have some creative leeway, but if the Studio doesn't like it, guess what, REWRITE! So, why is there even an issue, they are movies and Fox can do whatever they care to do with their films. I think it would be so, so very funny if they decided to do the Prometheus sequel and put the Predator in the story line someway.......you know, they could do that and there would be nothing anyone could do......haha. By the way, no reason to be calling people that disagree with you names, and using bad language, after all what did I ever do to you? Have a nice day.......bye now.

Am I missing something? Have posts been removed? I'm not seeing where anyone has personally attacked anyone else in this thread. Ideas and movies, yes....but not people. If I'm wrong, please quote the personal attacks observed.

I've always loved the Alien movies, 1-4. However when I watched AvP and AvP Requeim I thought they were horrible, they almost ruined the Alien movie franchise magic. & of course because of that I found it impossible to watch Predator. Hasn't Ridley said that AvP and AvPR should be ignored as far as Prometheus plot goes? Anywyas, my main point was that AvP goes near top on my worst movies I've watched list, only reason I actually watched them/partly liked them was because the Xeno was in it and the pregnancy thing in AvPR was pretty cool.

Abordoli......how about a staff member......Spartacus calling me narrow minded, what do you call that?

"I say this is a very narrow minded post that shows a complete lack of understanding of the intended nature of the Film "Alien" !!!" A narrow minded post.......POST. Seems like he called the post narrow minded, not you. Why take things so seriously?

I apologize if it offended you 1st of all that's what Spartacus would call it. I think there are a lot worse things to be, but you never asked me why? I'll save you the time...you were Brutal with L March and I thought he had every right and guess what, I thought AVP killed the Alien Franchise as well !!! That was all it was. We can talk I am right here man...I respect ya !!!

Abordoli......how about a staff member, a staff member now......Spartacus calling me narrow minded, what do you call that? Perhaps "Shane" suggesting I need to be ashamed for my views and seek professional help for what I say on here. I don't know what you would call it? "A lack of understanding", what does that mean Abordoli? Does that mean I'm too stupid to understand anything, that I don't have the mental capabilities needed to comprehend?