Ive had a moment of clarity

Nice to meet you Mark Cawley: I believe that's the case. I'm one who believes in simplicity, and that is a pretty much simple answer. kudus

Thank you very much for believing me David 1.....now go out and spread the word to as many religions as you can lol. Yes.....everyone seems to come up with complicated answers. I love the simple ones.....like Dr Malcolms "Life finds a way". Its pure evolution of things init. I mean this cobrasnakeything has 37 years to advance after meeting humans......who knows WHAT its capable of? Or capable of turning into.....or making someone turn into.

LOL. I liked that "go out and spread the word" thing you did. Well, all speculation is valid until you watch the answers being given by the movie itself. keep them coming. :D

I kind of agree with that. But it does look like Weyland are aware of something, as ash is a last minute replacement for the Nostromo crew, so weyland must have had plans to send them to LV-426 before the Nostromo took off... ...so they must know something, but noone knows at this point what that something is. I would imagine if Weyland knew it would have to be a closely guarded secret really. I also wonder if the distress call was faked by Ash or weyland, to send the ship there, as I can't remember the crew finding the source of the call and switching it off (but that could just be poor memory on my part). Good post.

But then again.....Ash did seem to know that it can only be matched by its own hostility didnt he?

Both Windood and Mark Crawley make excelent points. I, for one, have always thought of Ash being there because somenone back at Earth would know that there was something out there and Ash was behavioring acordingly to that someones instructions [i.e. The Company] Windood: Nostromo Crew {Ash?] did hear the alien signal. [there is a cut-out from the movie where they hear and discuss the signal].

I wholeheartedly agree, the simpler the better. All the complex theories on this subject are usually awkward and prone to collapse because of vulnerabilities which give way to further weak theories in a sort of chain reaction. @Windood In the original script of Alien (and in the novel by A. D. Foster) the crew of the Nostromo actually find the source of the signal inside the derelict and switch it off.

[b]@Mark Cawley[/b] +1. I think you might be on to something. I had a quick flick through my copy of ALIEN vault about half an hour ago, and stumbled upon a passage that read something like this: [i]"The company picks up the signal from the derelict and then re-routes the Nostromo when it is on its way back to earth. The company doesn't actually know anything about the signal or who sent it, they simply investigate it out of curiosity. [/i] - [b]Ridley Scott.[/b]

@mentos I believe that exists and it is accurate to what is written down, but the movie itself says that the company knew there was an organism, and they knew that it could put the crew at risk, but they wanted it.

@Mark Thanks for saying that first because I've lost a lot my charm around here for my goofy theories, but hey, whaddya gonna do. ^_~ I'm an A-hole for continuity in and to the extreme...if it doesn't or can't match up, out it goes, in my mind. Thats why the sequels to me are irrelevant. Completely. Always, always ALWAYS believed that The Company did not know exactly what it was looking for or where it was, only that it was of an extraterrestrial origin. I believe that probably Vickers sent a message early in the mission after Prometheus landed and encountered 'problems' so to speak...it wasn't clear to her what these creatures were, but she dutifully reported what she knew at that time...one message and one message only. That is why the word 'specimen' is used in the message that Ripley discovers. Here goes another layer of my charm...the Prometheus mission is lost with all hands aboard...no one remaining to tell the tale when a followup mission arrives. All traces of what they found is gone, all of it....and that is why the Company keeps up a search for a trace of what Vickers was referring to. Everything the Prometheus found is gone?....another goofy theory, another thread...

@Mark Thanks for saying that first because I've lost a lot my charm around here for my goofy theories, but hey, whaddya gonna do. ^_~ I'm an A-hole for continuity in and to the extreme...if it doesn't or can't match up, out it goes, in my mind. Thats why the sequels to me are irrelevant. Completely. Always, always ALWAYS believed that The Company did not know exactly what it was looking for or where it was, only that it was of an extraterrestrial origin. I believe that probably Vickers sent a message early in the mission after Prometheus landed and encountered 'problems' so to speak...it wasn't clear to her what these creatures were, but she dutifully reported what she knew at that time...one message and one message only. That is why the word 'specimen' is used in the message that Ripley discovers. Here goes another layer of my charm...the Prometheus mission is lost with all hands aboard...no one remaining to tell the tale when a followup mission arrives. All traces of what they found is gone, all of it....and that is why the Company keeps up a search for a trace of what Vickers was referring to. Everything the Prometheus found is gone?....another goofy theory, another thread...

I don't think what mark originally said even made sense. Mark you said "Most....including myself wondered how Weyland came to know about the Alien and the eggs if they are not in Prometheus. My new answer is simple. They absolutley didnt know." But what you have clearly not understood is this. The human weyland died in AvP on an expedition to the arctic where they encountered the zenomorphs. The rest of the company i.e key importand corporate workers would have known about the expedition. Now in AvP2 the yutani corporation got footage of the Zenomorphs when they sent in the marine guards that compiled with the technology they got from wolf the predator who fought the pred/alien queen as well as key data that would have been acquired from the government goons who tried to capture the predator in predator 2 made the aware of the existence of the two species. Granted their knowledge of them took a hundred years bringing them to the events of promethius may still be scarce but they had gathered just enough information to know of them. Also there was a merger that took place between the two companies making it weyland-yutani corporation therefore bolstering their efforts in information gathering

I don't fully understand: haven't most people [i]always[/i] understood that the Company's awareness of what they are dealing with is at best, "partial"? I mean, isn't that one of the main themes that's played out, in plain sight, from Alien, onwards: the fact that they know [i]something,[/i] but not [i]everything[/i] - and that they continually misjudge and underestimate?.. I don't see the revelation. In fact, on reading it again, you seem only to have made an assumption that Weyland knew about the eggs, [i]specifically.[/i]..

@allinamberclad Yes, but it doesn't explain why Weyland and Co. doesn't simply go back at a later time and pick up where the Prometheus left off..and get it's "specimen". Weyland cant..there is no trace of what the Prometheus found..and so they keep searching.

@Forever War What? That's what I'm saying. I would have thought it obvious that one of the reasons they don't head straight back to the place could be, (for whatever reasons of plot you can imagine), they have little to go on.

Weyland has no problem going back, it may take some time but of course Weyland goes back..and finds no trace of what was reported. It is in fact there, but now it's hidden. it's underwater. So Weyland puts out a company wide directive and you have "Alien"

@forever war Underwater? where are you getting this from?

Good thread, linked to the discussion on time gaps too. Veey important for the writers of any prequel to deduce a feasible story from the known information in the future canon. Its clear that noone survives this, and noone gets their specimen. Its clear that other engineers do not get invilved or are called to an alert on lv223, or if they do they couldnt care less about earth since they bever show up

Smiles You got to shake the tree to get fruit Check the Wiki on Prometheus..under principal photgraphy....CAUTION POTENTIAL SPOILER

When the followup mission arrives they find a planet dotted with lakes, underneath one of which is the temple all all it's goodies.

Sorry for typos...shitty galaxy phones So im going to be very happy just to know how Peter knows what he knows in the first place, and also how this can end for a sequel. I can only think of an Aliens type sequel where a second mission goes back to lv223, shaw is rescued out of cryo and we just have a bigger fight with whatever has evolved. That would be shite...i would much rather Prometheus gets to half time so to speak and we pick up the conclusion

Oh, appears it would be the former then? Nevermind...sure it will be great! (damnit)

Oh theres a sequel all right, but Prometheus is over with... I said no one survives..no humans survive that is. but David does. Prometheus is the prequel, so to speak, to Alien. David is in the sequel, again, an awkward way to put it....to Blade Runner.

i wouldn't say for sure we know much about what happens in the film, certainly the ending and who survives (or not). I'd be surprised if no one survived, as it's Hollywood and they won't want to bum out the whole audience if therre are no survivors at all. So i'd imagine Shaw and probably Vickers survive. I also expect at the end that both will hate the weyland company with a passion, and would know what Weyland would do if they knew about the biotechnology. My guess is they would keep it secret, if they managed to get back to earth at all. But as continuity is for fanboys and not directors it wouldn't surprise me if there was some way for them to get rescued, and leave an opening for their characters to be in a sequel, as RS does seem to mention there is room for a sequel to this, i think Fassbender has said so too. A David can be powered up at any time, straight off the production line, there's no need to keep him as a survivor. I do think that the crews attitude and disdain for David will be mirrored in the Engineers attitude to us, we treat our creations according to our whims, I guess this film will show 'gods' can too.

Interesting....now those are two universes that would work well together, very clever if they pulled it off...Ridley would be a very happy man

Jp, I can't see Ridley going bush league high school art project cheap on ideas at this point in his career..Prometheus will be great and if I'm wrong I'll still be happy no matter what.

@Frever War, I think i've read that you intend to put up your theory as to what the film will be like 2 days prior to it going on release (i assume you mean in france or the uk). By then everyone will know what is in it in detail if they want, it wouldn't surprise me if there was even a crappy cam quality bootleg up by then, so why not put it up sooner? I'd have a read of it.

Thanks Windood, I will..I'll do it a lot sooner, but right now I got to take my wife to the mall..SHITE! as the British seem fond of saying Thank you for recognizing it as a theory, thats really all it is, just my impression

@windood In the book he knew but of course it never made it into the movie so RS can do what he likes. I'd be suprised if he strayed too far away from the original plot though

In the Alien novel the company had decoded the alien signal from the derelict. Before Ash was turned off he confirmed it and said they (SJs) were a friendly race who had discovered the eggs by accident. Link to the relevant page... http://db.tt/IzngJrfS

Do we think Ash was correct? I'd imagine things of this nature may have to be overlooked now that prometheus changes the mythos. Maybe Ash will in future be considered to be incorrect or lying? Is the novel still available, i think i'd like a read of that. Cheers TheNextLV426

Nice to know you all disregarded what I said earlier and are all stupider for it

Nice to know you all disregarded everything I said

I scanned your post, saw AvP and AvP2 and summarily ignored your entire post. This is a Prometheus movie fan-site. Welcome! This is where we discuss Prometheus and Alien (as you see up in the banner). ; )