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RS intentionally lying?

jujutsuka

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My apologies if this has been covered in a recent thread. Forum searches for "lies", "lying", etc didn't come up with any meaningful results. I have seen several comments lately suspecting that RS might be intentionally lying about the content of Prometheus to 1) drum up interest in the film; and 2) put us fans into a frenzy. I guess I don't see the logic of RS doing that. He can help market just as well by telling the truth (or by withholding info, which is not the same as lying!), and for the "lay person" who isn't so knowledgeable about the Alien franchise, they're likely not aware enough about his comments in interviews about not focusing on chestbursters, facehuggers, and xenomorphs. I recall a saying that goes something like, "There are three kinds of people--those who talk about things, those who talk about people, and those who talk about ideas." I'd like to think that RS is one to talk about ideas, not people or things. In that vein, I believe the "Alien DNA" will focus on ideas, not people/aliens. I personally trust that RS can make a film that is on the same par as (or even exceeds) Alien, and I don't believe he needs the aforementioned creatures in a cameo appearance to do so. So two questions. 1. What's the point in lying? (Particularly regarding speculation that we actually [i]will[/i] see a xeno or a proto-xeno.) 2. Why the need to see things like chestbursters, facehuggers, and xenomorphs? Don't we trust RS's imagination enough for him to "scare the living shit out of [us]" without revisiting his old ideas?
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I think it's called marketing.
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Can someone give some recent examples of A-list directors/screenwriters/producers who deliberately lied to fans and/or the press about the content of a film in order to drum up interest? I can't think of any off the top of my head. And no, comments about the Star Wars Prequels don't count :P
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1. I don't think he is lying about xeno's. As an anology I think the Alien movies are to Prometheus as to what symptoms are to a disease. The Xenos were just one of most likely infinite off shoots to what the true nature of the ampules and Engineers do or can cause. 2. I think a lot of hardcore fans just want to see the origin. Most of them want to see behind the curtain. I hope we get both. New baddies, themes and a few familiar xeno-ish faces.
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We could see a "flashback" of the chestburster event on "Acheron" (‹‹‹ I'm not sure why Mr. Cameron did that). Or not. What exactly is he supposed to be LYING about; there NOT being 1979 xenos in the film? It seems pretty clear to me that David is pulling a proto-facehugger out of that urn in the early trailer. I think the marketing dept. (=trailer editors) blackened it in post to obscure that it is clearly some form of a 1979 facehugger. I can see Ridley being complicit in something like that, but NOT in blatantly lying on camera about what will and won't be in the film. That's crazy talk.
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I don't think he's lying. If he hints around without revealing something, that is one thing. If he lies completely, he threatens his own credibility later. Besides, Damon Lindleloff or whatever his name is said we would see the "huched over, monkey progenitor" to the classic zeno in the film, and he also dropped the hint that something indeed "had to lay all those eggs on the derelict". These remarks were on the last Q&A that's available at Youtube. Ridley was sitting right beside the guy when he said it.
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He would only be lying if there were xenomorph aliens in the movie, which I'm 99% sure that he's not lying. If you equate apes to humans, then yes, you will probably see the alien you are looking for. But apes and humans are two completely different species...
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[quote=Xenotron][i]If you equate apes to humans, then yes, you will probably see the alien you are looking for. But apes and humans are two completely different species...[/i][/quote] Good analogy.
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Ridley has been changing things as he goes along for what purpose who knows. 1st the movie is not a direct prequel, it started as such but they developed a Story that will be seen as a stand alone movie but we will see some strands of Alien DNA. 2nd he then says there wont be any Xenos or Face Huggers they have been done over and over but the movie will go some way to explain the reasons behind Alien Derelict scene. 3rd He then goes and says that there will be a 8 min scene at or near the end of the movie that would explain and link to Alien. 4th He says that this scene we would see 100% Alien DNA and that the Alien Fanboys will get there wish and leave satisfied. 5th He says this movie is where the Mommy Meets Daddy. (Shaws Baby?). 6th He then says that maybe the Derelict Parked on LV426 and he also said after that maybe it was not a planned Landing but a Emergency. 7th He said that maybe the Derelict and its Tech is Millions of years old. 8th He said that the Derelict was carrying a Cargo of Eggs and that it was off somewhere but then one of the Cargo had escaped and the Pilot had to make a Emergency Landing... So this tells us we will see some link to Alien and the Alien Cycle my bet is Eggs and maybe a open one (i dont expect to see Chest Buster or Face Hugger unless Ridley leaves it untill after the credits). The problem is some evidence sugests two different Derelicts at two different times... but then whats with the Mommy Meets Daddy comment? So again who knows whats going on, and dont forget he has that Lost Writer on board and we know why they called it Lost lol.

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I can answer this question...the Point is to completely redirect the Press which I think and am almost certain he LOATHES and has nothing but Contempt for...I mean is it just me or did anyone else notice he fell asleep deliberately in at least 3 recent interviews...?... not 'cause he was tired, but because he was board and aggravated and doesn't want to be there!!! He is also lying because, and he does not come right and say it, BUT, CLEARLY 100% CLEAR AS FRIKKIN' DAY THE CREATURE HE IS GIVING US IS THE PREDECESSOR TO THE VERY XENOMORPH WE SAW IN ALIEN! He is doing exactly what he said in tat interview he did not, every single thing he has done in fact points to the ALIEN DNA being the realization that this thing is the Xeno's predecessor. and lastly I think anyone, that says there is not connection or buys into anyone else saying that that this thing is not a direct predecessor to the Xenomorph in Alien is completely lost. There is just NO LOGICAL way to DENY this even at this point.
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@aintnozeno Again yes he said that but it contradicts what Ridley had also said.... Lets assume the Millions or years is a red herring and to put us off the trail. If we assume that the Xeno was not created before this movie but created as a event that occurs in this movie (Daddy Meets Mommy) i am sure Lindleloff said that not Ridley. And how he says we would see the Xeno progenitor in this movie, maybe he means Shaws Baby? Or something else. Then how and when does any progenitor lay any Eggs? Why does the Derelict in Alien not have any sarcophagus? I think its a red herring and the Xeno is created a long time ago and has been quarantined on LV426 for a long time prior to Prometheus landing. Thats why we dont see any Xenos or Eggs in this movie, that would explain the dead Jockeys etc. Why go to all the trouble to create either the Shaws Baby, or a potential Alien Proto Xeno from either mutated Holloway, David 8/Weyland just to explain the orgins of the Xeno in Alien? This would in essence make the movie a direct Prequel and after this movie where does Ridley go as far as the Xeno progenitor? Does a Sequel bridge the gap between Prometheus and Alien? surely we cant do another movie just to cover that? Nope i think my theory and one that others have about the Xeno being a old creation of the Engineers answers most questions and is most logical if.. You wish this movie to stand as a stand alone film that will as a encore explain the Derelict and its Cargo on LV426. If you say that there will not be any Xenos, and wish to avoid any direct link to the Xeno. If you wish to explore a different direction with a sequel and not have to go back to the Xeno. And Finally if you want to use what happens to Shaw and/or Weyland to go and create a new Franchise.

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