Archeron and LV-223

...and what about the third satellite? [img]http://www.yellmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Nostromo_LV426-445x296.jpg[/img]

thats no moon...

Not shown on the Prometheus still....User 897 has quite a few stills available, see Featurette+ET weekly thread and click on his screen caps. Just the planet alone tells you LV-223 is in close proximity of LV-426....really close!!

Planetoid according to Alien Canon...doesn't matter what you call it, it's the same freakin system as Alien and one of the bodies in orbit is LV-223 and another is LV-426.

@HoneyBadger, care to articulate a bit more? @Dave_b could you please post a link?

I tried but no luck yet....check out the thread on the featurette+Entertainment Weekly and scroll down a few to user 897...I'll keep trying!

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/190 There ya go...scroll down to user 897 and click on screen caps and then go to last few images in his file!

@HoneyBadger "that's no moon..." Chewy get us out of here?

http://s1132.photobucket.com/albums/m574/User897/Screen%20Caps/?start=all This should be the short cut to the images

[img]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m574/User897/Screen%20Caps/_Prometheus_SpotTV-StarMap15_Portugal1080p_H264-AACmp4_snapshot_0008_20120510_014105.jpg[/img] This one? We see 2 satellites. The other one might or might not be LV-426. But if it is, where is the third one? The scale seems to be off (but it could easily be on purpose), so: -it's another planetary system -they forgot the third satellite (but it doesn't make sense to me) -the third satellite's orbit happens to be big enough to not be included in the shot (but this would defy the whole scale thing, and I've rarely seen movies using correct astronomic scales). Only time will tell.

[u]Here's my problem[/u]: I'm glad that this is going to be a stand alone feature. I really am. However, I would like this movie to address two questions that I believe many of us have: 1) How did the 'derelict' get there, and 2) How did the 'eggs' get there as well? Furthermore, where did the beacon come in? Why was it transmitted? What were they trying to say? Asking these questions doesn't mean that I want to see a film with the "xenomorph" running around chomping off peoples' heads. Not at all! I just figure that if you're going to the same star system that instigated the events of Alien, then perhaps you owe it to inquiring minds to answer some of these questions. I'm not saying this film won't, but I will be saddened if it doesn't. Here's another problem I have. We have to assume that Prometheus takes place before the events of Alien. It has been confirmed from various sources that Prometheus is the first "faster than light vessel". So if they discover LV-223, then what keeps Weylend from sending ships back after the "Prometheus" disaster? Maybe he did, or maybe he didn't. Who knows? But why did the crew of the Nostromo seemingly have no clue about the previous events surrounding this star system? I guess it's possible, but somebody should have said, "Hey, isn't this the same place where the Prometheus ship was lost XYZ number of years ago?" So, in my estimation, LV-426 is really the hot spot, which begs the question, did the company ever go back to LV-223? Did they not even think to go back or to even investigate those other moons? These are big questions, and at least for me, I'll be very disappointed if they're left unanswered. Why? Well...the problem with prequels, and we saw this with the Star Wars prequels, is that writers will come back and create stories that don't quite fit with their own established canon. Please don't come after me with your torches and pitchforks. I just believe that a lot of us truly want some of these questions answered. I'm sure that we can sit here all day long and postulate why it was never mentioned in the original movie, or perhaps why the "Prometheus" disaster was covered up. However, it's been 100 years since the sinking of the Titanic, and people are still talking about it, making movies about it, writing about it, and exploring the crash site. To me, it seems implausible that people wouldn't have done the same after the loss of the Prometheus. I'm interested to see if they tie any of this in.

It could be hidden behind the ringed planet... Also we have to consider what does LV 223 and 426 mean? Take BMW Cars a 318i to 740ci there is not 422 different models between them. LV 426 could be part of a different planet... Say if Saturn was LV 550 its moons say LV 551 to LV 557 (well actually more as there are 62 moons well satilites). And say Jupiter is LV 660 and its moons LV 661-666 lol etc... Or it could be as a binary star system that LV200-- series is given to planetiods and moons of Zeta1 Reticuli and LV400 series are for the moons and planets of Zeta 2 Reticuli We just dont know how in this movie the planetoid designations are meant to be in relation to each other.

@azalard We will get many of those questions answered in regards to Alien.... we may not get massive details but we would leave with enough of a hint that we can finally conclude the reasons behind the events that led to the Derelict being on Alien with that Cargo. As far as being set before Alien this movie is set 30 years prior, but the events that led to the Derelict on LV426 may had happened many many years prior to Prometheus let alone Alien and hence it not being a direct prequel as far as the timeframe of events of the Prometheus crew and the Derelict on LV426. Yes there are holes as into why Nostromo never knew about LV223, again maybe not so if LV223 is in the Zeta 1 compared to Zeta 2 Star System. We are assuming that the Derelict in Alien left LV223 just to jump next door, like from our Earth to our Moon.... In space terms for a advances race that can reach Earth... this would amount to a problem occuring before the landing gear on a plane retracts (well thats when most crashes happen). Maybe a craft like the Derelict could go from Earth to Saturn before the Cargo gets Compremised? We just dont know.... Also why does the suits in Aliens not colonise or know much about LV223? Maybe LV223 gets destroyed? If not in this movie maybe in a potential sequel. I am sure if Ridley did a Prometheus 2 he would take care of any holes and anomalies regarding LV223 in relation to the Alien franchise.

Ridley has us going back to Zeta 2 Reticlula, the same looking ringed planet is in Alien with planetoids around it, they have an LV designation, SJ's are shown leaving in a hurry...emergency indicates catastrophic conditions, hence a SJ ship could very well have crashed shortly after takeoff. Sometimes the obvious choice is the correct one:O)

@azalard If you go back and look at Alien, the crew of the Nostromo thought the signal from the beacon was a distress call. Ripley figures out that it's not a distress call, but a warning to stay away. We can assume a few things from this. 1) The engineer who crashed the derelict ship on LV-426 cared enough to warn his people or other intelligent life to stay away. 2) The ship was infected with the dangerous Xenomorph(s) before it crashed, because something had to lay those eggs. 3) Based on the crew's examination of the the deceased remains of the engineer, he had been there a long time. Perhaps even longer than 30 years. I think Prometheus will answer the question of who the engineers are and what part they played in the advancement of human evolution. What we may not find out is how or why the Xenomorphs came to be. That might be the reason for a sequel to answer the question of the origins of the Xenomorphs and how they wound up on the derelict ship on LV-426. Prometheus may only deal with the engineers and us.

people have criticized Dallas's "fossilized" statement when describing how long it seemed the SJ had been there. either way, the intention was to imply that it was REALLY old. 30 years doesnt even scratch the surface of how old i believe RS was intending to communicate to us that this thing was. having said that, its only fair to mention that fossilization, under the right circumstances, can occur in less than 30 years. i always thought of the derelict site as being almost ancient. not so much now, but still, i think of it as very old. then again, if thats true, they havent come out with a new Juggernaut model in quite a while. ;)

Yes Vadertime, but the engineers are most likely all that considerate based on the info gleaned thus far. More likely one of the crew is in the derelict's SJ suit....they got a warning off before it crashed/landed. None of the crew make it back to Earth...that's why this clandestine mission is forgotten until the Nostromo picks up the signal and follows protocol, which was written for just such an event as the LV-426 beacon. Weyland Industries may not have any info on what happened or why, but they sure will keep the radar up for any clues a deep space vessel may uncover. Why a direct return never happened is still a problem however?

not really, a return probably didn't happen because it was already stated that the prometheus trip cost was astronomical, and given the theories that weyland is on this trip and he is the catalyst to searching for this stuff, and assumably perishes on the trip, and weyland industries now becomes "the company", they are not going to mount another trip with what has already been stated that nobody on earth knows what happened to prometheus, AND, it was a highly top secret mission, so only a few would have known about it. the prometheus crew, being expendable, probably all got written off as MIA. Surely "the company" knows something about what happened and the nostromo just happens to be the "next available" opportunity for the company to explore zeta2 reticuli and secure the specimen. Ash had prior programming to do such. all IMO of course.....

@Dave_b It was obvious that Ash knew about the mission to recover the Xenomorph in Alien. So, it would logically mean that word got back to Earth from the Prometheus mission about alien life and the bio-technology. So the question is why it took 30 years to return and why a mining ship? Unless, it took Weyland 30 years to find LV-426 and the Nostromo was the closest spacecraft in that vicinity at the time. Seems like more questions than answers.

I think we may get more than a clue in Prometheus....can't wait!!!

Not to be a nitpick, but it's actually called "Acheron"

LV-426 didn't have the atmosphere until WY not terraformed it. Definitely this is another planet...

LV-426 didn't have a [b]*[u]breathable[/u]*[/b] atmosphere until WY terraformed it.

PROMETHEUS is a reboot of the Alien franchise that doesn't negate the original ALIEN

You know, i don't believe for one second that RS just "made up" the planet names. But i can't seem to find any system involved either. Just doesn't make sense. Wanna give it a shot? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_designation_in_astronomy Mies.

Ok, so it's a binary system. Two stars rotating around one another. Lv 426, and Lv 223 are each orbiting their own star? Mies

It is Acheron... sorry! Zetz 2 Reticuli is a real system Meis:O)

This should pull up the Z2R system on wikipedia. Binary system, both suns similiar to ours and one of them has a debris disk around it...the ringed body may be a sun actually! http://s1132.photobucket.com/albums/m574/User897/Screen%20Caps/?start=all

All of you guys have advanced some pretty interesting theories: 1.) If Weylend is truly hidden aboard the Prometheus, then this may corroborate that Twitter girl's story about having seen an advanced screening of the film. This would also debunk the story from the script that was leaked on the web about a month ago. 2.) Ash's foreknowledge of what was on LV-426 is an interesting avenue to explore. He knew something, but the extent of which is debatable. I would assert that he knew about the planet as well as what these lifeforms could do. So I'm wondering if Prometheus would set up the "company's" desire to capture and bring back a specimen for their bio-weapons division. So, what is the "xenomorph" a hybrid of? Is it bio-mechanical, as in the product of being meshed with a synthetic life form, such as David?

i think you guys are all bang on. i rekon they are two different ships and two different systems. and we are gonna get enough info to make some speculation about the xeno's origins. nothing more.