Are you willing to give honest opinion of Scott and Prometheus if you HATE IT?
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Cinefan
MemberOvomorphMay 19, 20121451 Views27 RepliesI know everybody here wants to love Prometheus and for it to be as groundbreaking as Alien, but if you honestly hate it and maybe think Scott has lost his touch will you be truthful?
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CrazyDave55811May 19, 2012
As much as I am looking forward to Prometheus, and screw any other movie this summer.....I will maintain a neutral stance about it. It's only mature to be neutral about things, instead of being biased and one-sided.
Of course, it's hard for me to hate a movie. I'm a guy who appreciates a lot of things; one may think I'm "too appreciative". I just keep an open mind about things and try to look at things from both sides and then reach my own conclusion.
In the case of Prometheus, I'm sure we can expect some hardcore Scott enthusiasts who will denounce this movie as being "not as good as his original work".....but that's their opinion. You get the same kind of people concerning different things in media as well. Personally I think they may be just biased because of the era when Sir Ridley released his work, kind of like how everyone says the original Grinch Who Stole Christmas cartoon was better than the Grinch Who Stole Christmas movie in 2000 because "Well, it's the original.".......okay, bad comparison. ._.

OttoMay 19, 2012
Ugh, PLEASE don't ever mention the "Grinch" remake in public again, CrazyDave...40 lashes for you...

Forever WarMay 19, 2012
I will be truthful, sure, and I am biased in favor of Scott... but Matchstick Men?
I consider Kubrick to be near to up in the xeno murals, but The Shining?
No on both accounts.
Anyone can lose sight.
PrenihilityMay 19, 2012
By...Honest opinion if the movie ends up being bad, you mean...? Lighting my house on fire and putting a bullet in my brain? Then yeah, why...YES, i WILL!
HAH! Take THAT Ridley Scott.
Nah...can't be bad... *Cocks shotgun*
abordoliMay 19, 2012
I have a duty to be intellectually honest. I will praise what is praiseworthy about it and criticize what I felt was a disappointing. Given what I have seen so far, however, the balance is tipping in the direction of more praise than criticism. If after the movie is seen this changes, I vow to be honest in my review of the film.
-abordoli (staff)

CrazyDave55811May 19, 2012
@[b]Otto[/b]
But the movie was good. And I'm not saying the original cartoon was shit; it's an eternal classic. The shitty Dr. Seuss movie was Cat in the Hat in 2003; Mike Myers needs to, uh, I'll stop....no more lashes. Ow. T~T
HephaestaMay 19, 2012
I hope it's a good movie, but hell...it's not MY movie. If it sucks, I'd say so. Wouldn't be any skin off of my butt.

alphatechsungunMay 19, 2012
doing an alien prequel is one thing.... but he better not fool with bladerunner and make a sequel. that movie is perfect. you dont mess with perfection.
dallas!dallas!May 19, 2012
No worries here. I think Scott is almost always brilliant visually. And almost always crap when it comes to content, post Legend. Sure, maybe I am biased towards the earlier era that Scott comes in at the tail end of. Correction: I am most definitely biased to the 60s to early 80s era, to my eyes, with good reason.
So I will definitely label crap what is crap. But this does look good. Even if there are a few too many People's 50 most beautiful people in the cast. It still looks really, really good.

CinefanMay 19, 2012
@Alpha, Bad news then, it's just been reported on Mania.com that it is going to be a sequel to Blade Runner that Scott will be working on.
dallas!dallas!May 19, 2012
And recent reports have surfaced that Scott has recently signed a contract with Marvel to begin work on an Avengers-Prometheus tie-in.
PrenihilityMay 19, 2012
Yeah, honestly. Look at RSs work. Box-CutterRunner, Alien, Gladiator...
All amazing movies, although Alien....Eerrr..I respect it for what it did for the history of film, but...As a movie, on it's own. I didn't think it was anything special. That's why the whole Alien series just doesn't work. Like i've said about a hundred times by now. You can't just base a movie on something as simple and uncomplex as some mindless creatures... The latter Alien movies are PAINFULLY obvious proof.

TheEggMay 19, 2012
I'd be willing to tell him. Because God knows someone should've told M. Night Shyamalan ages ago. His first was his best.
jakegooseMay 19, 2012
Some great responses here. : ) I feel so at home on this website. Only folks that are interested in cinema here. It's been a while since I've been integrated into a family of film-watchers since I studied film for three years up North. Sorry for the exposition.
I really look forward to this film since RS is making it. Alien 3 was a bigger disappointment to me than the others made around Alien, Alien 2 was grand, and Resurrection took on a whole new angle. Thanks to Junet (Great filmmaker).
That response to the Alien films should give you an angle on how I will respond to things. I don't ever like bashing cinematic work, and generally focus on the constructive things. It's what makes better cinema. The truth is that most people aren't literate in watching cinema, so most feedback can be frustrating and uneducated. Everyone here seems well-versed. Thank you all! ;D

allinambercladMay 19, 2012
I will be rigorously dispassionate and frank in my assessment, come what may.
@Prenihility
What you say seems a gross misinterpretation as Alien does not seem to support what you have said?
Virtually nothing about the creature in Alien was [i]explained[/i] - which was part of the strength of the film: but, I don't think that is the same thing, at all, as declaring that the creature was mindless?
It quite clearly had purpose, we just didn't [i]know[/i] exactly what that purpose was, nor did we know, exactly, how intelligent or complex it was - which was also why it was so threatening.
[In the backstory, it was never supposed to be dumb, it was supposed to be at least as intelligent as we are - just different].
There are clues: it doesn't behave like an animal - it just behaves like something that has little to fear from humans, has it's own objectives for them and itself - and isn't even that much interested in us apart from in terms of fulfilling those objectives?
It certainly doesn't behave as if it would want to explain itself or want to communicate anymore than we would want to explain ourselves to, or communicate with, a mouse, or a pig....it treats humans with pitiless contempt, if not complete indifference.
The [i]subsequent[/i] films took those interesting voids in our understanding and filled them with a jumping and squealing insect-thing that lived mostly to serve the interest of a Big Queen, which, however well executed it was, it was really a Big Excuse, Big Idea to then give a much devalued entity some value, drama and milage - the creature in Alien didn't need any Queen. It was conferred that it had it's own ideas. We just weren't told what they were.
So, you may condemn [i]those[/i] films on that basis but, (I would have thought, obviously), you cannot condemn Alien by the same terms.

David 1May 19, 2012
My take on your question: yes I would and I always be truthful to my own.
It is quite simple to me. Though Scott did 2 great Scifi movies, there is still one that is unbeatable IMHO and that is 2001.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

SpartacusMay 19, 2012
nothing wrong with being honest AFTER you've seen it man, that's what it's all about...it will be interesting to see who did and who did not as along as we are all respectful of each others opinions...we can do this. Right...?...lol.
ShaneMay 19, 2012
If it sucks I will be the first to say it sucks. But that is my opinion. Like it is my opinion Ridley Scott has made 2 good films. And that period pieces kinda suck [for me, lots love them and hate scifi].
Also: Solaris > 2001. But this is gonna open that Kubrick thing again and I am gonna get flamed because I don't think he is the greatest director ever. he isn't even in my top 50.

David 1May 19, 2012
Shane:
nothing wrong with not liking Kubriks stuff. Most people don't. It is hard to know what the hell is 2001 all about.
I found one cineast that made [IMHO] a very good point as to what the monolith is:
[url=http://www.collativelearning.com/2001%20analysis%20new.html] Rob Ager /url]
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
ShaneMay 19, 2012
@David 1
I get it. Believe me. I was a film studies major and have been actively involved with local film communities since I was a teenager.
I just don't enjoy most of it. I like 2001, think it is a great film but it is not the be all and end all of scifi to me.
I've already had this conversation here. There are many directors i think deserve the same seat he has gotten over time. That's it. My opinion.

BigDaveMay 19, 2012
I am sure, well hopefull that Ridley will look at the negativity towards any aspects of this movie...
If there are not answers to Alien, then maybe Ridley would consider a partial explanation in Prometheus 2 or maybe Explain or do something as far as Extras on the Blue Ray regarding the SJ.
At the moment we have not seen the movie and so we dont know what the score is...
Maybe the Hologram scene is a attempted in a suptle way to explain/link some connection with the Xeno, maybe we would get a scene that attempts to adress some of those questions at the end... or maybe the last scene we would assume or link some Organism to the Xeno as in a Proto Xeno or Progenitor?
Untill we know whats the case, its hard to know what critism would be aimed at the movie...
I had spoken to another person who gave me no real details as i dont want none, but what he said has left some disapointment...
This is not from that stephen, or those twiter girls etc..
SPOILER SPOILER
This person said the movie kind of does vaguely answer some questions but then these may not be direct answers but more stuff that we can make better assumptions on.
This movie will leave more questions than answers and i am not talking about the Derelict on LV 426 and Eggs etc... but some other parts of this movie are touched upon as vague as the Derelict and Jockey was in Alien.
So as we have many questions after that movie... after this we will have more about more things...
Is this because of Lindelof.... and his Lost way of writting.... or are these things what Ridley as seeded so he has a lot of areas he could explore if he did a Prometheus 2.
There are a lot of twists, and when we think from the Trailers we can speculate stuff and add clues and think we peiced some of a jigsaw... its like finding out that those jigsaw peices are part of different jigsaws.
Basically what we assumed to go on in some scenes, well we only scratch surface.
Their are some twists and plot elements that are confusing or suprising depending how you look at it...
The Person claims the 3D elements are great, the Hologram scene is amazing and there are another 3 scenes that really use 3D well that he cant say as they are big parts of the movie......
He says some speculation is close, and some of the so called leaked stuff is close but different so thinks the people never paid attention or its just bits of info they got from someone else. That they may have interpret different.
The main only question i asked was with Alien link, and it was as i said above suptile but mainly just help with assumptions that we already had. And that their is a new creature in this movie that is a Hybrid of the old a combination he said, it is very large and epic and will make us go wow.....
END SPOILER END SPOILER.....
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDaveMay 19, 2012
Sorry went off topic there....
Yes i would assume that he and fox would lissen to what the fans reaction was..
If most of us got really upset of the writting style and elements that may be to do with Lindelofs input and changes to the movie, and indeed if fans are upset at not getting a answer... then maybe a Prometheus 2 would give that.
For example Fox owns the Licence to Aliens Franchise and Weyland etc etc.. they could go make a Alien 5 which is Space Jockeys vs Predators and explain that to the creation of the Xeno if they wanted to...
If one of the biggest disapoints is maybe unanswered questions regarding Alien and the reason that seems behind how Ridley pitched the idea to Fox for a Prequel.... before Lindelof took part and chaned it to a vague prequel.
Then if Fox feel that if fans get there answers they would be more interested in Prometheus 2 i am sure Fox would get Ridley to answer them even slightly and allow the door to be closed....
And if Ridley says no.... i am sure Fox could go and explore and explain those movies themselves...
I mean i would assume if they wanted say John Carpenter to make Prometheus 2 they have more say in it than Ridley?
Untill we see the movie, we just dont know... Ridley think Alien fans would leave satisfied... and so far the two Sci Fi people who claimed to had seen the movie have said its a masterpeice...
The last person i spoke to says its as ground breaking as Star Wars EP4 and Blade Runner in his eyes....
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

David 1May 19, 2012
Shane:
True friend, true.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
dallas!dallas!May 19, 2012
Shane,
I am a major 2001 fan, but you are correct, imo, Solaris just is unbeatable. The approach towards alien intelligence in that movie and its willingness to really explore the characters' emotional history (something Kubrick, as much as I love him, rarely did) place it on a level of its own. I think it is one of the few perfect movies out there, excepting maybe some of the effects of the time which Tarkovsky wisely uses minimally.
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