During the 5 year hypersleep the Prometheus travels back a million + years to LV
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MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:01 AMThe dark secret or hidden aganeda that Vickers could be harboring is the fact that during their five year hypersleep David tampered with the travel logs and course trajectories and made LV 426 appear to read as LV 223 and they wind up at the Zeta Reticuli system only a million + years in the past.
The Prometheus, during those five years enconters something, some annomolous effect during its intermittent flight. This would then tie in why the Juggernaught crashlands behind them when their running and around them. The reveal is like in the original Planet of the Apes the discovery of the entombed, fossilized Statue Of liberty thus reveals that he has been on Earth ALL ALONG, only thousands of years in the future! The reveal here in this case is some how the Prometheus and that of its crew some how ends up making a jump back in time a million + years to LV 426 in the past.
No traces explain why they will never find anyone in the future because weathering, geological planetary forces, temperature and the slow erosionary processe would thus erode awy any evidence for a future expedition to this world would find. May be the Juggernaught is made of a different type of alloy that makes it impervious to time for ALL TIME!
The Prometheus goes into orbit around what it thinks is the designation LV 223 but it has been tricked. Somehow it will transpire that it is indeed LV 426 all along and that they are upon it millions of years in it past when it weather was perhaps alittle better to tollerate. Working idea....................
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Kane77
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:09 AMthe derelict on LV 426 is different than the one ones on LV 223..
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 6:12 AM@ SMBH - Late to the party?
Time Travel has been discussed to death!
Ridley recently stated that the SJ ship in Alien is not the same ship in Prometheus.
HyperNova
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:13 AMYou dont know that for absolute certain. You keep saying that too but you dont truely know yourself either. You think it is two derilicts but it may not be. We just dont know at this point. You seem so dead set on thinking it is two all of the time because everyone else says so but you could be wrong too!
On the other hand you could be right after all!
I want the crashing juggernaught to be the derilct eventually as well! I'm not sure how it will be done though. Maybe it shows that these Juggernaught-type ships keep crashing all the time and the technology is flawed in some way. Guess we'll wait and see won't we!
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 6:22 AM@ Hypernova - actually, I originally argued the point that the Derelict in Prometheus was the same one as in Alien. But Ridley's recent comment regarding the Derelict in Alien muted the argument...
Ridley's Statement (not quoted)...
The derelict Space Jockey craft in Alien was carrying a cargo of Alien eggs, and when the pilot fell foul to his cargo the craft was forced to land on LV-426, this occurred a long time before the events depicted in Prometheus. the technology of the Space Jockeys is millions of years old.
Vandyke
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:22 AMSnorkelbottom said: Time Travel has been discussed to death!
I am following the threads here for a while but missed that. Can you help me with a link or two?
In spite it might have been discussed, I still like to add that near-Light and FTL Travels (and black holes) theoretically always lead to the future, not to the past. In fact, any gravity or acceleration in general does this, too.
And I can not imagine that RS would take such an old plot frame. This would be really boring. Nothing new to be told with "moving back in time", leaving away any really interesting plot with a lame excuse.
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 6:25 AMUse the keyword "time" or "time travel" in the search bar!
Normally I would post a link or two, but my duties on the forum are keeping me busy.
HyperNova
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:31 AM
Snorkelbottom.......
I guess it beggars the question with the time travel scenario, if the derilict found and the Juggernaught crashing are two seperate ships then did the derilict in a seperate incident go back in time to end up there or did it land there then all that time ago? Seperate from that the juggernaught in Prometheus crashes down, so now you have apparantly two inistricable crash landings! I don't know, it all seems still rather fishy to me that Ridley Scott may be priming us for something but I'm not sure what the SOMETHING quite is yet. I'm still suspicious that he is trying to hint at something, tell us all something with the two alien ships having "crashed" in two apparant "seperate" locations all in some way related to Zeta Reticuli!
I'm still a bit suspicious!
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 6:35 AMheres the interview with Ridley Scott in question...
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NnAiIqWsyAo1]New Hero Complex show with Ridley Scott as its first guest.[/url]
Vandyke
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:35 AMI used the search and found a kind of identical thread from two days ago, also written by SMBH. So what did he really do? Write this one first, then travel back in time and write the other one?
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/5381
HyperNova
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:39 AMMaybe! I guess anything is possible when time-travel is involved. I guess SMBH is into the topic a lot. :-)
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 6:52 AM@ SS - very good and valid point.
The main reason why fans suggest the idea of time travel in Prometheus is because of the appearance of the SJ pilot in Alien.
[b]DALLAS:[/b]
"Been dead a longtime. Looks fossilized"
What he thought he saw was the skeletal remains of a long dead alien creature. When most people think of a long dead skeleton, they think of Dinosaur skeletons on display in history museums, which themselves are sourced from fossils. Therefore Dallas suggests the creature is fossilized, despite the fact it is not. Remember, he was just the captain of tug boat, and not a very effective one at that.
Had Ash accompanied them he would have corrected Dallas, stating that the pilot was most likely mummified. because fossilization requires the remains of a creature to be buried under layers of sediment, which the SJ pilot was so clearly not.
Furthermore, mummification can happen to a body in a relatively short period of time, in a dry and cold environment, and Acheron LV-426 was dry and cold in Alien.
And lets not forget that what Dallas, Kane and Lambert actually saw was the remains of bio-mechanical suit, which may have decayed when its host died.
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 6:40 AMMany times people revisit their own theories and start new threads, this fine, just so long as the thread is not identical and it is not done to extremes...
SMBH obviously feels that time travel may play a part in Prometheus, despite the evidence against it. We will find out soon enough.
SaintsSinphony
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:41 AMhttp://www.prometheus-movie.com/search.php?search=time+travel
lots of discussion on time travel
i'd bet anything there are isn't any kind of time travel in the film
the reason i don't think so is Weyland (the company) would be trying to create or recreate time travel if it happened, not go finding some alien that is hostile and keeps costing them billions in lost equipment
Vandyke
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:54 AMcraigamore wrote a nice answer in the other thread, saying why RS never would use time travel for his movie plots. And I hope that this is not going to happen, because that would disappoint me strongly.
But FTL travel does change the timeline, and the Prometheus is a FTL ship if I got it right. So if RS wants to do it really correct, then the Prometheus is going to land on LV 223 in a future which is ahead their travel time, leaving the homes on earth in the past forever. But I guess RS is going to ignore this for sake of the story, and maybe this little trip to another solar system does not make e big deal in time difference.
I think it was Alistair McLean (or Vernor Vinge?) who wrote a really clever sequence about a guy trying to rescue his wife, who has travelled to close to a black hole and gets caught. So he needs a really fast and strong ship to get near to her (in space and time!), and also to get out of the black hole influence. Can't remember what happened then, but definitely they time travelled, and were trapped in future.
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 7:06 AMFTL... (sigh)
This has also already been touched upon...
If FTL exists in prometheus it exists in Alien and Aliens, yes.
Now in Aliens Ripley states that she promised her daughter that she would be back before her daughters 11th birthday, when she took the trip depicted in Alien. In Alien the crew stated that they were only half way home when they were woken up to investigate the Derelict. The system they was in, Zeta 2 Reticuli is 39 light years from Earth, therefore Thedus, where the Nostromo had been would be at least 78 light years from Earth.
Put simply a vessel that traveled using FTL over a distance of 156 light years (78 there, 78 back) would return to Earth more than 11 years in the future if time dilation (which is still theoretical) was a factor, therefore Ripley could not have made that promise to her daughter.
The key factor here is M-Theory, if proven true and used in conjunction with FTL space travel, time dilation would be mute. Essentially, the ship would travel the distance outside the fabric of space-time, much like the hyper-space idea seen in star-wars. Or in other words - wormholes.
Kane77
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:15 AMthe reason why RS dont use FTL in movies is because its unpractically. ..you would only go back into [i]your own parallel time lines[/i]. Into one of theoretically thousands possible (or better likeley) time lines at a certain point of the past you decided to go at that time... time is not a linear phenomenon afaik..
Vandyke
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:18 AMWell thanks Snorkelbottom, I never heard of M-Theory because I am only a SF-fan, not a physicist. So please have some patience with me or other fans in this board when we speak about things which may be totally clear to you. I guess you have to read many of these threads every day, while I just can come in, join and enjoy a discussion which I find interesting.
I just wanted to point out that there is no way back through time. If some theory says "yes, we can go faster-than-light and even mute the time dilation", well then fine. Perfect for Ridley Scott and for me, too.
HyperNova
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:18 AMSMBH did say that they felt the Bio Suit was breached somehow and that caused the occupant to be exposed to the atmoshpere which could have had a reaction to the remains of his body or exposed to the space time continuum which he was in some way able to mask himself from being a part of. This exposure he thinks to these combination of elements may have been what caused the effects we see to his apparant skeletal remains.
As for the Ridley Scott interview just posted on here by Snorkelbottom I just watched it and to be fair Ridley Scott vaguely speaks of the signal, he speaks of millions of years in the past and millions of years in the future. He doesn't confim anything that hints at time travel as far as I can see but so far there is nothing to dismiss it out of hand either.
Still unsure! Suspicious! Sereptitious! Insideous! Conspiratorial!
Vandyke
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:21 AM@ Kane77
I'm not so sure RS is not using FTL in this movie. In fact I think he is.
Following is an excerpt from the site http://www.weylandindustries.com/transportation
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FTL
Weyland was the first to practically apply faster-than-light theory to its fleet of SEVs. We continue to outshine our competitors, making FTL ships that are safer, stronger and more maneuverable than any on the market.
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allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:23 AM@Snorkelbottom
Time dilation is not, "still theoretical", it is actual and demonstrable.
Vandyke
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:29 AM## Time dilation is not, "still theoretical", it is actual and demonstrable.
Yes, and combined with the fact that RS obviously is going to show FTL in the movie, and that he rather is a "hard" SF movie maker, he either is going to show the effect of time dilation (the 5.5 years or more moving ahead in future with FTL) or he will make it even more complicated and let Weyland and the crew speak to the movie viewers about things like "M-Theory", moving through wormholes and all this other stuff.
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 7:35 AMAs stated in my previous post, time dilation is not a factor here because of what I referred to in Aliens.
Furthermore a recent Time Dilation experiment showed unexpected results - two atomic clocks where positioned, one at sea level and another higher up. According to Time Dilation theory the clock that was higher up should have been running faster, yet the results actually showed the clock was running slower, the complete opposite of what Time Dilation theory predicted.
HyperNova
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:46 AMAnd to be fair again, just because we don't see F.T.L travel going on doesn't mean it is NOT going on in the Alien - Prometheus universe. I mean it was stated by Saint Symphony that time travel may not be used in the film.
Saint Symphony
"i'd bet anything there are isn't any kind of time travel in the film. The reason i don't think so is Weyland (the company) would be trying to create or recreate time travel if it happened, not go finding some alien that is hostile and keeps costing them billions in lost equipment."
Well couldn't they just simply be wanting to do both? Why walk when you can ride!!!!
We may not see it put on film to watch but maybe it is going on as a secretive subplot intention on behalf of Weyland. Maybe he has always been in contact and in some way in cahoots with the Bio Engineers to provide them with healthy human specimens in return for not messing around too much with Earth because it would affect him too and he surely wouldn't be that stupid to put his own mortality on Earth in jepordy? He sends ships out and they become the specimens provided to them maybe as a "deal" being struck between two alien cultures.
HyperNova
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 10:41 AMNot to me SnorkelBottom! Type away! Please! :-)
11 dimesnsions so the theory, M-Theory goes, and there may be more.
Like a symphony the five seperate theories of Quantum Mechanics Gravity I'm not sure I remeber all the rest, Electromagnetics, Light I think and one other or one may be wrong but if you stepped up and back far enough then the five apparantly "conflicting" theories are themselves the one single unified "Theory of Everything" that is stitched together and underpinned by super-string theory.
So SMBH speaking of the three levels of the universe should well have included these elements too! Text would have been longer to read though!
Vandyke
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:55 AMI totally agree that time travel certainly is not what RS is going to focus on. I'm sure all will be about humanity, intelligence, life forms, and scaring the living shit out of us. Just like Alien.
HyperNova
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:58 AMWhere is Super-Massive Black Hole anyway? You started all this! lol!
allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 8:39 AM@Snorkelbottom
Whether it's a factor or not, (according to you), doesn't change the fact that it is, (contrary to you), an actual and observable effect - and not "theoretical".
I'm curious: to what recent experiment, that contradicted General Relativity, do you refer?
I'm also a little curious, now, as to how it is you're suggesting M-theory would - or could, possibly - combine with FTL to produce an effect of travel outside of Space and Time....
Could you please explain? You may be as detailed as you please.
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