My proposed Last 8 min and Alien Link...

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Not long untill we find out what goes on in Prometheus and its Alien link...... or not.... Here is what i thought would/should have happened to give us enough Answers about the Xeno Eggs on LV 426 while keeping a lot of the Mystrey and allowing us to close the Door on the Xeno, and thus make this movie not a direct prequel. When i first saw the trailers and at the time before we saw many spoilers, concerning David 8 and Shaws interaction with the Engineer. I thought the movie would link to Alien as follows... Dead Engineers..... how and why? Ghost Engineers.... running away from something why? Only one alive Engineer his sarcophagus intact, with 3 sarcophagus with what looks to be holes near the chest area.... how come? Then with the cast credits and sacrefice Engineer, i thought we would see those scenes a little how we have in trailers with no explanation, i.e David will not find out what they was running from. Maybe only hint he gets is that something they created or messed about with backfired. The End scene we would have a flash back like the Water Fall, begining of time scene. I would assume that scene would show us the Derelict leaving LV223 with the Eggs on board, we would see the Engineer get into his seat and then go to the Derelict in space.... then show the Derelict lose controll a bit and crash land on LV 426.... we then pan to the Egg Chamber with one Egg open... Thats all they would have had to had shown, no Xeno, no Face Hugger, no Engineer Chest Buster, or even how he gets Face Hugged. This would have allowed us to join the dots to sugest that something went wrong hundreds of years ago and killed all but 2 Engineers, one managed to take away the Derelict that contained the deadly cargo and attempt to quarantine or get rid of the Organism, only the Cargo was breached/compremised not long after setting off and that LV 426 was the closet barron place that the Cargo could be settled down on to quarantine it.... This would have given us the explanation for Alien.... without.... Seeing a single Xeno or Face Hugger Seeing how they was created... we would assume in simular fassion to the Organism and Events that transpire in Prometheus. It would allow Ridley to shut the door on the Alien Xeno, the fan boys get their explanation those who want it a Mystrey still get their Mystrey. The movie is not a direct prequel, because the end of it is a flash back to a event that happened hundreds if not thousands of years prior and is responsible for the decline and downfall off the Engineers on LV223. Thats what i would have done, but the again we have Lindelof so we dont know what we are in store for..... You see the Spaits contained Xeno and Face Hugger and Eggs.... The Hijacked Lindelof has none of these and maybe its just a SMOKE MONSTER. The Prometheus plot that Lindelof and Ridley finalised with something simular to what i have put above would have given closure on the Xeno, while the main movie has nothing to do with them.

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I have posted something similar along those lines. My thoughts were that the holo that we see David watching is of one Engineer legging it out of there, being pursued or closely followed by a gang of engineers. Why is he running away? My thoughts were the same, that he escapes with a lethal cargo and crashes on LV426. Why. 1. because he is evil and wants to destroy the universe and it backfires on him or 2. the rest of them are evil and he trys to take their toys away, locks them in and kills them then makes off and tries to destroy the cargo. That would work for me. The film can then touch on how lifeforms (Xeno's) may have been created in the first place. I am optimistic about the film, although Lindelof is involved and he has the bad press over Lost, RS has to sign off on the final idea (along with Fox) and I have every faith in RS.

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I posted this as a reply in another thread @BigDave Sorry man, for me that is still too much. It's just something the doesn't really need to be shown. I'm starting to think the mural we see that looks like the alien is what births from an engineer(which explains the differences between it and the xeno we commonly know). That is what birthed from the jockey in the '70 film. Combined some more human DNA in it and we have our alien. The mural is all that is needed at that point to put a lot of mysteries to rest. Most people seem more interested in what that creature looked like more then how the ship got there....or why it is there. And it is subtle enough that someone like me won't go "wow, that just told way more then it needed too".

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Oh also just because they said we would see no Derelict Crash on LV 426 or Cargo of Eggs..... Does not mean that this is what occurs to Engineer and Derelict at a latter time in this movie, this movie could end at a time prior to the Derelict taking back off.... or prior to another one setting off. Just as Star Wars Revenge of the Sith, shows us Anakin being transformed into Mechanical Vader that we all know and love..... Where as Phantom Menace was a Star Wars Prequel we never got to see Anakin change into the Iconic Robot Suit that incases whats left of the former Jedi's body. I think maybe thats the kind of same hint that we could get in this movie... We really dont know whats going on untill we see the movie, maybe they have been playing with us and the movie would have more to do with a Prequel, maybe its a Prequel to the Prequel.. Just as Star Wars Revenge of the Sith is more of a Direct Prequel to Star Wars a New Hope, where as Phantom Menace does not Directly prequel Star Wars a New Hope. Ridley has hinted that the Alien Fanboys will get their wish and will leave satisfied in one interview. In another he says that the last 8 mins will directly tie to Alien, and that it will over a exlpanation and Alien fans will be happy. He also said we would see Alien DNA in those last 8 mins. By how they said we would not see a scene like how i mentioned in the Orginal Post..... Means we must see the Proto Xeno or Xeno Progenitor at the end of the movie... If thats so, then how do they shut the door on the Xeno and not to a Prometheus 2 that follows said Organism?

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"4) Maybe visit other Engineers who seed other areas of the Galaxy maybe hundreds of light years from Earth..... Thus has mankind only been seeded on Earth, did the Engineers also seed us on other far far away Solar Systems." That sounds good to me. I'm a bit sick of "origins" movies to tell the truth. And the xeno franchise is done and gone. So... what's next? I would like to watch a movie with the SJ race doing whatever they do, without any kind of ties to the alien franchise. It would be strange and weird, but if done the right way it could be a visual feast. Maybe even without any kind of dialogs [or just a voice-over now and then].

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lol there is already a movie about werecats. it's called Sleepwalkers.

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Lets see what the plot of this movie is regarding Organisms not inc Humans and Space Jockeys and lets even throw out Cobrahuggers.... Lindelof said the movie is about the Progenitor...... that has to mean something that evolved from something. Like how Ape could be consider part of the Progenitor Cycle to mankind... Or Dinosaur is to Bird. Ridley said its about how Mommy meets Daddy..... this implies its about something new being born or created from two seperate beings. Parents. If both comments are regarding the event of Alien, then it has to imply that something created from the events 30 years Prior to Alien eventually gives rise to what ever the Nostromo crew came into contact with in Alien. A large part of the plot has to do with Shaws Baby, i think its one of the parts of the movie that is interesting and may be a iconic part of the movie for Ridley. Thus we can assume that Shaw or her Baby are the Mommy in regards to Ridleys above comment. The thing is, this would leave more questions than answers at the end of the movie, and if indeed Ridley is hinting that the Xenos trace their ancestory back to Shaws Baby at some point, then if he does a Prometheus 2 he has to not even visit Shaws Baby or indeed a lot of what happens in regards to Human Contact with the Organisms on LV 223 as to avoid eventually having to go and revisit the Xeno.... Does the Engineer live in this movie.... if he is the same one as in Alien then nope.... even if he is not then he would be the last surving one who by the looks of things does not make it after this movie. So a Prometheus 2 can not go back to the Space Jockey as far as staying within a Progesion of the timeline..... How much information gets back to Earth and the Corperation of Weyland after this movie.... surely only Shaw and Vickers survive? It would apear at the very least Shaw survives and i dont think she would let the Corp know or find out what they found down their, she would do her best to make sure what ever she says, will make no one want to go back there..... The best excuse would be there was nothing really to find. The only logical way they can follow on with Prometheus 2 is... 1) A Rebooted franchise like how Dark Knight Trilogy is to the Batman Anthology. 2) A Prequel to Alien. 3) Visit the Engineers back in time at a time before what ever Chaotic event nearly killed them all off. 4) Maybe visit other Engineers who seed other areas of the Galaxy maybe hundreds of light years from Earth..... Thus has mankind only been seeded on Earth, did the Engineers also seed us on other far far away Solar Systems.

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"DOOM"... i remember watching it... can't remember the ending.

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Agreed i am not proposing what will happen, my thread was what i think should have happened to close the case... My idea would only show this process. Another Engineer call up and then sit into the chair. The ship then take off and see it fly through space. The ship (maybe after some kind of alert" making a crash landing on LV 436. Then cut to Egg Chamber and show one Egg open...... This would take up what 5 mins of the film and would close the door on Alien it would make the fanboys happy, it would not show Face Hugger, Xeno or Space Jockey getting Chest Busted. It would not tell of the process of the Xenos creations..... We would be left to assume that that scene ties in with what ever killed off the Engineers.... But thats not whats going to happen, so i really do want to see what they have in store and as far as this aspect i am concerned, i do worry the last 8 mins will be as big a disapointment as what Doom movie was. But i guess we have to wait and see.... There are a few problems with Prometheus... Ridley wants to avoid the Xeno.... its been done to death, the whole Egg, Face Hugger to Chest Buster to Xeno Cycle... To be replaced by what? Potentially a done even more to death Tentacle Monster that Face Rapes Victims and implants Tadpoles that then Mutate the Victim into something else? So Ridley wants to go away from a Alien Organism like the Xeno, by creating another.... like the Xeno. Its like saying lets make a new Howling Movie only we are sick and tired about Werewolves and its been done recently with Twilight, so we will make a movie about....... Werecats.....

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Well Lindelof is on record (in the On the Verge interview) stating that the ending will not be the derelict, full of eggs, crash landing on LV-426...if you've not seen the interview it's pretty compelling (and spoiler free!) where Lindelof discusses a lot of the approach and reasoning the creative team behind prometheus took.

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Agreed..... When i see Trailers and stuff i think..... Surely they never went to all that effort in the story about Shaws Pregnancy just for it to be killed off and have no link to Alien or no follow up in a Prometheus 2. So it has to be linked to either of the above. But their is so much interest in the Engineers.... Its a massive and bold concept, that they are not just a space fairing race who created a Bio Weapon for some purpose... But are a race who seem to have played a massive part not only in the creation of mankind, but all other life on Earth. The French Magazine Article did say that the Engineers that Prometheus are a ancient god like race who seed the Galaxy with a host of Humaniod creations.... That opens up a massive universe to explore just like the one in Star Trek.

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Hi BigDave: Well, your thoughts are good as always, the only thing I would like to add is that there already is a hint of what went on with the SJ in Alien: we can have a very good guess by watching both the Nostromo crew discovering the Derelict and what happens inside the Nostromo, so I really don't feel the need to explain what is already sugested. That being said, I really doubt Sir Ridley would tie Prometheus with Alien by showing us what happened to de SJ in the Derelict in a direct manner [I, for one, wouldn't]. Kudos, friend.

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If the Man says we will be happy, I trust him to make me happy. The rest... we'll see.

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et sirtainlee Es ah MYSTERY

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Well whatever happens I'm looking forward to it. I love effects films and some of the shots in the trailers look fanatastic. The shots of the Prometheus ship flying around are awesome, shame they have to blow it up lol. I enjoyed the Star Wars prequals for effects, the opening scene for Revenge of the Sith was stunning. We won't talk about the plots or dialogue though lol, I'm sure that won't be the case for Prometheus.

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It doesn't have to be a literal Prometheus sequel [as a tie in to Alien]. Remember Sir Ridley's 8 last minutes. The man knows what he is doing [he made it all happen for starters, so whatever he decides is pretty much the Law]. As I stated, I for one, enjoy the not-so-human-bound-story point of view. I would like to see the SJ race and doings without the appearence of Mankind. Like a Predator movie without the aliens and humans. That would be sweet.

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@David 1 Yes but this movie would then have to not inc Weyland, it would have to be about them visiting Earth in the past...... Maybe they could do it of them comming back to take some Humans away and seed them on another plannet and we follow what happens there. Or it could show us another Human Population that was seeded in another part of the Galaxy, kind of like the Humans from Battle Star Galactica. You know Engineers seed us on Earth and also on Caprica. All we remember from the end of their interaction with Earth Humans is that they wanted to wipe us out after the events of Prometheus and that at some point those Engineers had created or found a Organism that they at some point managed to land on LV 426 and this lead to Alien, Aliens and Alien 3..... Where as Prometheus 2 can follow the Humans on Caprica (i mean other Planet inhabited by Humans) and then the many many posibilities that would follow.... But it could seem that Prometheus ends with Shaw making a Transmission and then being found like Ripley was.... Which then leaves us with if Earth/Weyland find out about LV 223, surely they would go back there and if the events created the Xeno, then potentially they would incur other events that create other simular lifeforms.... If the Xeno was created prior to Prometheus, then again Earth/Weyland Corp would surely go back to LV 223 which can again lead to creation of more creatures like Shaws Baby etc, and while they are exploring that system with better ships and a Armada of ships then chances are they might find what lies on LV 426 i.e crashed ship from thousands of years ago. Thats why i have concerns with the ending, and potential Prometheus 2 because of the incontinuity with Alien Timeline, just as the AVP ones also did. Where as going back to Engineers at another time in the past, or even Engineers in a another Galaxy would avoid such things..... I just cant see how a Prometheus Franchise can run in parallel with the Alien one as far as timeline.... If its set hundreds years prior, or hundreds years after or set in a different part of the Galaxy then yes....

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I think thats the thing though, some dont want to see anything to do with the Derelict on LV 426 and how Xenos came to be, and some want some explanations. I felt what i proposed would have satisfied most people, for some who dont want no answers it would be a little too much, but a ending with no link would for some be not good enough at all. Your kind of right we do know how the Xeno came to be and Ridley has said so in the past a few times but his story keeps changing a little but there are some main points. 1) The Xeno was a Bio-Weapon.... he does not say how it was created but by that statement the Engineers must have either created them, or came across them and decided they would make the perfect Weapon thus vaguely Ridley has explained the Organism was their. 2) The Derelict was some kind of Bomber, used to Carry a Deadly Cargo.... again this shows Ridley explaining the purpose of the Ship. The above would point to that the Xeno was not something that laid Eggs on the ship, it points to something, but they actually somehow loaded the Cargo of Eggs on the ship. 3) The Derelict had to make a emergency landing or crash landing on LV 426, because one of the Cargo got lose and infected the Pilot.... this tells us that it never reached its desired destination and that the Pilot managed to land the craft on LV 426 and then set off a warning becon to warn the other Engineers that the cargo is compremised and where he had landed that cargo. So yes We know the orgins of the Xeno and Purpose and Answers but vaguely..... Like how prior to Phantom Menance we knew Vader used to be a young jedi named Anakin Walker who fought beside Obi Wan in the Clone Wars, the rest was a Mystrey. I think if there is no Alien link as such i think Ridley will/should explain it on the DVD extras, so as to clarify... As for what the movie Prometheus holds for us, we shall soon find out.

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