Lets link Prometheus to the Alien Universe

i remember seeing a few bugs before the goo started to slip out of urns (and so i think the goo changes bugs in cobralien) i can't see the connection between urns and alieneggs. the black goo transforms fifield into a dumb agressive atacker. but holoway was slow leaving him time to humanly put an alien in shaw and then not chanigng like fifield but looked more like disentgrating like first engineer. the engineers are a civilisation, and like all have military with military bases wherever they can put them Shaw, big question Weyland corp should know, especially with peter and vickers missing

But the creature at the end of the movie, which comes from the Engineer ... Is it an ancestor of xenomorph?

Bugs-worms ..that is the basic creature that was probably used by the engineers to "test" the black goo the urns : David said the they "transpirate"...the loss of water due to climate can happen only by a biological matter ..so even the urns are biological .

Ancestor is a big word ...its like an alien kid but is veeery differnet form a classic xeno ( until it didnt show the 2 mouths was hard to make a connection) i dont know why they didnt make it more similar to the old xeno

i know i missed something there, but, i'm still not sure what. all those urns doe something, not the one David took and the urns in the ships cargo, were nicely ranged, totally diffirent to the eggs all i can think of is the alien derelict was cruising, and ops, something goes wrong, and destructive live kilss engineers and is able to lay eggs? or transform engineers in eggs? as all goes wrong that ship crashes on lv4something

Well, definitely Prometheus is a prequel to the prequel (or a spin-off). I really like to see a sequel (even if is a parallel sequel) And I think that the cobra-hammer was originally an animal native to the planet, and maybe this creature was infected with the black goo as Fifield. But yeah, it is possible that the Cobra is a lab rat used by the Engineers in their experiments or in the design of the bio-weapon, who knows.

Links... A couple of times in the movie I came to think of John Carpenters 'The Thing'. Otherwise I too miss the 'perfect' link to Alien. There were parts where Prometheus disapointed me, but it also opened up so many new doors giving the chance to make up for it all... which I hope will be done... so sequel(s) are very welcome :-)

Why mad scientists? Isn't weyland industries built on the same principles - making things for profit? If engineers are mad scientists then so are we. None of us have empathy to keep other species on earth alive. We use them for our entertainment, so what's wrong with engineers thinking the same way.

Did they know life would start on earth after the engineer disolves? Did anyone else feel the engineers have something greek about hem?

@ShinobiX9X I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that RS wanted the Engineers to look like Greek statues, "Gods" if you will. Kinda fits the bill.

Yes they have something Greek ..something very like classical Greek or roman "gods " Sky maybe you dont care of other species on the earth but 80% of people really care ... Anyway you are right the dont look very different from the worst human beings on earth BUT they are MAD scientists , they sacrifice some of themselves to create creatures they will wipe out later , they dont even try to interact with "lesser beings" ....surely there is not Konrad Lorenz between them :p

I don't think that the events in Prometheus have any direct correlation to Alien. We're being presented a side story that only has key elements from that universe. - Engineers - Nosy humans - Weyland Corporation It's sort of like a spin-off and prevents this from being a prequel that ends where Alien begins, like RS wanted to avoid.

Frantz, I see the connection your making. The queen though I believe is the giant head in the room! If you cant see the similarity of that room with the queens room in aliens?? I think it's a clever connection and wonder if it's not something we will get answers to from the sequel.

@sky "None of us have empathy to keep other species on earth alive. We use them for our entertainment, so what's wrong with engineers thinking the same way." Speak for yourself, I'm part of WWF and a lot of people care. 1 - Probably. That would mean that the SJ's ship was attacked by the same thing that killed all others 2000 years ago. But then why didn't the Prometheus detect its warning signal? Did he leave after this movie? What if Shaw was impregnated and crashed on LV426 (improbable, RS loves Noomi). And what about Shaw's signal? What if the planet's weather changed and it actually was LV426? All the creatures that are said to have killed the engineers are supposed dead as well. Now with a protoalien around, maybe he will find another engineer still in stasis and somehow impregnate him. 3 I wouldn't say that the canisters are alive. They transpirate, but we are talking about a bioengineer civilization here, so they just built things that are partly behaving like life, but are not alive. In that scene, the new air, hotter air they bring inside is not suited for the conservation of the urns, so they deteriorate. David is able to freeze one before it breaks. The murals change too. Do they break up or do they show something else? I think they just break up. What's really odd is that green stone under the xeno mural that Holloway is looking at. He says that's "just another tomb". 5 we'll see them for sure in future movies, they are so cool. I think we'll hear them speak. 6 of course weyland industries knows about the expedition, and they'll send the Nostromo to inestigate. @Shinobi Imo, Holloway and Fifield have the same thing. The both became in contact with the goo, and Holloway was beginning to behave like a zombie.

Has it occured to any of you that perhaps the ship on LV-426 is there for a reason? Maybe a genotype/phenotype of the eggs that are produced (perhaps by the proto-xeno) ended up being the facehugger eggs? The difference between male and female? curly hair and straight hair? It's a logical explaination. OR maybe those were a complete batch of bio-weapon that they had planned to drop and the ship crashed, unlike the other ships? Even yet it could very well be an early prototype that they decided to crash on that remote planet so that no one else would find them- and the distress signal is a warning. After all, that particular juggernaut seemed to be older and missing features that the new one seems to have. Don't get me wrong, I haven't seen the film yet and am pretty much going on information that has been presented by those who have, but these seem logical to me...

I have an idea. WHAT if the hammerpede/cobrahugger/whatever you guys are calling reproduces sexually? What if the baby of two of those things isn't the bodyhugger/liverburster (I'm trying to be symbolic with the liver thing, work with me here) but... I don't know, a proto-facehugger? Or... maybe just a straight up facehugger. Think about it. The worms that mutate into those things are indigenous, right? So, that opens it up so that: 1. Jockies are well aware of the effects of the goo on those worms. They are farming them for bio-weapons (xenos). 2. An indigenous pest is infected, the discovery comes as an accident. Initially, the new bio-weapon looks miraculously powerful, and they load up a cargo ship to take it off world (doesn't end well, I'm implying this is the derelict, of course.) Not only that, but attempt to farm xenos in large numbers ends up being a really terrible idea. Errybody dies. Something like that? What if the goo goes deeper. What if it effects asexual reproduction as well? Let's say you chop a cobra/hammer in half, does the "daughter" become a facehugger? Maybe the link is more obvious: maybe the bodyhugger just has to impregnate a human. Thinking about that, a "jockey alien" would really be a human + bodyhugger = facehugger + jockey. So then, that means that everything the bodyhugger plants a baby in is different as a base. So, if the creature at the end of Prometheus lays eggs, and it eventually ends up making a dog alien, it will REALLY be a Dog Proto-Alien. See what I'm getting at? This is fun! :D

The link to Alien is the mural and the end scene. Obviously the xenomorphs exist already due to the fact of the derelict craft crashed on LV-426. The mural confirms that the Engineers created the xenomorphs long before the Prometheus visits LV-223. I see the mural as a tribute to one of their greatest creations. If you study the details of the mural you can see the facehuggers on bottom left and bottom right. And it looks like above the xenomorph, you can see the stalks which hold the Queens ovipositor...

@Blood @Frantz, [quote]Sky maybe you dont care of other species on the earth but 80% of people really care ..[/quote] [quote]Speak for yourself, I'm part of WWF and a lot of people care.[/quote] Sorry to disagree. 80% is again hearsay or vague number frantz. And like it or not, joining NatGEO and WWF doesn't mean people have empathy towards showing species. It's business, vet career or whatever. People are making career into this domain because they have their agenda. We kill plenty of organism when we filter the river water or prepare food and also when we walk in park or use plastic. So supporting such organizations or caring of few handful animals doesn't mean people have empathy, they have agenda. We all have agendas to survive. It takes time for people to realize that saving species in our spare time makes it more like agenda and not empathy. Keeping these species alive and killing them is also part of some agenda. P:S - I have pets at home and to be more clear I am the only person with multiple pets in apartment, I am the one who argue with pet shop owners for keeping pets in ill health and still I hold these opinions. @Bishop_341B [quote] Has it occured to any of you that perhaps the ship on LV-426 is there for a reason?[/quote] Yes. I posted about this in another thread.

Yes of course, I'm with WWF because I want money.... Hopefully the whole world isn't composed of greedy people, and idealists do exist, whether you like it or not. If you can't understand that I don't care, I just find it insulting that you do not realize that a lot of the good stuff going on is thanks to people that devote their lives to good cause, and I'm not talking about myself here. Discussion closed for me.

Here is a theory: ****(SPOILER ALERT)***** An Engineer ship drops off one of thier own on a pre-human Earth. The Engineer drinks the black slime, and molecularly  breaks down, falling into the water, causing a chemical reaction to form the amoeba, eventually evolving to make humans.  Team Shaw and Weyland trek to LV 223 as a result of archaeologic and astrological evidence on Earth of the Engineer(s), believing it to be their creators' home planet. They arrive.  There are TWO heads on the mountains vast terrain.  One of them, from what I remember, is where they proceeded, leading them inside the Engineers' ship underground. There, they find many black vases filled with the black slime. They also get a first hand holographic view of the Enginners running from something, trying to escape to the cockpit hull. Obviously most of them didn't. Because there were engineer bodies with holes in thier chests, suggest they were impregnated with something that burst from within.  One engineer could have been infected with this unknown abomination that the Engineers manifested, and escaped to another ship somewhere else on the planet, as would not have been seen in the hologram playback that Shaws team viewed.  If this sole engineer left LV 223 and headed towards another planet either already being used as a post or just a suitable planet nearby, a queen xenomorph could have emerged from it's chest during its landing, killing the Engineer, and crashing the ship, the way you see it in ALIEN.  Weyland's company then sends Ripley and the crew to touchdown there.  (Shaw and David go to the other head on the mountain and man the other engineer ship out of LV 223 to beyond) Mutagen combinations: Black slime ingested by Engineer in H20= amoeba life form Black slime with LV 223 (looks like) meal worms makes them into face hugger like snakes, infected human host becomes hostile.  Black slime directly ingested by human male, followed by immediate copulation with human female, produces a squid like face hugger within the female. This offspring at full size when impregnating an Engineer orally, will produce a new xenomorph, not unlike the one we're used to seeing in all the Alien movies.  So what combination was used to make our xenomorph? It all lies in the scene aforementioned above with the Engineers running from something.....I'm thinking it was the one we know and love.  

1) Its shows the Derelict are the same kinds of craft, it is not the same one that lands on LV 426 though and i doubt that Shaw and Davids one also lands on LV 426. I would assume the Derelict in Alien has been there for over 2000 years by the time Nostromo's Crew find it. 2) I agree that the Black Substance can be used as a Weapon, but i am not sure that the exact purpose of it is intended for that, just the Engineers abused the substance that was used to create life, to then create other experiments. I dont think the Worm things are the basic form or anything, i think the worms may be something the crew may had brought into the ship from outside the temple. My theory and thus not FACT, is that maybe the substance that the Sacrifice Engineer used to break down his DNA into a substance that can then become the building blocks to mutate and create lifeforms that carry some DNA traits of the Engineer. If this is what the substance did, then surely if they wanted to they could have have captured the matter that was broken down from the Engineer and contain the broken down Engineer DNA into a Canister rather than let it dilute into the Water Fall. This brings me to the Xeno, i assume it is a life form they found or created, that was very difficult to contain, control and store... Storing Alien Eggs has very huge risks..... So maybe they used the same substance that the Sacrificial Engineer used, on the Xeno to break down its DNA and contain it into the Urn/Canisters. I thus propose that the Urns Black Goo is derived from Alien broken down Xeno DNA as opposed to created from it. 3) As above i think the Canisters are used to store broken down DNA of the Xeno, that can then be used to create and mutate organisms into organisms that carry the Xeno Bio Weapons DNA. As a safer way to store and deploy a Bio Weapon with similar traits to the Xeno. 4) Agree, i think they messed about with the Black Goo in ways that it may not have been intended, we still do not know why they wanted to create us to kill us... and create us to use as hosts for Xenos is well pointless. So i assume that the Engineers on LV 223 Stole/Abused the Black Stuff from the others or higher power/creators from their home world... this would explains some potential plot holes as i propose that either. a) The Engineers/Creators on the Home World do not know about the creation of Man, or maybe Even LV 223. b) Maybe they do but they had been wiped out... i.e a rogue faction created the Xeno to wipe out their home world/creators. c) A failed attempt of b).... 5) Well returning to Earth would lead to plot holes as far as Aliens universe as then Earth/Weyland Ind etc would have seen a Derelict.... Maybe the Engineers are dead... but then with no Engineers or Humans, Prometheus 2 would be a bland movie of David and Shaw.... I assume they find Engineers, who maybe do not even know what happened on Earth or LV 223... as surely if the home world wanted Mankind Dead then why had they not sent missions to see the status of the LV 223 outpost and if it had succeeded in its mission. Shaw turns up with decapitated David, to a World Full of either Engineers who want us dead, or Xenos or killed them off.... doubt Shaw and David would last long in any case. 6) I dont think Weyland knew 100% in Alien what they was dealing with as far as Xenos.... i think they would have some idea that the crew of Prometheus had found something that could be used as a Bio Weapon. Maybe they find Shaws Message prior to sending out Nostromo who knows. I would assume that after the events of Prometheus and Prior to Alien something happens to LV 223 so as that there is nothing left to explore or find. This would be scope to have it covered in Prometheus 2 or 3.

As far as the Xeno Deacon.... I think it was there to give us a hint of what kind of life form can be created as a series of events regarding the Urns contents and interaction with lifeforms. It is something that can not be ruled out as the Proto Xeno but then also something that does not get explained to be as such, so its left open. I think that was the whole idea of the ambiguity, as the Mural looks like the Deacon but also has Face Huggers, they are teasing us with clues that can contradict so as that we cant get a 100% answer and so we have to speculate and assume. As far as links to Alien, well basically its some back ground on Weyland, who the Engineers/Space Jockey was (only not in Detail, thats where Prometheus 2 comes in) what the Derelict Ships seemed to be used for, and that some how the Black Substance in those Urns is connected DNA wise to the Xeno, but is it a substance that can create and has created Xenos in the past, or a substance derived from the Xeno? Maybe Prometheus 3 would give us that answer.

@ShinobiX9X Ridley has now said what the Derelict on LV 426 was, and maybe he could have shown what he has stated for the reasons it landed on LV 426 in Prometheus. All they had to show was a flash back scene with no date... so we dont know if its in past, present or future to Prometheus... shown a Derelict in Space, show it heading to a Gas Giant with 4 moons.... then pan to the Cargo Hold with Xeno Eggs and show one either.... Open already, or better show one open up and we got to see the fingers of the Face Hugger but thats it. No Xeno, No Full Face Hugger, No Fave Hug Scene or Chest Buster, No scene of the Engineer or who was in the suit....... This would give more of a clue, but still have the mystery.. The above in a scene would had made some happy... but Ridley has already said the above and why, here is what he hinted at. 1) The Derelict was carrying a Bio Weapon Cargo of Eggs. 2) It was heading to a destination (does not say where) but one of the Cargo got lose. 3) These caused the Pilot to have to set the Derelict down on LV426 it was not the intended destination and had to make a unplanned and crash landing. 4) This occurred a few hundred years prior to the events/outbreak on LV 223 that happened around 2000 years ago. From those clues Ridley had given and those in Prometheus and Alien we are then and now left with these questions that may never be answered. 1) Where was that Derelict going and Why? 2) How and when was the Xeno created and Why?

Ultimately I am assuming that what ever got those jockeys on Lv 223 got our pilot on the derelict at the same time? so there is a time factor involved. I found it interesting that all the pile of dead jockeys had Helmets and where did all those guys go in the Head room once the door closed. UMmmmm PORTAL Once your snorked your dorked. If the temples are used to produce and store these canisters with bio-altering goo could it be possible that facehuggers are produced somewhere else or from the same place? Leaving the question is the derelict going or leaving the LV sector of space. I still like the original idea they had of the Eggs sacks having tentacles and moved around on the derelict. Perhaps the derelict it's self uses the canisters to product the eggs and humans are produced somewhere else to make Xenos. [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yNA62hgcWDg/St9hIAZHZbI/AAAAAAAAARE/XEycFl7dvP0/s320/xeno2.jpg[/img]