Is Prometheus just a rehash of avp???? (spoiler-free)

Gutted
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Saw Prometheus last night and have to say I'm devasted so much potential wasted
The basic story is this aliens made man,man searches for answers answers lead to the possible destruction of man
Call me cynical but this is the basic plot outline of avp set in space without xeno's or predators just with a bigger budget
The underlying feeling for me is that Prometheus could have been so much more instead we get a below average sci fi mish mash that finishes half way through I hope they can pull it round in the sequel but I fear the damage done by Prometheus is to great. :-(
Your thoughts will be appreciated
June 02, 2012
just a point on the post regarding evolution and the origin of man and ultimately life.
there is a school of thought that life emerged from space via comets/astroids that bought some organic matter with them. also, because of the complexity of DNA many find it hard to beleive it formed by chance in the relitively short lifespan of earth. but if you extend your time limits to the lifespan of the universe then it becomes slightly more likely.
as i understand it, RS spoke to scientists some beleived in a 'god' others didnt.
as for the DNA left by the engineer on early earth, then maybe what its trying to say is that Humans are the ultimate form of the evolutionary process. or the humanoid form will always evolve given the right circumstances once ameoba/viruses/bacteria has formed. basically its written in the DNA to form life and ultimate life form is the humanoid form. like the engineers. may be thats why they have a huge head structure on the planet visited. Also after engineers there is no further evolution, as our DNA only limits us to that.
We are yet to see where the engineers origins are and are there other life forms that have differant origins from this DNA. the xenos for a start probably have differant origins - most speculating they are created as bio weapons. Also there must be a third so far unseen part who are fighting the engineers.
June 02, 2012
"[b]Doesn't Ash retain the power of speech too? Similarly decapitated?[/b]"
Not before Ripley sticks a few thousand volts through him!!
June 02, 2012
@GLS
Yeah was Ridley just paid off and the automaton Fox Execss rubbed their hands thinking they where creative geniuses in the editing suite??
I mean its so badly edited I dont know how Ridley let this through....
Like I have said in a previous thread....74 year old multi multi millionaires are not on the cutting edge of creativity.
June 02, 2012
@back not the worst movie ever..But the cheese just ruined it..I mean when Ridley watches this back, does he not think "Gee that scene is so lame and cliche, I better just cut it out"..I dont think he had control of this movie
June 02, 2012
So disapointed about prometheus...even, let's say ...angry ! 150 million dollars for that...what a waste.
June 02, 2012
Regardless of personal opinion, to say this is the worst movie someone has seen at the cinema just undermines the conversation. That is obviously a ridiculous exaggeration. Unless of course one has only seen one film.
June 02, 2012
And one last thing. Nowhere does this film deny evolution. The jockeys DNA breaks down and seeds original life. That's not to say a fully formed human leapt from the water five minutes later. And it's not to say it wasn't in Africa. I didn't see a sign saying "Iceland" behind him. It was just a barren planet.
June 02, 2012
they laughed in my showing also..at least 2 scenes..one where there is a certain music instrument
it's bad because it wasn't supposed to be funny
June 02, 2012
IMO Waterworld was much better (Not that I enjoyed that), everyone remembers Waterworld right? The most expensive movie ever made at the time? With Kevin Costner?
Waterworld? No...? Umm..
Maybe because it was not 99% viral hype? I dont know...
Tbh I think Prometheus is the worst movie I have ever seen in a cinema, and I have been subjected to Will Smith in Enemy of the State, which was far more enjoyable than Prometheus (even though I did not think much of that either)
I have also had to sit through several chick flicks at the movies that my GF wanted to see... This is just my opinion, everyone else are entitled to theirs too.
I ignored the bad reviews, just like everyone else, I stayed away from spoilers, and went into see the movie with an open mind, not even looking for a monster movie, or knowing what to expect.
I will look on the bright side, and say, I got some free 3d glasses... thats about it..
June 02, 2012
Hello,
I agree with you all !!
I have seen the movie.
First of all, I don't care about what RS, the critics, the actors, say about it. Only the movie speaks for itself, and lives its own life once it is released.
I just went to see it to get my own opinion (full of hope and excitement) I go to the cinema to get emotions, I wanted to feel fear, amazement, surprise...and I felt nothing like that.
Of course the 3D and the special effects are amazing, but this is not what is important for me: what is fascinating about Alien and Aliens (and Abyss and many other movies scifi or not) is that you get involved with the characters: they "drag" you inside the story because they have a true personality (that you like..or not!), you have feelings for them, you are transported in "their" reality. And why that ? because you have from the start a good (and I insist on the word "good") story. Even if it is not a very "intellectual" story (look at the marines in Aliens…), who cares, what counts is just the emotions you feel while watching it. So, I could get "intellectual" about prometheus by telling " This is the best sci fi movie compared to what we have seen on the screen recently..."
What would that mean, if I felt nothing while watching ?? I am honest.
I wanted (well I am trying, as my English is not perfect) to be clear because a lot of people think that the ones disappointed, like me, where expecting another Alien: this is not true; we were just expecting something new, different from everything we have seen before, something that would surprise, amaze us, like Alien did in its time 30 years ago (nobody was expecting this movie and it remains intemporal which is for me the mark of a very good film).
Cinema is about emotions, and you can't control emotions, they overwhelm you. And they are universal. Which character left a trace in you in Prometheus ? I still don’t understand this fascination for Noomi Rapace or Fassbender, and here again, I am not making a comparaison with Ripley and Ash; but I just expected new characters with strong personalities; I wanted to like them, or dislike them, just wanted to feel something !
Hope somebody can understand this…or am I the only one feeling this way ??
June 02, 2012
yep -same in my cinema - actually I got a laugh of disgust...
SPOILER AHEAD
from the guy sat next to me when Body Hugger "impregnated" engineer.
Gutted - check out my review - we share many views.
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/6340
June 02, 2012
"the audience were sniggering and laughing in my cinema, and believe me not in a good way.the moment this happens you know the movie is lost"
Lots of that where I was as well.
(SPOILER AHEAD)
Mainly at the bit after the Engineer encounter. Amazing how David maintained the power of speech!!! Caused lots of dissapointed sniggers that bit.
June 02, 2012
Are we posting stuff like this in the non-spoiler section, now? You, just because I actively searched for every scrap of info on the monster I could find doesn't mean some americans aren't still waiting until it comes out there to know certain things about the plot.
So, I want to give you my opinion on the matter, because I think you raise a very important point, but I don't know what's safe to say here.
But since I assume it's pretty obvious the invlovement space jockies are given with "engineering" humans in the movie, I'll go with the direct comparison between those two aspects.
In that regard, Prometheus is a failure on every level. In AvP Paul Anderson (who is a total monster movie dork, and makes movies that don't try to shove made up religions down your throat but that try to create a plausible mythology that can be appreciated by dorky alien fans like myself) takes Erich von Daniken's observation about so many cultures who could have never met using these pyramid shaped building for temples or ceremonial purposes. He supposes that Erich was right in thinking that aliens taught us how to build them and were revered as the gods that were ficitonalized because, at the time, we didn't understand the concept of space travel.
Fun. Safe. Interesting. Very cool. Requires you to check some reality at the door, but no more than you would any other monster movie, where you have an expectation that Gamera is an ancient Atlantean bio-weapon in the first place, so it doesn't break suspension of disbelief anymore than you were asked to when you bought a ticket.
Prometheus attempts to take it a bit further. Thing is, if you try to take it any further, you have to establish certain things, meaning there is another level of connection to the real world that has to be lost, because now you're talking about stuff which is NOT ambiguous and can be read about on something as readily available as wikipedia if you were really interested.
Case in point: the movie STARTS when two ARCHAEOLOGISTS, who are supposed to be SMART, look for the ORIGINS OF HUMANS anywhere other than AFRICA. Even the dumbest of the dumb can type in "human evolution" on google, and find a wikipedia page that will tell you, point blank, that humans evolved in Africa, NOT outer space.
So it doesn't work because it's asking more from the audience than a movie of this type should. But more than that, the role jockies played in the creation of humans ISN'T EVEN DIRECT. We're talking about seeding life at it's earliest stage just as the Elder Things were said to have done on accident. We're talking about a pure coincidence that the life seeded by Jockies billions of years ago somehow evolves to look EXACTLY like the jockies while the jockies themselves haven't changed one bit in 4 billion years. Because even though we are made of the same stuff, and even bacteria evolve, space jockeys are completely stagnant.
It's not that science fiction shouldn't have an element of fiction, but usually the stuff you ignore are the really hard sciences like physics. Fuck the inverse square law, I want a giant monster, that sort of thing. When you mess around with the most basic understanding of our planet and ourselves, you're destroying any connection the film might have had with the real world, and so rather than creating an immersive fictional history that builds on previously established concepts in both the previous films and the real world, you get high-fantasy in some ass-backwards corny 50's sci-fi b-movie where all the aliens look exactly like humans and speak perfect english but no explanation is given.
There are other direct connections to AvP that if I mentioned would risk being spoiler-y, so I won't go there. But I did want to elaborate on this as much as I could because, frankly, I find it insulting to my intelligence that Ridley has assumed I'm religious.
Of course, for how stupid the "plot" is, it hasn't effected my anticipation to see the... other connection to AvP. :P
June 02, 2012
yeah it was a waste..I will still buy it for individual 'scenes', but the movie overall is a mess, with the last 30 mins being 'embarrasing'.
the audience were sniggering and laughing in my cinema, and believe me not in a good way.the moment this happens you know the movie is lost
June 02, 2012
I am not sure where all the people that like this movie are coming from. One person in front of me told his friend he thought the movie was shit. Some people walked out before the end of the movie too. Maybe alot of people who have something to do with Fox come to this site to post or something? Just does not seem to make much sense IMO.
June 02, 2012
@Gutted a combo of sheep mentality, employees and families of Fox, critics bribed (notice how the newspapers all give it a good review? BRIBE anyone?)
If this is a classic, then Jurassic Park and T2 are an orgasmic out of body experience where you see God and he opens the doors to heaven with a smile on his face type experience