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spiral
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 9:14 PMI just watched this awesome film and was confused about a few things, then suddendly it all made sense; in my explanations I call the engineers the pre-humans:
- The pre-humans are under control of the aliens, and in fact the
pre-humans may have been created by the aliens. The aliens need the
pre-humans to gestate which is why they don't just kill them outright;
the aliens use the pre-humans to mother their young. It's no
coincidence that the alien at the end kills the pre-human by injecting
part of itself into the pre-human through the pre-human's mouth - just
like the alien did in the first part of the film with the human
(biologist guy wearing glasses) and indeed to John Hurt's character in
the first alien film. All of this shows that the aliens breed or at least use humans/pre-humans
as incubators for their young. This is the key key point.
Unfortunately the gestation results in death for the carrier, so the
aliens need a fresh supply of humans.
- The aliens (not the pre-humans) are in control, they are the ones
who seed life throughout the galaxy using the pre-humans. What kind
of life? Well, they need human life to sustain their own, so that's
what they seed. At the beginning of the film we see a pre-human who
has been dropped off onto Earth with his task ahead of him - he has to
disperse his DNA thoughout the Earth to seed life, specifically human
life. He does this by drinking that wierd black stuff (the same stuff
that David slipped in the doctor's drink?)
- The archaeologists uncover the same star-pattern all over the world
from ancient races and comment 'it's as if they wanted us to find
them'. This part is not explained, i.e. how all these images ended up
all over the world, i.e. how all these ancient races received these
images, but perhaps Earth was visited by the pre-humans when human
life evolved. Anyway, the message is clear - the aliens (and their
slave pre-humans), definitely DID want the Earth humans to find them.
- When the humans (after millions of years of evolution) travel across
space and enter the control room of the alien spaceship and wake up
the pre-human, then guess what? That's a signal that human life on
earth has evolved to the point that it could then sustain alien life.
In other words Earth is now ripe - brimming with billions of humans
who can now be incubators for the aliens. The control panel lights up
and the 3-d starmap shows Earth in red - Earth is now the next
destination for the alien's progress.
- David is asked by one of the crew what the place is they are
entering and he says "It's a cargo hold". We are also told and see
that there are thousands of pods. From previous frames in the film,
it seems to suggest that the pods are full of little worm like
creatures whose intermediate stage is the white thing in the black
soup that got the biologist guy wearing glasses. If the pods are full
of worms then that's probably enough to take over the whole of Earth.
- David says 'in order to create life you must destroy it first'.
This simply means that most of human life on Earth is now going to
perish when the aliens get there and colonise it, i.e. the aliens will
flourish and multipy, the humans will die. The alien's plan is to use most of the population as incubators and subjugate the remainder for the next stages.
The confusion in the film, stems from the fact that the captain
thinks that the pre-humans created the aliens as some kind of weapon
or biological experiment. If you turn this around, i.e. aliens
creating pre-humans, it all makes sense.
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Drakeequation
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 9:20 PM@ Sprial Is your theory that the Engineers are slaves to the Xenomorphs and seeded life on earth so the Xenomorphs would be able to breed? I'm not questioning the soundness of the ideas just trying to understand your theory.

abordoli
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 9:17 PMSo would you say you "liked" or "disliked" the movie as a whole?
-abordoli (staff)

Chris
AdminEngineerJun-02-2012 9:22 PMAn interesting take on the hierarchy of things. Didn't look at it this way myself.
Personally I still think the Engineers or "pre-humans" as you refer to them as are the ones who created the Alien as a biological weapon. It's what fits for me personally. A weapon that gets out of hand and turns on its creators. The Engineers possibly experimenting with different cross-breeds of the creature in an attempt to create one that will be obedient to it's master (the Engineers) but instead keeps failing and thus putting their failed attempts in Urns - stored away.
I would love to know what the Engineers were running away from in that one scene with David and the holographic recording. Hopefully we see some of that in Prometheus 2.
But I like your take - it's different and makes you think!
Hyped for: Alien: Romulus | Badlands (Predator 6) | Cloverfield 4

db
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 9:35 PMThough very original, there's a problem with you theory. I thought Ridley's ALIENS only live for a few days. Seems like a lot of work and a very grandiose plan to sustain a species with such a short life span.

Drakeequation
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 9:27 PMWell there is that mural with the Xenomorph on it so maybe they do worship Xenomorphs. I never thought of it that way but it kind of makes sense. Maybe there is a sect of Engineers that worships Xenomorphs religiously and want them to spread.

FREEZE!
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 9:29 PMvery interesting review, I can't wait to see this for myself! so pumped!
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Dormin
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 9:41 PMRidley confirmed that the Derelict containing the eggs on LV426 was a bomber of sorts, the Alien is a bio weapon. The worms that evolve into the penis/cobra huggers are native to the prometheus planet and not contained within the jars. I highly doubt the Aliens are in control, I'm inclinded to agree with Janek about a biological weapons facility that the engineers lost control of, did anyone consider the murals on earth may have been a warning misinterpreted as an invitation?

Chris
AdminEngineerJun-02-2012 9:36 PMYou ready for this? Perhaps WE stole technology from the Engineers (or one of the Engineers gave us tech, or enhanced intelligence to discover these technologies on our own) and in return they want to punish us with something we can't recreate.
BUT the Xenomorph itself is a stolen technology from the Engineer's superiors! And since they did not CREATE the Xenomorph, they attempt to MANIPULATE it to work WITH them instead of against them! But of course, they can't get it right and the technology backfires on them.
What do you all think?
Man's greatest gift = FIRE
Engineer's greatest gift = XENOMORPH
It's out there.. but possible.
Hyped for: Alien: Romulus | Badlands (Predator 6) | Cloverfield 4

lukka21
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 9:42 PMwhat was the green crystal in front of the xenomural , that halloway seen ? what did he say when he saw it ? ....]

Stay Frosty
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 9:55 PMthe Aliens are nothing more then a weapon! and may have come about accidently! the film doesnt give u the answer at all...The ooz is the weapon and each lifeform exposed to it reacts differently...as you will find.
Its all about the engineers Royal F**K up! the other ships may have diff cargo! as it is said there are more ships. But its all open to debate. Ur theory though does fit in with the Alien Xeno Murial in the temple but thats about it. Still dont get why shaw gives birth to a squid! and then from the squid which muatates in a matter or hours! u get a bloody Xeno!
guess Prometheus 2 and 3 will be made and fill the gap in the time line leadin upto ALIEN.

Gahlaktus
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 10:08 PMSpiral:
You're on to something! Do you remember the mural with the humanoid and the crouching creature? I've always wondered if the crouching creature didn't originally fit inside the space jockey suit--that the Engineers wear it in some kind of homage to them?
I do think that there is some further inversion in store for us, perhaps along the lines you suggest. Perhaps the world Shaw is headed toward is the home world of this crouching creature, or the xeno. Perhaps the entire experiment went wrong because the Engineers were trying to re-create some august figure from this group, and what they created backfired.
My feeling is still this, the Engineers may be space jockeys but they aren't the original group of space jockeys. I still don't think the being in the chair of the derelict on LV 426 is one of the Engineers. He is one of an original group to whom the Engineers are beholden in some way that we just don't know about. There is a mystery behind all of this that Prometheus hints at but doesn't disclose-- and that is what is pissing off some of our more enthusiastic aficionados.
Just some thoughts I've had for some time.
Best.
Xenophobia
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 10:15 PMFascinating theory!! But still it does not explain the fact that in all it's iterations the Alien or Xenomorph has never been shown as an intellectual being although malignant in it's natural state but fully capable of complex thinking on par with other sentient beings. So without further proof the Xenos still seems more like a Bio-weapon and not like an evil alien conquering mastermind.

red5
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 11:07 PMgood theory... but the xenos are not intelligent enough to be the God of engineers. Engineers can space travel, can create life and utilise tools and technology. xenos are just badasses... a bit like a lion on earth can kill any man, but a man when allowed to use his intelligence can kill andmoutsmart a million lions.
also, i just thought using this example... men have 3 Lions on a shirt to resemble bravery or represent a country i.e. England soccer team or cricket team. we dont worship the lions but we admire them.
i know prometheus is asking much deeper questions than this, like the origins of life and the origins of the creator of life/god, so i guess RS got his wish and we all are asking a lot of questions

Reaper72
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 11:12 PMVery interesting. The Xenos we see so far are drones, sent out to harvest other lifeforms to be used as incubators for their young. They're also soldiers to protect their young and Queen. As for the Queens we've so far, she may not have been the highest form in the Xeno lineage, I suspect.
Many years ago there was a thread in the AVP storyline where a higher Xeno Queen used ESP to influence the Predator king to do something (I can't quite what). Also, the original Predator world was destroyed by the Xenos.
So very interesting theory indeed. Some people didn't like this movie 'cos they had to think. Some of these people I spoke to were the same ones who didn't like movies like Fight Club 'cos they had to think!

blake_84
MemberOvomorphJun-03-2012 2:13 AMjust a side question. if the proto-xeno drone is smart enough. can he drink the black goo too and generate life like him if he searched the planet?

Custodian
MemberOvomorphJun-03-2012 2:46 AMOh, god, no no no, the OP's original idea is so far off base it's not even worth deconstructing.
The basic premise is this, there's NO LOGIC to Lindelof's cobbled together ANNUNAKI-like giants, as depicted in this film.
No logic at all, it's all just tempt and tease in a sleazy marketing fashion.
They even SOLD this film to us as a prequel to Alien, when it's nothing of the sort.
It's got a flying doughnut in it, and an elephant headed (Indian God) in a chair, and that's it. Story tellers start weaving nonsense.
Lindelof wrote LOST, and that was garbage.
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spiral
MemberOvomorphJun-03-2012 4:32 AMSome replies to this thread:
Drakeequation: Yes, I loved the film, I think it's one of the best films ever made of the science fiction genre. I love most of Ridley Scott's work. I'm sorry I posted this in the 'Spoilers' forum and it appears you or someone else moved it here. I couldn't find it this morning, so I created another posting (edited and tidied up little) in the spoilers forum again. There are therefore two threads running on this. Interestingly no-one likes my theory in the other thread…! Perhaps the two threads can be merged please? When I looked under my profile and posted articles it said "1" but there was no list of articles - at least I couldn't see it.
db; Yes, those aliens (xenomorphs) only live for a few days, but there are other types of aliens..
red5: I used the term 'alien' loosely, not specifically the xenomorph. Yes, the xenon is vicious and short lived, but in Prometheus we see many other alien forms - the little worms around the pods, the white snakes in the black soup around the Engineer head statue, the squid which comes out of Shaw, the octopus alien which collapses on top of the Engineer at the end of the film. In this film it is revealed to us that there is a whole hierarchy of alien life, with clearly the Engineers are not at the top of that hierarchy.
Xenophobia: well, any lifeform that is able to subjugate the Engineers (who are themselves pretty capable beings), as they have obviously have done are clearly what you might describe as powerful. Perhaps not 'intelligent' in an Einstein kind of way, but powerful and therefore they must possess some kind of tactical intelligence.
I agree with those that think the alien lifeforms could be a biological weapons experiment that went wrong. This is an alternative explanation. Whoever was in charge to begin with, whoever created who, it is clear that the aliens are now in control of the situation, and the Engineers are their subjects.

red5
MemberOvomorphJun-03-2012 9:20 AMspiral: i disagree that the engineers are not on top of the heirachy. just because engineers arent the most ferocious, they are the most intelligent. just put humans in wild africa today and wed probably get eaten by all the wildlife there, but that doesnt mean humans are not on top. given the right circumstances engineers and humans can contain and possibly control all those lifeforms due to our brains

spiral
MemberOvomorphJun-03-2012 10:53 AMred5: ok, so if the engineers are top of the tree and autonomous, how do you explain them seeking to wipe out the humanoid life they seeded on Earth? It just wouldn't make sense for a race to create a whole planetary life system then wipe it out. I don't buy this "experimental, not happy with the results, wipe the slate clean" theory (basically because there is nothing at all in the film to indictate that), and there's nothing else to explain it, other than the true controllers of the situation are the aliens themselves, and to my mind that explanation is very stong and makes perfect sense. I think in Prometheus II we will see the alien homeworld with the Engineers as unambiguous subjects to them - that will be consistent with everything we have here in Prometheus I, including the bas relief where the Engineers are worshiping what looks like a xenomorph.

Obosi
MemberOvomorphJun-03-2012 11:15 AMAs I saw it, the Engineer was pissed off at the android David and that gives rise to the whole 'Prometheus' thing.
Prometheus was the titan who stole the secret of fire from the gods. Maybe the Engineers are pissed because the human race have engineered totally life-like androids and have themselves become engineers of a sort?
Maybe the 'weapon' is indeed a doomsday device to prevent competition?
Maybe the Engineer at the beginning of the film was the film's Prometheus and in drinking that black stuff he gave humanity to earth against orders?
Ah who the fuck knows?! The film was a disapointment and could have been so much better. I personally thing the script let it down.

Timnicebut
MemberOvomorphJun-03-2012 12:46 PMSorry, don't buy the Alien 'superior being' slant although it's interesting angle none the less.
IMO, the Engineers are dominant life form in the Universe (as far as they have let us know) and are are 'engineering' life in various forms in Goldilocks zone planets around the universe - earth being one. I assume these planets are fairly rare and so the need to 'wipe the slate clean' is a necessity (as in all science with new and rare materials/areas) and hence the need for, as David himself explains 'In order to create life we must first destroy' and this I guess is a nod to the Engineers.
I agree with Janek assessment (and others who maybe said) that they (engineers) aren't stupid enough to create biological experiments right on their doorstep and that something had gone wrong (and escaped?).
I'm unsure if the black goo was a life accelerant or decelerant as it disintegrates the first Engineer's DNA on earth (to create life) but alters Holloway's sperm (whilst killing him I suppose) and also seems to change the planet's indigenous worm like creatures? into the snakes (maybe)?!
Indeed, my own take was I thought maybe the worms were indigenous to the planet but accidently managed to become infected with/into the black stuff and then changed into the snakes? which then infected the Engineers to create the first type of xeno alien (maybe the snakes evolved from works as far as they could without 'hosts' but once evolution had jumped to the host part it created a new species (very quickly if Shaw's pregnancy is to be anything to go by) which then became the dinosaur/Xeno-esque alien that was spawned at the very end .....and one of these 2000 years ago had chased the engineers in the holographic scenes at the start of the film? Just my own take, feel free to pull to sheds ;-)
I guess you have five aliens from various sources, the 1st being the Engineers, the 2nd being the worms, the third being the snakes the fourth being the squid (human grown alien) and the 5th being the Engineer gestated alien from the human born squid......christ I'm confused again now!?

Rubirosa
MemberOvomorphJun-03-2012 9:46 PMTo be honest I have not watched the film yet, but I have a few ideas to throw around. I really think that we are dealing with two different types of aliens. One you have the engineers, and two you have beings we now know as the space jockeys. I think that the reason the engineers wear that elephantine type helmet is in honor of there creators. They want to physically look like a space jockey. I have always been of the view that the alien/space jockey sitting in the chair in Alien is an original space jockey, meaning that the space jockeys do have an elephantine facial structure, and are larger then then engineers.the space jockeys created the engineers, and then the engineers created us, and then we created David and his like. That means that we humans are doing the same thing the engineers did to us by giving us life. It sounds crazy but, you never know what's going to happen in the sequal, but I really feel that there is something in front of our faces that we are not picking up here. Like the part were we see the engineers running away from something. Maybe they weren't running away from the Xenos, but there creators the space jockeys.

Crgwal
MemberOvomorphJun-04-2012 4:49 PMWay I see it pre-humans and aliens are equal. The are both enemies of each other and are in some constant battle for life.
The pre-human seeded the earth with human DNA. Earth was very very very far away. Maybe this was them trying to increase there population safely.
I thought Predators created Aliens too?

Crgwal
MemberOvomorphJun-04-2012 4:52 PM@Rubirosa considering you have not seen the movie. sounds like a sense to me.

Pro-metheus
MemberOvomorphJun-06-2012 8:36 PMHere's my take
Theory one:
Tying in with the title name the engineer at the start of the film gives the gift of life to earth against the wishes of the rest of his race.
The rest of the engineers discover this and are so pissed they get ready to wipe out life on earth but everything goes shit shape.
Theory two:
The engineers have a hard-on for aliens (xenomorphs) so they spawn life on distant planets for them to populate and keep like a planet size zoo.
Theory three:
The human race is a project, possibly a bio weapon, or possibly "just because they could", as David says (much the same as the aliens are) and are for some reason have decided they aren't too keen on us anymore.
Theory four: The story has this many loose ends intentionally so that people will need fork out and see Prometheus 2 to make any sense of it.
note: disregard theories 1,2 and 3 -_-

secretsquirrel131
MemberOvomorphAug-12-2012 10:32 AMI think is the worms are in control of the engineers, and black stuff is their versatile and over powering seeding method.

Xombie007
MemberOvomorphSep-13-2012 5:10 AM@Spiral Interesting theory, and you back it up with references that even makes it plausible. BUT, personally, I think you're giving the Alien Xenomorphs way too much credit here. Just think about it... in all of the films that even relate to Aliens, (the Alien movies, the Predator movies, the A v P movies, and now Prometheus) whenever an Alien Xenomorph is portrayed, it is shown as a mindless killing machine and nothing more. The only exception is the one where an Alien was made with part of Sigourney Weaver's character, Ripley's DNA, but even then it was a stupid creature that went on a killing spree 'til it was itself killed.
Also, yes they use humans (and apparently pre-humans/engineers to multiply), the only purpose that they've served so far is to be hunted targets for Predators! So yeah, I very much doubt that they are "in control" or "in charge" of anything.

Xombie007
MemberOvomorphSep-13-2012 4:38 PM@Pro-metheus, you do realize that your theories 1 to 4 are NOT mutually exclusive, right? LOL! It's like if you combine them together, you then get one cohesive complete theory.
@Timnicebut I prefer to think of the black goo that was found in the cargo bay as more of a "mixing compund" that ultimately has the affects of an accelerant, as it not only reconstructs the DNA of the organism(s) that it comes in contact with it (whether it be human OR the worm-like creatures of planet LV 233 that David dragged into the dark goo), but also allows for the re-creation of a more biologically powerful entity (i.e. the Xenomorph Alien) which has combined characteristics of both/all organisms that came in contact with the goo.

Lancebowski
MemberOvomorphOct-13-2012 1:07 PMI see the Engineers as a rogue group; Shaw and David encountering Marshals as they search.
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