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Are Engineers really immortal

Thurston

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Once Weyland becomes aware that the engineers use hypersleep chambers, why would he still assume they are immortal or at least long lived and have some sort of long life secrets that he could use? If you can live forever why waste your immortality in a sleeping chamber? It makes no sense to me.
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TheNextLV426
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I agree. But some will say the engineer hid in the sleep chamber to escape whatever was hunting and chasing them. Why he hid there for 2 thousand is anyone's guess.
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Just add it to the list of things of that don't make sense! lol I think he was hoping they would have some kind of technology or DNA altering device that would undo his ageing.
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@facebugger If only we had known. My wife uses Oil of Olay to undo her ageing. I could have sent some along.
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@gchristnsn ?.... I don't know....perhaps this is all wandering, slightly.... I may not have been clear: I am suggesting to you that there is actually no physical immortality of the Engineers, here? I am saying this because we observe that the Engineers actually are mortal? From that position, I am struggling to understand how you can hold that an, "immortality" - (that does not seem to exist) - can then be the basis for all of this business here you say about the strategies for interstellar expansion and whatnot?.. I don't see how their, "immortailty", can be the basis for anything - because it doesn't seem, to me, that they are actually immortal. [i]"Yes they of course were only physically immortal.."[/i]? But, no. You see, this is what I am suggesting to you - no: it does not seem that they were? As far as I have understood, the Engineers physically and permanently died - and I recall seeing one suffering an actual, physical and permanent death? It seems, to me, that, he who dies in this manner, is, by definition, mortal. I would say it then follows, directly, as a consequence, that he who is mortal, cannot then be [u]im[/u]mortal - as that would be a contradiction: if he were immortal, he wouldn't be dead? As a product of all this, I am suggesting to you that the Engineers cannot have been immortal as, if they were, they'd be alive.
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It could be that the Engineers are Biologically Immortal, and Godlike.
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If they are truly "immortal" then a 2,000-year nap is not really a big deal. They are probably bored to death.
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If they use cryo chambers sleep then they can not be biologically immortal IMHO ...
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Maybe the use them because they wanna skip the 2 thousand year waiting? XD
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I think weyland just thought they had all the answers as they pre dated us and had our DNA - obviously superior by a long way to us! I always imagine engineers as living for thousands of years and elders as millions maybe billions and this god like being mentioned by ridley as the immortal one...
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@rabernathi, Yeah but the point is that this engineer not in a normal standby, after all the rest of his companions are dead, and another motivation is that he must preserve his life to fulfill the mission that so far has been postponed. On the other hand it is possible that they can live for long, but I doubt that they are immortal. I believe that immortality is a term too big for a body that also has a similar DNA to ours. for example if I want to make a trip to the other end of the galaxy, that can take me a long time and I can only live to be 100 years old (or even less than that :p) then it would be more logical to use hyper sleep chambers to not grow old and die before reaching my destination (ok, maybe their ships are very fast but still there is no evidence that they are immortal).
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Posted Jul-24-2012 5:49 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I think weyland just thought they had all the answers as they pre dated us and had our DNA - obviously superior by a long way to us!" The above portion of crabfart's post is the answer to the OP's question. They may or may not be immortal, but hypersleep chambers or no hypersleep chambers, its totally understandable why Weyland would think that they could at least offer (if they were so inclined) some sort of possibility of the extension of human life. I mean, some alien standing before him that presumably created him may not have the answers to his query (or just may not want to give them to him), but its about the best bet a filthy rich megalomaniac has at extending his life. makes sense to me.
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No one remembers the Elder Engineer from the cut scenes at the beginning? Obviously they age, maybe not as fast as we do, but ten bucks says they aren't immortal.
[url=http://www.robocopmovie.net/][img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/NewRoboBanner.jpg[/img][/url] "Is it dead this time?" "I dunno, poke it with this stick and see."
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@joeyjoe Exactly. Weyland would probably have been done with any thoughts that they were immortal the second he got news of all the dried-out stiffs littering the Corpse Stop - and also The Strange Case of the Exploding Pickled Head...but he was already there by that stage, what was he to do, just go home? He may well have thought, "Well one is alive, let's ask him - maybe he has an immortal friend. Or maybe he has a clue about some kind of other thing I can actually use. I blew a trillion dollars on this gig - now I'm awake somebody, somewhere, had better tell me something...[i]anything[/i]..."
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Totally agree Cypher, Why an immortal can age? That makes no sense to me.
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When Shaw blows up the Engineer head, David replies: "Mortal after all." And I'm not sure if Weyland either said he wanted to be immortal or he just wanted more life, which would be a big difference. But anyway I agree, "just add it to the list of things that don't make sense!"
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doesnt make sense?? In the context of a fictional sci-fi movie, weyland's intentions make perfect sense. The film NEVER intimated that the engineers were immortal and NEVER intimated that weyland was literally seeking immortality (not that the megalomaniac inside of him would turn it down should he find it). Weyland was, by any means attainable, seeking to extend his life. Like allinamberclad said...Weyland was already on LV 223. it had become clear that the engineers were likely the creators of humanity and were exponentially more advanced than humans (in every possible way). Sure they were mortal. Doesnt change the fact that it makes complete sense for weyland to think that there might be some chance of these beings being able to somehow extend his life.
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They're definitely immortal as head found in the sanctuary suggests and the reason in the strategy of the spread of the species. Engineers spread biodiversity (which implies existence of technological and non-technological life), people spread themselves (spread of technological life will lead to the exhaust of potentially habitable worlds). So the rational reason to kill Weyland after he asked for immortality is potential exhaust of the habitable worlds made by immortal pragmatic technological beings.
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@gchristnsn [i]"They're definitely immortal as head found in the sanctuary suggests..."[/i]. ..?..... But, how do you get to this place?... The head was [i]dead?[/i] The body to which it belonged was also dead. Even if all the remaining Engineers were still alive, it wouldn't be enough to answer the question that fact alone would raise, but, as it happens, most of them are also in a state of perfect death - and the one who isn't, is being kept alive inside a machine, required to preserve Life. So, the query remains: How, then, can they possibly be described as, "immortal"?
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>How, then, can they possibly be described as, "immortal"? It's possible to say, that it was functionally alive. The engineer's personality may be dead, but the body has not decayed. There may be a false link with the liquid. It may be the reason of the immortality (it's actually impossible to conclude this from the movie facts), but the probability of this is very low, because only immortality and humanism implies such a strategy of expansion, when an immortal being sacrifices himself to create new species (in a contrary, humans, not being immortal, wish to obtain immortality and expand themselves).
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maybe we are immortal - sprit lives on - gah I hated just typing that so impossible to answer...

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