So bad it's good, please explain

Alienpuzzle
MemberOvomorphJune 06, 20121016 Views14 RepliesI thought Prometheus was the So Bad It's Good type of movie. Now someone please explain to me the following inconsistencies:
How come Shaw's baby grew so big so fast; why being in her module Vickers did not see it, why it was so easy for Shaw to use the medi-pod and to enter the installations guarding it; how in the name of heavens she was able to stumble upon Weyland's secret chamber; why nobody looked surprised after finding out Weyland had been on-board all along; how it was so easy to find undamaged David's head and body after a colossal collision; how the head of an Alien who's been dead for thousands of years can be "animated"; how a group of scientists can walk on a ground crawling with alien worms and not notice them; how come a biologist and a geologist don't discuss anything related to their fields, or give any theories, or perform any tests or ground field work. How come in moments of crisis all the ship crew is nowhere to be seen. How come the captain of the ship is able to deduct all by himself all that's going on on LV 223; Why Weyland does not take the rest of the military personnel on his trip to see the Engineer. Where the rest the crew has gone before the collision. Why the android perform his crazy experiment on Holloway, an act with unpredictable consequences which ultimately puts his own existence in danger. Why does the android fails to follow up on his own experiment with Shaw, allowing her to break loose. How come Shaw says "We were so wrong. This place is not what we thought it was. They are not what we thought they were", when at that time she has not idea if the Engineers are good or evil and all the mayhem is caused by the crew stupidity and David's wrongdoing; If David knows so much of the engineers plans, how come he dares to awake the surviving engineer, why does David keep Shaw's crucifix in his utility bag. I will leave the rest for later, I'd never found so many baffling things in just one movie!
June 06, 2012
Welcome to the Alien Universe according to Damon Lindelof.
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"Is it dead this time?" "I dunno, poke it with this stick and see."
June 06, 2012
and I'll give another AMEN from way in the back row
Alienpuzzle I'll give you my interpretation on a couple of your points
Janek deducing what is going on is a way for the story to come right out and tell the audience what is going on. I'm sure a few other crew had thought this also but in order to try and explain (god knows there needed some explanation) what was up with this planet.
I think David infected Holloway because Weyland wanted answers about what the Engineers biological weapons could do. I think David would have ended Holloway before things go to out of control. David also seems to have a dislike to Holloway because of his arrogance.
I agree with you on where is the rest of the crew during the collision. Did Mutant Fife kill everyone else? The whole attack in the hangar should have been longer and more detailed, I'd like to see more than a few scenes go longer and be more in depth.
June 06, 2012
[i]How come Shaw's baby grew so big so fast?[/i]
Who knows what effect the black goo has!
[i]why being in her module Vickers did not see it[/i]
[i]why it was so easy for Shaw to use the medi-pod and to enter the installations guarding it[/i]
It wasnt guarded. She was familiar with it because she recognised what it was at the beginning of the film
[i]how in the name of heavens she was able to stumble upon Weyland's secret chamber[/i]
He wasnt in a secret chamber. Once he was woken up, he was on the ship
[i]why nobody looked surprised after finding out Weyland had been on-board all along[/i]
They knew already
[i]how it was so easy to find undamaged David's head and body after a colossal collision[/i]
Ill give you this one. The crash and lack of damage was a bit suspect. The ship should have broken into pieces
[i]how the head of an Alien who's been dead for thousands of years can be "animated"[/i]
because they plugged it in, turned it off and on again and called tech support? :) They tried to animate the cells in the skin. The explosion was an accident
[i]how a group of scientists can walk on a ground crawling with alien worms and not notice them[/i]
would you be looking for worms on an alien planet with evidence of an alien species that possibly made humanity?
[i]how come a biologist and a geologist don't discuss anything related to their fields, or give any theories, or perform any tests or ground field work.[/i]
They were lost in an Alien pyramid full of dead things and trapped by a storm.
[i]How come in moments of crisis all the ship crew is nowhere to be seen.[/i]
Most of them are dead after the return of the infected crew member who tore them all up and threw them about like rag dolls!
[i]How come the captain of the ship is able to deduct all by himself all that's going on on LV 223[/i]
because it was bloody obvious!
[i]Why Weyland does not take the rest of the military personnel on his trip to see the Engineer[/i]
17 crew members on the ship. quite a few dead, whatever was left went with them into the engineers ship.
[i]Where the rest the crew has gone before the collision[/i]
See above
[i]Why the android perform his crazy experiment on Holloway, an act with unpredictable consequences which ultimately puts his own existence in danger.[/i]
He was told to by Wayland
[i]Why does the android fails to follow up on his own experiment with Shaw, allowing her to break loose.[/i]
Last thing he knew, she was being put into cryo sleep
[i]How come Shaw says "We were so wrong. This place is not what we thought it was. They are not what we thought they were", when at that time she has not idea if the Engineers are good or evil and all the mayhem is caused by the crew stupidity and David's wrongdoing[/i]
Shaw expected to meet a benevolent race of engineers who had started life on earth, not a military base full of weapons of mass destruction
[i]If David knows so much of the engineers plans, how come he dares to awaken the surviving engineer[/i]
Wayland tells him to because Wayland wants to cheat death and thinks the Engineers have that technology
[i]why does David keep Shaw's crucifix in his utility bag.[/i]
I have no idea!
June 06, 2012
When it comes to reanimating the head, that scene is actually rooted in science. Today, we have the technology to store people in 'stasis', but not to reawaken them. Some hospitals around the world have cryogenic freezing systems in their emergency wards for patients who are on the verge of death, and will be frozen with their prior permission in the hope future technology can fix their problems.
Now, that device that is inserted into the head delivers a very small electric charge to the brain to stimulate the nerve pathways and 'reawaken' the brain. This is a device that is in the planning stage today as part of waking up someone in cryostasis - it has also been theorised that this device could be used to keep a comatose patient alive in the event that they succomb to their wounds before they can be resuscitated. If the airways can be reopened and the heartbeat induced, this device will prevent brain damage and memory loss by keeping the brain alive.
And I think Digideus hit the nail on the head with the rest of his answers.
June 06, 2012
@ SaintsSinphony In any case the David's experiment is just nuts: how can you guess what is in any given urn.. they might all contain different stuff inside, with different properties, some of the going-ons in this movie are on par with Plan 9 from outer space!
@Digideus thank you for trying but some of your answers are just as baffling as my questions!!! I mean, not your fault, maybe some of your guesses are what the writers intended the audience to think, and yet those conclusions are utterly preposterous!!!
June 06, 2012
Yes that was one of the plot holes for me.....
The whole why does Weyland and David not seem interested in what Shaw did with her Baby.... major flaw, thankfully the movie is not full of these.
As far as the time, well we do not know how time flows in the movie, what apears to be 30 min in the movie could actually be like 12 hours in the actual plot.
And the Organism was growing at a fast rate, just look how fast it grew while just before she had it removed...
As far as David and Holloway, i am sure Weyland wanted to know what the substance in the Urns actually does and got David to use Holloway as a Guinea Pig.... and at the end of the day Holloway did say he would do anything and everything in the name of science and discovery.
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June 06, 2012
All the characters in this movie are crazy. The only way I can interpret this is: a senile man recruits a bunch of crazy people to go do random stuff on another planet. The only sane character is Vickers, she is indeed the hero in this movie!
June 06, 2012
Better yet, why would a bunch of scientists take their helmet off on a foreign planet on a whim.
The writers' of this film should quit their jobs and go back to school.
June 06, 2012
maybe the crew has SPACE MADNESS that was from a Ren and Stimpy cartoon back in the day
I can help but think some of this crew was chosen for their gullibility. I've thought about the whole "quiet eye" clip with Shaw. Weyland could have hired these people because they are smart enough to get there but not so smart they could see how they were all being manipulated. I think the whole crew gets played by "the Company" once again. Unfortunately we the audience gets played because we aren't told that is what Weyland is doing. This of course is my speculation, I"m sure there are many ideas that could explain these inconsistencies only time will tell.
I'd like Ridley and Lindelof to maybe make a clip in the near future explaining some of these things. They probably won't though and we will speculate for another two years.
June 06, 2012
Anyway, it's a silly but fun ride, you shouldn't try to get too deep into it because the less sense it will make. I really don't see the hand of Lindelof here though. The script has many other problems that go beyond that, I've seen many Lost episodes much better written than this.
June 06, 2012
Digideus....I love your answers.
I think you are right and your explanations so simple and plausible!
June 06, 2012
I can sit here all day too and nit pick about every movie I have ever seen. I can pick out many things in Alien I thought were dumb but I dont because it had many things that were good.
In fact, every movie I have seen has WTF moments in it and just because you dont understand them doesn't mean they are dumb. Watching a movie twice can usually answer many questions remaining from the first viewing.
I dont understand how picky people are complaining about this movie. It has far more to be grateful for than not...by a long shot!
June 06, 2012
How come Shaw's baby grew so big so fast?
*** In every Alien(s) movie the Xeno's grow incredibly fast, so obviously there is some genetic component that allows for this. ***
why being in her module Vickers did not see it
*** Presumably she was in the command area with the Captain and co. ***
why it was so easy for Shaw to use the medi-pod and to enter the installations guarding it
*** What installations guarding it? ***
how in the name of heavens she was able to stumble upon Weyland's secret chamber
He wasnt in a secret chamber. Once he was woken up, he was on the ship
*** Well, yeah he kind of was, otherwise why was David sneaking around in that scene where Vickers sprung him and asked what he'd said and how come no one else interacted with/mentioned/saw him at any stage prior" ***
why nobody looked surprised after finding out Weyland had been on-board all along
They knew already - *** No they didn't, (at least not all of them, just the guards/"physio"), remeber he tells most of the crew in his hologram message that he is dead by now, they have no reason to believe he's in stasis or even with them on the ship... the only ones who definitely know are David and Vickers and his support staff that you see with him in the wheelchair scene. ***
how it was so easy to find undamaged David's head and body after a colossal collision
Ill give you this one. The crash and lack of damage was a bit suspect. The ship should have broken into pieces.
*** Why? We don't know anything about the Engineer/Alien technology or how well built it is to sustain damage, etc.
Anyway, that whole scene is terrible, seriously, how on a planet the size of that does a spaceship manage to land in the perfect spot to (almost) crush both remaining humans? It's implausible. Secondly, who in their right mind runs away from a rolling object, their both scientisits, surely they could work out that you need to run perpendicular or at least horizontally from the direction it is rolling to avoid it. ***
how the head of an Alien who's been dead for thousands of years can be "animated"
because they plugged it in, turned it off and on again and called tech support? They tried to animate the cells in the skin. The explosion was an accident *** This is clearly explained in the scene, they use the electrical impulses to simulate life/stimulate brain activity. ****
how a group of scientists can walk on a ground crawling with alien worms and not notice them
would you be looking for worms on an alien planet with evidence of an alien species that possibly made humanity?
*** Yes, you'd think they'd be a little more cautious/careful being on an unexplored alien planet, but this just leads to the whole stupidity of taking off their helmets, having a biologist who doesn't follow any of the basic laws of science/common sense when dealing with an unknown planet/species, etc. and to add to that, seriously, WTF? They have the Geologist responsible for mapping the place with his 'pups' get lost? WTFx2? Why the hell didn't he call the Captain/Ship, or use his pups to get out, etc. etc. Stupid. ***
how come a biologist and a geologist don't discuss anything related to their fields, or give any theories, or perform any tests or ground field work.
They were lost in an Alien pyramid full of dead things and trapped by a storm. *** I agree with this question, they did nothing that fir with the stated purpose/roles beyond the initial mapping scene with the "pups" ***
How come in moments of crisis all the ship crew is nowhere to be seen.
Most of them are dead after the return of the infected crew member who tore them all up and threw them about like rag dolls!
*** Yeah I agree with this as well, it seemed like extra crew just spawned when needed to be killed off. ***
How come the captain of the ship is able to deduct all by himself all that's going on on LV 223
because it was bloody obvious!
*** Really, was it? We had the full story, he didn't.... also, there was no character development for the "Hero" stance of the Captain and crew, it made absolutely no sense for them to sacrifice themselves for no real obvoius reason. They just beleived whatever Shaw told them, surely Vickers had a better motiviation for the sactificial role since she's the one who predicted things going south, "you're going to die". ***
Why Weyland does not take the rest of the military personnel on his trip to see the Engineer
17 crew members on the ship. quite a few dead, whatever was left went with them into the engineers ship.
**** Just one of many scenes that make little sense, why assume they Engineers are friendly? Why not take any weapons just in case, etc. ***
Where the rest the crew has gone before the collision
See above *** A reasonable question ***
Why the android perform his crazy experiment on Holloway, an act with unpredictable consequences which ultimately puts his own existence in danger.
He was told to by Wayland *** This is an assumption, it's not explicitly stated, and even if Weyland did order it, once he'd seen the results, (if intended) why on earth...sorry, why on LV- would you go and meet the Engineer? It seems like David has a bit of an issue with humans and him being told he does not have a "soul", being insulted by various characters, "hating/wanting to kill his father" etc. it's not made clear why/how an Android develops these 'desires' but it's obvious that he WANTS to be human, or even more than human and accepted as one, you could almost put it down to petty jealously, in most scenes he seems to act contrary to a true "Robot"/Android and more like a child learning/experimenting to see what happens with things. ***
Why does the android fails to follow up on his own experiment with Shaw, allowing her to break loose.
Last thing he knew, she was being put into cryo sleep *** Reasonable answer ***
How come Shaw says "We were so wrong. This place is not what we thought it was. They are not what we thought they were", when at that time she has not idea if the Engineers are good or evil and all the mayhem is caused by the crew stupidity and David's wrongdoing
Shaw expected to meet a benevolent race of engineers who had started life on earth, not a military base full of weapons of mass destruction
*** She's lost her husband/boyfriend, seen others die and been impregnated by another monster, I think she's pretty distraught and wishes they'd never come there by that stage, the cause of her statement is fairly obvious. ***
If David knows so much of the engineers plans, how come he dares to awaken the surviving engineer
Wayland tells him to because Wayland wants to cheat death and thinks the Engineers have that technology
*** Reasonable assumption/answer... although some level of caution should have been portrayed, he is a lot more gung-ho than likely if that were his only agenda.... it also does not explain taking the black goo back and infecting Holloway. ***
why does David keep Shaw's crucifix in his utility bag.
I have no idea!
*** He watched her dreams and sees she has an attachment to it, he's trying to become human/more than human, so he takes her cross to try and hook into/discover/feel what she gets from it, (emotional comfort, link to her father), etc. ***