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Gavin

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To understand the Secrets of the the contents of the urns/ampules we first have to separate them into their component parts... [Edited 02-12-2012] [u]The Seed[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusE_screencap7.jpg[/img] A genetically engineered substance created by the Engineers, it is stored within the vials found within the urns/ampules. This thick, viscous black liquid which was consumed by the Sacrificial Engineer (the Seeding) and unwittingly by Holloway, has three underlining properties: 1. When ingested by an organism (Sacrficial Engineer/Hollway) the "Seed" combines with the cells of the organism, causing the host organism to break down at a cellular level - every cell of their body becoming a viral genetic mutagen, capable of being consumed by other organisms. 2. This viral genetic mutagen, when ingested by other organisms, adds/replaces genes of that organism with those of the host whom consumed the "Seed", imprinting the hosts DNA/Genome onto an indigenous ecosystem. This viral genetic mutagen also acts as an evolutionary accelerant, exponentially mutating organisms with the genetic template/traits from the host (LV-223 worms). 3. The evolutionary accelerant aspect of the mutagen also has the side effect of revitalizing dead/dying cells, seeming resulting in re-animation (Shaws womb/Fifield). [u]The Black Liquid[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap47.jpg[/img] The black slimy liquid stored within the urns/ampules is NOT the same substance that was stored within the vials, and contrary to my original theoryis NOT the genetic material of the Xenomorph. This substance is an inert transmission medium, that when combined with the Seed creates an oil like substance, making weaponized transmission of the Seed more effective. [u]The Urns/Ampules[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusK_screencap31.jpg[/img] The urns/ampules are medium for storing and deploying both the "Seed" and the transmission medium. When triggered/smashed the "Seed" (see above) and the transmission medium mix, creating an oil like substance, that is more viscous than the Seed, and a more effective means of transmission. [u]The Xenomorph[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap49.jpg[/img] As shown by this mural, the xenomorph is of some importance to the Engineers. Lets look at their known history regards the Xenomorph... - Thousands of years ago, an Engineer craft carrying a cargo of Xenomorph was forced to land on the moon/planetoid LV-426 when its lone pilot unwillingly became host to one of its cargo. It may be that this craft had previosly visited LV-223 and acquired a payload of the urns before deploying them onto a distant planet. Then after acquiring the eggs that would have remained after the infestation befell its fate upon its return either to LV-223 or the Engineers home world/system. - 2000 years ago, a team of Engineers stationed on LV-223 prepared to deploy a cargo of urns/ampules to Earth, when one of them inadvertantly unleashed the contents quarantining the base. As seen in the movie, the urns are the viral deployment method used to instigate a Xenomorph infestation. The urns were designed to ensure safe transport and efficient deployment of the Xenomorph. [u]The Dark Truth - Completely Rethought[/u] Taking what we have learnt about the urns/ampules, their contents and the Engineers established history with the xenomorph, and combining that with what we have seen in the Prometheus and Alien movies, leads us towards a dark, disturbing truth... [b]Phase 1 - The Seeding[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus2.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers visit primordial planets supporting basic, simple life, whereupon a lone "Sacrificial Engineer" ingests the "Seed", sacrificed his life and seeding the planet with the seed and his DNA, resulting in an ecosystem entirely dominated by the Xenomorph (This is what we see at the start of the film).[/b] [b]Phase 2 - The Rebirth[/b] [b]An ecosystem dominated by the Xenomorph results in the exhausting of viable hosts. To combat this the Xenomorph at a genetic level introduced Y chromosome into its genome, giving rise to infertile males (smooth carapaced warriors), and then fertile males (Kings).[/b] [b]Upon consummating with Kings, Queens become capable of producing a second type of egg, incubating a sub-species of hosts, pale skinned humanoids - Engineers.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - The Harvest[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/david_earth.jpg[/img] [b]Systematically a percentage of these Engineers are drafted into Engineer society. Seeking a more efficient means of reproducing the Engineers weaponize the Seed, for deployment upon worlds inhabited by Engineer children, sired before the weaponization of the Seed (the method of this siring not yet seen).[/b] [b]The Xenomorph DNA, hidden with "human DNA" asserts itself and spreads across the sired planets, resulting in a Xenomorph dominated ecosystem. Once all viable hosts are exhausted, the King Xenomorph is sired and Engineers are born.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - Collection[/b] [img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/AlienInfestedWorld.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers collect a percentage of Xenomorph (eggs) before transporting them to a location whereby they can be used to produce more Seed (also as yet unseen).[/b] [u]Why Create Only To Destroy[/u] [b]Here's a summary of what we know so far...[/b] [b][/b] [b]- A Sacrificial Engineer sacrifices his life, seeding life upon a primordial world, using his own genetic material. To date we the fans have assumed this action, through natural selection and engineering, resulted in billions of clones/children of the Engineer to evolve, in his image - us.[/b] [b]But The consumption of the Seed by Holloway results in the creation of a Xenomorph in the form of the Deacon, therefore we must assume our initial belief to be false - meaning that the Sacrificial Engineer was not siring a planet of life that would evolve into human form, but instead cultivating a world that would be dominated by the Xenomorph.[/b] [b]- The Urns show that the urns are a means to deploy the Xenomorph amongst human races also sired by Engineers, as shown by the DNA match in the movie.[/b] [b]- The Xenomorph extrapolates genetic material from its hosts, propagating its own kind.[/b] [b]- Once all hosts are exhausted, the Xenomorphs would need a means to continue their existence, otherwise they would die, and only their eggs would remain.[/b] [b]- The Engineers return to gather the eggs.[/b] [b][/b] [b]WHY? Why would the Engineers seed a planet to create millions/billions of clones/children in their image and using their own DNA only to later wipe them out using the Xenomorph? Well I believe I may have the answer...[/b] [b][/b] [b]The Xenomorph, as we know it, is capable of eradicating an entire ecosystem of its indigenous population by using said life forms as hosts to propagate its own species. When gestating inside a host, Xenomorph embryos extrapolate genetic material and traits from their host, to add to their own genome and to adapt to the environment and ecosystem which they have been deployed into. It is this trait of the Xenomorph I believe that holds the key...[/b] [u]Genetic Material[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusO_screencap14.jpg[/img] [b]We, the human race have evolved from and continue to evolve from the Engineers genetic material. Our genetic material, our genome is almost identical to that of the Engineers. This same genetic material is extrapolated by the Xenomorph, a deadly genetic and bio-mechanical creation held in some regard by the Engineers, themselves expertics in genetic and bio-mechanical engineering.[/b] [b][/b] [b][i]To the Engineers the human race are "Maize". Once we have grown to required amount in number and in the required way, we are harvested, and the Xenomorph is the "Harvester".[/i][/b] [b][/b] [b]Our genes/DNA/Genome/genetic material is the "Maize", that is what the Engineers want/need, and the Xenomorph is the means by which to harvest our genetic material. But why?[/b]

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Gavin
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@ Ellen... One problem with that theory of yours is that the Engineer in Prometheus set off to eradicate life on earth using the cargo of "Black Goo" stored on LV-223, which once unleashed would have resulted in a mass infestation of the Xenomorph on Earth.

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@snorkelbottom Maybe the Engineer made an 'ethical' choice: to create a xenomorph free universe one must take out all the elements in the equation (including eventually itself). Aliens stem afterall from an equation in wich humand dna is involved. Besides Prometheus isn't conclusive about the use of Aliens as bio weapons, it emphasizes more the creative nature of Engineers instead of the destructive. Unleashing the BL doesn't create a xenomorph (by that you mean Alien right?) infestation but a hyper evolutionary warfare between different types of altered animals including humans at first. Xenomorphs will eventually rise though, and what not. You could be right though, but i find the bio-weapon theory very human minded lol and a little shortsighted considered the possibilities of the BL. But that's just me
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I never mentioned anything about bio-weapons

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Was Holloway having a like reaction to the black goo as the engineer at the beginning did but much slower do to genetic adaptation to earths invironment and being a product of the black goo? He didn't live long enough to birth any life form but was looking like the engineer did at the beginning of the movie after consumption.
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The Xenomorph was meant to be unleashed upon us 2000 years ago. Back then we wouldn't stand a chance, now I'd say we'd have a small chance.

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What's to say they had a motive? Holloway "because we can." But let's just say that we are created from them with an almost perfect match DNA wise. We would generally think like them right? And if this were the case, as noted in a previous post I read, wouldn't they be free thinkers as well? Each an individual with a common goal. Then if the particular engineers we encounter in Prometheus may have an alternate agenda than the group that created life on earth. That being said it could be believable that wiping out the threat, us, would be a wise choice. But as far as the xenos go... what would you do if you had the ability to play god? You would play, no? Maybe humanity was just another test subject for the new toy the engineers had created. They knew they couldn't give us too much time to grow and expand because they know we were like them and if you created a race based from your genetics you would probably be cautious with it as well. You know what humans are capable of. So the xenos the new toy, humans as a threat....let's make the best of the situation and run a lab on earth to see what the results are. Record data, improved technology.
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In the movie the engineers show same emotional responses as humans. I can't blame the one that was woken up for reacting the way he did. You wake up in stasis shock still a bit woosy from your 2000yr nap and see a bunch of beings that look like you and they make their android speak to you in your language . Once the brain warmed up he was prolly like "oh shit, its the earthling things I was supposed to take care of and they are here and they have an android!!! Dammit Joe why did you have to spill the black goo and mess this up. Gunna beat these rats down and go take care of earth." Sorry to say but I don't think the engineers are all hippies trying to spread life. Pretty sure we were the lab rat that they fed the super pill to and forgot in the basement
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Hi all. my take on the black goo is that its derived from the xenomorph which is a multi billion year old organism that is a nearly perfect parasitic killing machine. That is why certain engineers and predators almost worship it hence the murals and religious overtones. The engineers were experimenting with the black goo and possibly it could be altered to do different things like create life as we know it or it can be used to create monsters. Remeber that wayland corp is after the alien to exploit it for weapons different alloys and polymers medicine etc. I believe they are taking us to a dark place with these films. Basically the universe is filled with crazy beings that manipulate their physical environment for survival purposes and we are just part of the crazy shit that goes on. basically we live in hell and are part of a huge freakishly alien agenda. Imagine they are merging the universes of alien predator and prometheus as well as avp. which is what i think is happening. i think it all happens in one universe. Humans were just another experiment that had to be suppressed because we have huge potential we have the dna of the engineers. Its survival of the most intelligent ruthless fittest species in the cosmos. Thats why we will prob never meet good aliens lol because look how fucked up our species is. As above so below. Thanks any thought you guys?
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Personaly I think you need to drop the xeno thought from this movie. It makes no sense with the movie. The black goo kills, the Engineers wanted to kill humans so all they had to do was drop the canisters in water supply and bam were all dead. How does it make sense at all to kill a population by....dropping eggs, eggs kill the host, alien pops out kills/gathers more for eggs. If they mastered instersteller travel I think they have better ways of wiping out populations. The end scene was just to show that they created teh alien and thats it. IT wont be revisited again. There are too many religious connections in the movie and I think the sequal will explore that. But Scott said himself he doesnt want to make another alien movie and the alien is no longer scary. Its a movie about engineers not aliens.
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@Rusmold, i was thinking the same as an alternative to my view. The black liquid has to have a certain origin, and the point you're making is plausible. Either way, i really hope this story develops in something more than some kind of religious derivative (with or without xeno's). That would truly suck.
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Actually, I think that killing off humans with xenos has some credit (though it's not my favorite stance), since xenos don't actually have a very long life span. The Engineers wouldn't actually have to directly confront them... just wait for them to die out.
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I think that killing off humans with xenos has some credit (though it's not my favorite stance), since xenos don't have a very long life span. The Engineers wouldn't actually have to directly confront them... just wait for them to die out.
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The movie is based heavily on "Ancient Alien Theory". Not that I believe in it, but in the TV series "Ancient Aliens" the "experts" follow this recurring theme of a balance between good and evil in the universe. Stating that some aliens are nice and other are not so nice. IMO the black goo is neither a weapon or a beneficial technology. I think it's a metaphore for saying the technology is neither good or evil but it's use is what makes it seem as such. With the Engineer's being at least 3 billion years older, even if they were created by a superior race even to themselvs, it would be silly to think an underevloved species like ourselvs could understand their thought process or motives for their actions. As of now in the minds of the engineers we're and experiment either gone wrong and they need to decontaminate our planet. Or, we're on the brink of evolution. That evolution may not make us look like them, although it may based on the engineer using his DNA to kick start life but that planet may not be earth, but it could make us as smart. Humanity evolving to an intelligence equal to it's creators may be a very scary thought to our intergallactic "parents". A scenario so scary they will do anything to stop it. On the other hand, if that ship was to set out 2000 years ago to destroy earth, and an accident occoured, maybe they decided to scratch the whole wipe out an entire planet thing. Instead opting to do as "Ancient Alien Theory" states and intervening to point us back in the right direction. The destruction of the Engineer's base could have come at the hands of a benevolent faction of engineers with a different agenda that hopes for humanity to one day "come of age" and take our place with our "parents" among the stars. In essence the black goo is only what the user decides to do with it, and since we're relatively still stupid as a species, it treats us as it does other unintelligent lifeand turns us into monsters like it did with the worms.
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When are Mulder and Scully going to show up? Black goo/oil, alien ships, ancient texts, monsters... Like X-Files, Scott is digging himself a mythology hole deeper and deeper... (sounds like LOST, too). Not sure he is going to be able to get himself out (and still make sense). (p.s. Can some explain what happened in X-Files and LOST? I eventually gave up following up on the increasingly confusing and crisscrossing plots...)
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my theory, the xeno a is naturally occurring species which is very useful for their biotech. think of spidersilk, or how we are considering using other creatures to grow replacement organs. (&Remember modern human tech is built on millions of years of algae energy stored in fossil fuel) the engineers developped a sacrificial culture around the xeno. they engineered humans as dumbed down version of themselves as xeno-hosts. they want a planet full of xenos to harvest. the oil drunk at the start is NOT the same as in the urns as the OP suggests. This is just bio-sourcecode, just like DVD's or hard-drives, could carry special purpose programs for many purposes. the snakes we see were deliberately engineered, NOT mutated worms,[b] see the "eye scene" - the oil makes those worms grow in other organisms[/b] - as a sort of chestburster/facehugger hybrid to accelerate the 'takeover' of a planet- like a larvae stuck as adult, but the xeno 'reverted' in the lifecycle we saw. it might be that they had created a dual lifecycle (as we saw..) to get some optimal mix of rapid takeover and xenos in the second gen. (some sort of statistical modeling would get the ratio right.. so they have a pacified planet to harvets.. not a swarming hive)
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Engineers creat us without the inention of returning to wipe us out. However we disappoint them--crucify their emissary, have petty aims, do not seek to better our fellow man--etc...the then plan to wipe us out or evolve us into something else in anger...something goes wrong and ost are killed at the site of departure. I do not believe the initial plan is to seed earth with xenos--rather that is a byproduct of our dispointing our creator--analgous to the flood in Noahs time... AS for the goo -reanimating--I believe we also see that in the enigineer's decapitated head, although it is too far along to be sustained...hence the explosion
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[b] Human's are tough survivors especially on planet Earth our home turf. [/b] Now we are. but 2000 years ago (which is when they were supposed to of decided to come to earth and destroy us) we were not. Maybe they realized that our technology back then would of been easily defeated by the xenos?...just a thought
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[b]Why would the Engineers want to create a world full of deadly Xeno Organisms...?[/b] Ash: "You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? a perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. ... I admire its purity: A survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality." the Xenos are "God" the engineers are slaves sent out to seed the galaxy/universe with hosts for the "Gods" to propagate. why would a supposed superior race, the engineers, seed the earth or any other planet and wait 4 million years (give or take) to harvest a weapon? the longer a seeded species has to evolve and gain knowledge/intelligence, the better the result will be for parasitic organism.
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My theory is as follows... We see the stuff in the Urns mutate the DNA of who ever it comes into contact with and most may take on Xeno DNA.... (2 other Fifield concepts showed him to carry more Xeno DNA than just swollen head mutant). We never get to see the end product of Holloway but some said his infection was similar to that of the Sacrificial Engineer so maybe Holloways DNA was being broken down, just at slower rate because he consumed Orally a lot less of the substance than the Sacrificial Engineer. But we still never saw the end product so we can not see if Holloway was breaking down or if he was changing into a mutant and thus totally different to what happened with the Sacrificial Engineer. So my theory is that the Urns does not contain the same substance that the Sacrificial Engineer had taken. I believe that the Engineers either came across the Xeno or Created it, but it as a Organism/Bio Weapon that was hard to control and contain. Trying to store and contain a Cargo of Xeno Eggs is not easy. So i believe the Engineers used the same process the Sacrifice Engineer did to break his DNA down into basic Building Blocks, to then break down Xeno DNA and store the broken down Xeno Building Blocks mixed with the Black Stuff into the Urns. The reason.... as having Urns with the Building Blocks containing Xeno DNA was a much better and safer way of containing and storing the Xeno Bio-Weapon. It also meant it had a much easier way to deploy the Weapon. Ok the Urns started to Ouze the Black Liquid when the crew contaminated the room, but that was after they taken off their helmets..... This is what i think the Space Jockey suits was for, they was not made to they can breath in the atmosphere as the Engineer that left the crashed Juggernaut managed to potentially get from his ship to the lifeboat without the Space Jockey suit. I thus think the Suit is what they wear so they do not contaminate the climate in the room that stored the Urns. Maybe as the Alien Eggs had that Blue Myst Barrier that once broken activated the Eggs... Maybe the purpose of the Urns is that when a living life form breaths near them they change the air so as that it then activates the Liquid inside and thus activates the Bio Weapon. Thats just my hunch that would explain some loop holes regarding certain aspects of the movie....

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I'm not sure if anyone has yet mentioned this 'secret' of the black liquid or not... Its active ingredient is subatomic! How do I know this? Well, the opening section 'shows' the Engineer's DNA being broken down prior to its dispersal into the water. Of course, in the real world, it is not possible to see DNA like that (even with the most powerful microscope) because the individual atoms and bonds are way too small to be resolved by visible light. So it's a visual metaphor, and quite a pretty one at that. At the same time, this metaphor clearly shows black stuff creeping along the DNA strand and doing its business. Much smaller than the atoms in the DNA themselves. For the metaphor to be correct, the active ingredient would need to based on some completely unknown physics, since your regular subatomic particles like protons or neutrons would not be up to the job. But that's OK. We're dealing with alien technology here, and maybe they know a bit more about nature than we do. Did the Engineers make this liquid or did they find it as a 'gift' from their god I wonder.
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