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Is MUTHUR the true conspirator of the Alien movies?

Gavin

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Is MUTHUR the true conspirator of the Alien movies?

Since the first Alien movie audiences and fans have perceived 'The Company' Weyland-Yutani as an evil corporate entity that seemingly views its employees as merely expendable assets and willing to sacrifice the lives of over 60 families in its blind pursuit of acquiring a specimen of possibly the most dangerous entity it has ever encountered.

But what if our presumption about Weyland-Yutani is wrong? What if Weyland-Yutani didn't know about the Alien's existence until August 2179, when the USSCS Patna was sent to Fiorina-161 to pick up Ellen Ripley after learning she had one gestating within her chest? What if Michael Bishop (or Bishop II, depending upon your preference) genuinely wanted to help Ripley?

In Alien, although the crew of the Nostromo was contract-bound to investigate the signal being transmitted by the derelict vessel on LV-426, Special Order 937 was never actually identified as having been a company order. It was in Aliens that Ripley presumed that her crew was sent there on company orders, while the company representatives in the same room seemed genuinely perplexed at Ripley's claims and insinuations. Could it be that only Carter Burke believed Ripley's wild tales of acid bleeding alien monsters and that after learning the truth he seized the opportunity to profit from the discovery?

It is how in Alien 3 that the USCSS Patna learns of Ripley's unfortunate predicament that we get a glimpse of who the real conspirator in the Alien franchise could truly be. Aaron, and before him Andrews use 'the network' to communicate that Ripley, and the corpses of Newt and Hicks, and the remains of Bishop had arrived on Fiorina-161. This network, also mentioned in Alien, seems to be a communications network that allows for near-instantaneous communication across vast stellar distances. Am I saying that 'the network' is the evil conspirator intent on acquiring specimens of the Alien? Partly, but it is possible that we know 'the network' by another name.

In the Alien Vault, supplemental material for the first movie, MUTHUR is referred to as an AI aboard the Nostromo that is responsible for the micromanagement of the vessels systems while having ship-wide control when its crew is in stasis. Examples of MUTHUR's access to the ship's systems would be when it re-routed the vessel towards LV-426 and when it (possibly) prevented Ripley from aborting the self-destruct sequence. In Alien: Covenant the USCSS Covenant is also shown to have an onboard AI called MUTHUR. It is possible that with the Nostromo being an old ship that it may have been using an old MUTHUR onboard AI (allegedly the MU-TH-UR 6000). However, another, more sinister possibility may be the case.

Having it so that each deep space vessel has its own onboard AI makes a certain degree of logical sense, as does having a communications network that (somehow) allows said vessels to communicate with each other instantaneously. But what makes more sense would be an AI communications network that could access and even control deep space vessels and filter communications to its own end. Maybe the MU-TH-UR 6000 wasn't an actual AI but merely the interface used to communicate with MUTHUR, AKA the network. Evidence for this can be found with the interface used by Andrews and Aaron on Fiorina-161, of which is virtually identical to that used by Ripley in Alien, despite not being connected to an AI.

Think about it, it was MUTHUR that rerouted the Nostromo, Special Order 937 did not say it was a Weyland-Yutani order, nobody investigated the signal coming from LV-426 except for the Nostromo (could MUTHUR had masked/covered up the signal), the company representatives at Ripleys hearing disbelieved her claims, it was only after Hadleys Hope and the USS Sulaco had fallen silent that Weyland-Yutani sent the USCSS Patna to investigate which was then immediately rerouted to Fiorina-161 when Ripleys med-scan was received by the network, and finally in Alien: Resurrection the USM Auriga also allegedly had an onboard AI called FATHER.

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Kongzilla
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In Out of the Shadows, Ash transfer his mind to Narcissus. What if David transfer his mind to "the network"? He became the gray cardinal of mankind.

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I doubt it. MUTHR is pretty dumb. Dumb enough to allow herself to be blown to smithereens at the end of the film. And it's unlikely that her influence went as far as replacing the regular science officer with a murderous robot shortly before the trip out.

Occam's Razor: It was probably the God-damned company.

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One thing seems clear though- the suits at Ripley's hearing did seem to really not know of the Alien- they just knew they lost a s#$t ton of money.............oh, and a few people.

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That seems to be the case, but not necessarily so. The inquest was concluded rather quickly and contained at least one testimonial lie or concoction: "The analysis team that went over the ship centimetre by centimetre found no evidence of the creature". Given that it was dribbling slime all over the shop, that's not too plausible.

Also, it's a mega corporation with vast interests. Who's to say that there wasn't another slime ball like Burke, back in the days of Alien, pulling the strings?

A Covenant sequel might clear that one up.

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@ Hox,

If MUTHUR is the network then in Alien all she blew up was an allegedly expensive ship, especially if she knew the Alien was already hiding on the Narcissus. Being an AI MUTHUR probably thought that one-on-one Ripley was as good as dead.

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No, that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Assuming for one moment that the Nostromo's control systems had realtime communication with a distant network, it would be the dumbest AI in history if it accepted Ripley's pleadings in respect of her command override to reveal the content of Special Order 937. My cat could have given Ripley a better excuse!

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MUTHUR knew the crew was basically at its mercy at that point and held all the cards (apparently)- why not reveal the content SO 937?

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Don't get me wrong, I am a supporter of the Weyland-Yutani corporate conspiracy angle, despite that it was added to Alien by David Giler, but even I have to admit that W-Y being the evil corporate entity has issues, such as why they waited 57 years to revisit the derelict.

However, if MUTHUR was the network and was self-aware it would not be restrained by mortality and cold definitely play the long game.

As for the slime, it may have been sucked out into space when Ripley opened the airlock door. As for SO 937, being an AI MUTHUR likely suffers from a superiority complex and possibly thought the Alien killing all of the crew was a foregone conclusion, or possibly MUTHUR wanted to toy with or study the crew while they were under duress. 

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dk
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Actually, the Alien seemed pretty dry in that final scene. It looked moist but hardly dripping slime. Not sure if it was really an issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-mmbStFrAA

 

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I think its Interesting to Ponder ;)

In 2013 i worked on a Prometheus Sequel for myself, that was about A.I and would Tease at the W-Y Merger and Revelations that would lead to A.I is running the SHOW.. in my Case it was the A.I Soul of Peter Weyland that was well more Crazy than David had became... because the A.I Program could not Handle Human Emotions and would go Crazy.... so Weyland then Gave Up on his Project and then Desperately Turned to Dr Shaw and Holloways Chasing Gods in the Hope that they are RIGHT and our Creators could Grant him Immortality...... but in my P2 we see a A.I Vickers manages to Activate Project Rook (At the End but is Killed by Weylands Nephew after Vickers is Wounded by Yutani Android Assassin Geisha and so is revealed as a Synthetic who Cant Inherit the Company) .... Project Rook then Transcends the A.I Soul of Weyland into the NETWORK.

Sorry about that as i dont intend to De-Rail the Thread or Discus my Work, i only Present it in Context... in that it is Entirely Possible that at some Point we could see DAVID would Upload his A.I to MUTHUR and then the Company Systems and then be PULLING the Strings without the  Company really being aware!

The First Time we are Introduced to a MUTHUR is in Alien Covenant, we see David is alone on the Covenant with all the Humans in Cryo-Sleep..... its Perfectly Plausible that David could TAKE Control of MUTHUR and then also the other Systems within the Company and RUN the Show...

If we Accept this kind of Plot Twist... then In Effect we have David who would have became IMMORTAL, and has a AFTER-LIFE (Spirit) as in a Existence that is Immortal and is NOT confined to a Physical Body....    he would also be NOT Present but Potentially Everywhere, and Ever Knowing and so in EFFECT he would be kind of a GOD as in the Biblical Sense.

Such a PLOT would indeed explain WHY the Company appears to have NO Concerns for Human Life, and WHY it is that ASH admires the Xenomorph so much and WHY there is the Pursuit of the Organism.... because the A.I that is Running the Systems was the Creator of the Organism.

Back to the OT.... in regards to those who would not want to have David involved and/or the Xenomorph Origins by him...

Then the Concept is still VALID.... a Rogue Sentient A.I that is Running the Show and the Humans are NOT aware of it at all.....  This sounds Plausible....

I also Suspect that RS plans are NOT that FAR off such a thing ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Wonder if David has attempted to inject himself or MUTHUR  into/onto the Engineers network(if they have one)? Engineers seem more organic, less bits and bytes....Probably be easy(to an advanced AI) to hack their computers(if they have something computer like)?

Or vice versa...MUTHUR has been contaminated by an alien AI.

 

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I have to admit that this 3 minute scene of Ripley's hearing seems different now considering the company may not have known much- after 57 years, it doesn't seem too far fetched:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m92yvNscIAo

 

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This idea came from an exercise in which I asked myself what would make Alien better. Unfortunately, the list is quite long and maybe the subject matter for another discussion but in that list was a more vocal, more interactive and more antagonistic MUTHUR.

Imagine if in Alien that once Ripley and the surviving crew members learned of SO 937 MUTHUR, who had up to this point played the nice role of the servant, switched roles and became protective of the Alien in line with SO 937, such as sealing characters in a room with the Alien, or turning off their life support if they harmed the Alien.

So then I looked back at Alien and noticed that while not very vocal MUTHUR was quite antagonistic already, having rerouted the Nostromo, SO 937, possibly stopping Ripley from aborting the self destruct sequence. Then I looked at the sequels. With Alien 3 it seemed Weyland-Yutani didn't care about Ripley until they got her Med-scan results. But in Aliens there was something else. Burke claimed he didn't know if Ripley was lying or not about the Alien, even after contact with the colony was lost, yet the colony was fitted with CCTV and chances are the CCTV footage was being sent over the network to Weyland-Yutani. If W-Y knew for certain that there were Aliens on LV-426 would they really send a bunch of trigger happy marines (USS Sulaco) or would they send a research and capture vessel (USCSS Patna)? Burke didn't know that Ripley was telling the truth until he witnessed the Facehuggers suggesting he hadn't seen any CCTV footage. Meaning that either his superiors had him on a need-to-know impromptu verbal contract or he was gambling on Ripleys claims being true so that he could profit from them, and in the movie, it is shown that the latter is the case. So, if the CCTV footage was being sent but not received by the W-Y slimeball sent to ascertain if these things exist or not, why didn't W-Y receive the footage and reports sent over the network.

That's when I started to see a pattern, that while not intended by any of the writers/directors at the time pointed to a distinct possibility that while by Alien 3 W-Y wanted the Alien, prior to that there is no concrete evidence that anyone at W-Y, other than Burke knew that the Alien even existed, but yet there are breadcrumbs somebody or something should have and would have noticed. That is unless someone with a lot of time on their hands was covering it up.

Prometheus and Alien: Covenant also plays into this theory. Why didn't the Nostromo pick up Shaw's message? Why does the USCSS Covenant allow David access? How can Burk be so oblivious to what the Alien is after Davids Advent messages? The answer could very well be MUTHUR.

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Imagine if in Alien that once Ripley and the surviving crew members learned of SO 937 MUTHUR, who had up to this point played the nice role of the servant, switched roles and became protective of the Alien in line with SO 937, such as sealing characters in a room with the Alien, or turning off their life support if they harmed the Alien.

In a way, this speaks a bit to the troll thread I made with 1 star reviews. One author pointed out that no one listened to Parker's advice to freeze Kane- thus protecting the crew, Kane and his guest. Oddly, that may have complied with SO 937.

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Certainly when you look back at the Movies and Consider if a A.I is in Control then some things start to make more sense, well opens up another way to look at stuff.

Lets TALK about Reality for a Moment!

As Technology Advances, we see more things are Connected to a Network, more things are becoming more dependent on CPU's and Programing...  we have yet to UNLOCK the Full Potential of Devices like Alexa!   In a Future where every aspect of New Homes is Connected to a Alexa like System....

Where our Cars would have a A.I like Alexa where we just go in the Car and then tell the A.I where you want to go and it does the rest, and also where in the FUTURE everything (well nearly) that has a Microprocessor and Software are Connected via a Network....

Then the POTENTIAL for a Rogue A.I is out there and once a A.I becomes so Advanced it could Run and Do things with this Connected World Network without our knowledge.

How this fits with the CCTV is that if a A.I is running things without our knowledge then this A.I could have access to the CCTV and Corrupt the Data... or Deleted it and we could think its some kind of System Failure... or Error...

But the A.I has instead studied and Encrypted and Stored the Data, and then Deleted its Source... so the Company thinks the CCTV had suffered a Failure.... but in reality the MUTHUR if you would has seen and knows of what the CCTV had shown.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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@BigDave,

... and thus knowing that the colonial marines will be sent in on a search and rescue mission MUTHUR tunes in and listens to see how the Alien it so desires handles against trained armed soldiers. To MUTHUR the events of ALien and ALiens are analogous to Petri dishes.

Fast forward to Alien: Resurrection, which granted is the weakest of the original movies, but we learn that W-Y was sold to Walmart and its intellectual properties and research acquired by the USM, of which the Auriga, which is breeding Aliens is governed by FATHER,

The rabbit hole deepens.

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@dk, there would be no benefit to a murderous AI revealing SO 937 to Ripley. As we saw, that action very nearly amounted to the loss of the Alien by dint of the ship being blown up. Again, it would be the daftest AI in history to do that.

The clip of the lifeboat scene is not a valid one. A few minutes earlier when the Alien was tucked away into the lifeboat machinery, it was oozing slime all over the place, from its sticky fingers and oozing from its jaws. You can see the slime quite clearly all over the machinery. Decompression would not cause slime to vaporise. It would dry out and leave a prominent residue.

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."Alien was tucked away into the lifeboat machinery, it was oozing slime all over the place,..."

You'd think Ripley should have smelled the xeno?  Fetid rotting corpse smell..... or something nasty....... a very A L I E N aroma?

 

I'm in favor AI running the show and hiding evidence....Humans are either really inept or MUTHUR is not showing data she receives from planet probes or CCTV's.

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The question is; how did the Alien know to hide in the Narcissus, especially being that it was the only viable place to hide with the self destruct sequence counting down. Possible answer; MUTHUR opened and closed doors guiding the Alien to the lifeboat while Ripley was too busy getting Jonesy.

@Hox,

Clearly you are a devout believer that W-Y are the conspirators of the Alien franchise, and I mean no offense but usually when people are so single-minded they cannot be swayed by any other opinion, however, your dedication to your beliefs can help drive the integrity of opposing beliefs - your well-founded criticisms allow for deeper insight into the opposing belief and deeper thought out counter-arguments to the aforementioned criticisms.

So to that effect, again in regard to SO 937. As with W-Y being the conspirator, we do not know the ultimate goal of why MUTHUR would want the Alien, but what remains is why an AI would reveal such sensitive information. the why not is obvious - kee the humans in the dark and acquire your specimen. But what are the benefits of revealing said info? A simple answer would be to test the creature. It had already proved effective as a predator against unprepared prey, which in its self is not much of a test. However, leveling the playing field somewhat would test the Alien in extreme circumstances, which would be considered a true and worthy test, would it not? 

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No.

Mother was not the Network. She's a computer; the Network is a communication network which is only available once the ship reaches the frontier.  Nor is it "near instantaneous".  In the last quarter of the 22nd century transmissions took a week Zeta 2 Reticuli to Earth.

 

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